For sure and Bayern won't be the last IMO. Bar City and Chelsea, I can see all the other big clubs breaking their bank for a top player.
Antoine Griezmann
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Can't see Bayern getting him. It'll be us, no other club makes sense.
Yes, Griezmann is clinical and can score a crucial goal but players like Hazard and Neymar can dominate the ball, take on defenders and make themselves the focus of the defence andeven their team mates. Good movements of the ball does not have the same effect, which is why you cant say Griezmann can also grab the game by the scruff of the neck"
To play Griezman and Pogba together, the best formation I would think is a 3-4-3 where you have a more creative AM opposite Griezmann and both behind the CF. One can think of a spurs team, with Griezmann as Alli, a player like Bernardo Silva as Eriksen, and Pogba replacing Dembele.
Both Bayern and Juve make more sense than us.
There is clear role for him to drop into in both squads, domestic success is practically guaranteed, deep CL appearances along with a good chance to win it are better, the style of play and pace in those leagues will also suit him better and he will likely be the biggest star in those teams. Italy also has better weather.
The only advantage we possibly can offer is more marketing and visibility. Any of the top clubs can potentially come close, if not match, the others in wages.
Don't really think it's that clear where he just drops into Juventus starting lineup. Bayern maybe a little more but it's far clearer to see him in our team than either of theirs.
Juve doesn't make any sense. They don't need him at all.
What would Bayern do with Muller if they bought Griezmann? Both play similar roles
I suppose so. Muller and Dybala are like Griezmann. Second strikers.
At Juve, he replaces Mandzukic, who is an older traditional CF being forced to play on the flanks to remain in the starting lineup.
At united, he would face more competition for a place than at Bayern or Juve, we dont really play with an SS and our team is still in development while Juve and Bayern are stabilized
They can sit him on the bench. Griezmann would replace either of Muller, Robben or Ribery in the starting line-up.
From who exactly?
Fellaini.
Juve makes zero sense. They would only spend it if they sold Dybala, but since that wont happen, Griezmann would also not go there anyway.
If he moves, it can only be to the PL or Bayern.
If he moves, it can only be to the PL or Bayern.
They'd be daft to sell Dybala. He's younger and has comparable potential to Griezmann.
Juve got Dybala, Higuain and Cuadrado at the attack if they need a fluent one, , Manddzukic is used when they need more of defensive role due to his physical build.
They don't need Griezmann and they won't play him with Dybala on the same pitch.
Juve and Bayern are definitely more stable but I don't see them signing him. Griezmann can work as hard as Mandzukic but he doesn't have the same physicality and I can't see why Juventus would pay 90 million to play him out of position for most games. Muller would be the direct replacement and he's had a poor year but I'd be surprised if they're willing to break their record fee by more than double without giving him another season, and Griezmann's nothing like Robbery so I can't see him replacing either of them.
Rashford, Mkhi, Mata and Martial
Juve base formation is 4-2-3-1 with Mandzukic, Dybala and Cuadrado playing behind Higuain (defnce is Sandro, Chiellini, Bonucci and Alves, while Pjanic and Khedira arte the dual pivots)
Mandzukic is almost a guaranteed starter, having started less games than only Khedira and Higuain. Cuadrado on the other hand has only started 26 games and is often dropped when they play a back 3 (in 3-4-3 or 3-5-2)
For more details see http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/04/06/analysis-juventus-in-a-4-2-3-1/
Mandzukic is physical but his physicality is lost on the flanks, while he is going to be 31yrs old this month.
If Juve dont win the CL this time, they will definitely be looking to add more quality to the squad, and Mandzukic is prime candidate for replacement.
I agree that Bayern is less likely as they have always seem to be the frugal type, but then €40m euros for Javi Martinez and €35m for Sanches are not far off if taken in context. I wasnt suggesting a like for like replacement but that the 'Robbery' dual threat has aged, and need to replaced. Like Juve, I think their losses to Madrid in recent season swill be driving their pursuit of upgrades this summer
I wouldn't necessarily say that. He's a great outlet because he wins most aerial dues against the RB he's up against, which can't be said for Griezmann. I just can't see Juve paying close to a world record fee for someone who can do a job there, but nothing more.
If Bayern's looking for replacements for Robbery than Sanchez would be a much better direct replacement, and would probably cost significantly less as Arsenal would rather he leave to Bayern than to a league rival. As I said in the beginning, Griezmann would double their record fee and it's not even clear what position he would take, that would be very unlike Bayern.
The quality Griezmann has that United need is putting the ball in the back of the net. Obviously, Messi and Ronaldo are just incredible but United need Griezmann's qualities more than Hazard, Neymar or Robben.
Ibra and Griezmann are almost the perfect partnership. The injury to Ibra may throw a huge spanner in the summer transfer plans. In addition to Griezmann and more midfield quality they now also need a striker. Number 9s good enough to play for United don't come cheap.
I didn'nt say which is their main formation but I said they have what they want when then want to play with more fluent attack they can land Dybala, Higuain and Cuadrado. Mandzukic is used due to his defensive abilities on the flank due to his physical build, something Griezmann won't be able to do as efficently as Mandzuikic and putting both Griezmann and Dybala on the pitch will disturb their defensive system, which Mandzukic supports when they need it.
Mandzukic is not playing on the flank cos they need his physicality there but rather Allegri made it clear that it was the only way for him to be a regular starter. Many felt Mandzukic would leave rather than be behind Pipita in the pecking order but surprisingly he accepted the new role and has actually adapted well.
What Mandzukic does now, Griezmann can do better as he is much faster and better defensively. Griezmann would be an upgrade on Mandzukic in practically all facet of the game and he will make Juve more dynamic.
I see Mandzukic as a tactical part of their defensive system that probably no other player in their squad can do it as him due to his physical build and defensive attributes which I don't think Griezmann will do it exactly as him.
Griezmann will change the style of play Juve is playing with and won't be as defensively minded as Mandzukic on the flanks. Yes he can back track and do the defensive role any wing will do but his style of play in the attacking side will be different from what is Mandzukic offering and will force Allegri to change his plan a bit. You can't waste Griezmann in too much defensive role but you can do it with players like Mandzukic. They are both very different players with different tactical attributes I can't see anyone of them replacing the other.
Landing both Dybala and Griezmann on the field with Higuain will be heavily offensive minded which doesn't suit Allegri system IMO.
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I think you are worrying too much about Mkhi who hasn't done much to justify that importance yet. A 3-5-2/3-4-3 is the best system to get the best out of Pogba and Griezmann because it gives you three in midfield and two up front which would be a handful for opposing defences. Mkhi can play in place of Herrera/Pogba as the third CM against bottom teams. The central idea should always be to have a clinical finisher at the end of Pogba's fantastic passes and having numbers in midfield to allow Pogba the freedom to do his thing.
However for that to work we need to sign Griezmann, a DM, a ball playing CB and an offensive LWB.
Like where though? I don't see where he'd fit, especially at Bayern who have Muller.
What I really meant in terms of making sense though was that we are surely the likely only side willing to pay his clause. Madrid probably would but the deal can't happen as he's already said. Bayern don't spend that money on anyone, Juve didn't until Higuain but it's likely they'd need more Pogcash to do so again.
City and PSG might to be fair but I don't see him joining them over us.
I was pretty impressed with Dybala last few games in the Champions league. They both seem to play similar roles from the brief amount I've seen Dybala play. Probably Griezmann has a higher ceiling due to his better goalscoring ratio.
The weather in Turin is a bit shit compared to its Mediterranean counterparts.
IMO He's better than them all currently.
Yes but whilst we are kissing his backside trying to convince him to sign, I hope this doesn't turn into the summer saga with us then forgetting that there's still other business that needs sorting. I'd sooner sign what we need than the marquee signing like Ibra and yes has scored 30 goals, but still be no further on in our league position.
Right on we need him the most and we will pay the most for him both in fees and wages. He could also be the missing piece that transforms us from also-rans to genuine challengers and success with us elevates him to global stardom. A move to us, should we qualify for the CL, makes sense for both parties.
The idea that Juve would fork out £85m for the Frenchman so they could play him out of position on the right wing to replace Mandzukic is a pure pipe dream. Griezmann, Dybala and Higuain all lining up for the Old Lady in Serie A? That would make them an incoherent Napoli Mark II.
Atletico aren't the same team they were last year. They are far more open now and play 442. Having watched them a bit this season and spoken to family who are die hard Atletico fans. They've been quite poor defensively and more attacking now.Not sure that Hazard, Robben or even Neymar had been as decisive for such a defensive team. He is exactly that - a person who singlehandedly wins you games. Look at the amount of times when he scored a winner, or, even better, the only goal in the game (especially lately)
Yes, but that does not bar them from competing. He will be new to the league, manager and system, while the incumbents have settled in.
they only conceded 25 goals the whole season and "only" scored 66 goals so how are they more attacking and poor defensively?
I agree with you to the extent that United needs someone who can put the ball in the back of the net. But I also think we need one or two 'X-factor' players (e.g. the Neymar, Messi, Hazard, Rinaldo, Robben etc type) who can completely scare opponents particularly with their dribbling runs. I used to believe Martial could become that type of player but he has been so underwhelming. I had faint hopes for Mikhi too but that has fizzled out right now.
However, those type of players are rare and expensive.
Exactly. I can't see Juve selling Dybala unless it's a deal similar to what we offered Pogba. Juventus are trying to build a team worthy of winning the champions league so selling their best player doesn't make sense. At the same time their is no way Griezmann will sign for them.
Convinced he'll leave this Summer. The gap between the top 2 and Athletico has widened again in the league. 13 points behind now is it?
Hope it's for us. Would love to see him and Rashford pair up
Hope it's for us. Would love to see him and Rashford pair up
Griezmann is overrated.
He will be another big name flop if he came here, especially with the current team. United need Carrasco a lot more than Griezmann.
He will be another big name flop if he came here, especially with the current team. United need Carrasco a lot more than Griezmann.
I like Carrasco he is probably my favourite Atletico player but he is inconsistent and we have far too many of those type players in our squad.
They are more attacking and worse defensively than last year, but it's still mostly a defensive team. You can compare Griezmann's influence to the amount of goals Atletico scored in 2017 (using the table I posted earlier), it's incredible
For the price we are willing to pay, you may be right. But if he can galvanize our attack then it will be money well spent imo.
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