Lukaku is connected to Chelsea more than us and everything is pointing to him going there. Morata seems to be part of the deal of De Gea if he goes to Madrid so I won't count much on it.
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Lukaku is connected to Chelsea more than us and everything is pointing to him going there. Morata seems to be part of the deal of De Gea if he goes to Madrid so I won't count much on it.
Sterling's an English winger accustomed to idiosyncrasy of local football. Physicality isn't to be neglected when we're talking about a lone striker handling himself within frames of possession football fighting against 2 strong defenders. Ibra + Griezmann could work but unfortunately Swede's time with United is coming to an end either this summer or in next two transfer windows. Furthermore deploying Pogba as a central player in midfield two is diabolically ill advised. If Mourinho persists with it frustrations won't go away and Paul's thread(s) will keep on bloating in the future.
Griezmann's stats in CL:
2016/17: 11 app. - 5 goals (2 against Rostov, 2 against PSV, 1 against Leverkusen and 1 from PK against Leicester)
2015/16: 13 app. - 7 goals (4 against Galatasaray, 2 against Barcelona[1 PK] plus 1 against Bayern)
2014/15: 9 app. - 2 goals (1 against Olympiakos and 1 against Malmo)
2013/14: 8 app. - 1 goal (against Lyonnais)
Jose brought two of the players you name checked to the club!
So it looks like Lacazette is off to Atletico Madrid. Griezmann replacement?
That would be an interesting move for both sides. I would expect Lacazette to move to Arsenal and Simeone to be looking at Belotti or a similar ' work your socks off' striker. Atletico also seems to like raiding smaller la liga teams.
Umm we've been linked to Lukaku, Belotti, Morata, Benteke.
Mbappe can also play as a wide forward and as much as I'd like Jose to change I just can't see him doing so.
Even when his striker isn't available and he plays Rashford, Miki and Martial he has them defending so deep it's like it's a 631 formation.
I would love Griezmann or Mbappe in the team but it would mean a massive change from his usual set up.
I replied on Lukaku and Morata in another replay. Lukaku is definitely going to Chelsea and I think Morata rumors are all linked to De Gea situation so won't count much on it, I don't know much about Belotti's style of play tbh and when were we linked to Benteke ?!
Regarding playing 6-3-1 , I remember we have entered a discussion before about Valencia defending a lot , right ? I just don't understand how you see much things. It only happened in games like City not all the time. Rashford is always upfront trying to move behind the defenders, and any defensive duties the wingers made is exactly the same any winger in the world makes, just exaggerated due to Jose's history of being defensive-minded coach. 6-3-1 ?? I can't comment on this, really.
Griezmann can fill Rashford's role now perfectly.
Costa => China
Morata => Chelsea
Lacazette => Atletico
Griezmann=> United
This will happen this summer.
Morata => Chelsea
Lacazette => Atletico
Griezmann=> United
This will happen this summer.
Aren't Chelsea after Lukaku
Well that's not what you said is it? So you aknowledge we have been linked with big number 9's.
It also didn't just happen against City, see Middlesbrough for an example. It happens time and time again that our wingers are forced to play as effectively a 2nd LB or RB. And it's nothing like any winger in the world has.
I question what game you watch as well but it's clear you're not really trust worthy as shown by the big men we have been linked too which you said we hadn't been.
I think I made it clear in my post and replied on such part. Lukaku is clearly going to Chelsea not us and all strong links are pointing him to London. Morata has only been linked to us as a part of the deal of De Gea and we have even been linked to other players of their team regarding this deal just as James, and you're the first one to see him talking about us linked to Benteki. Only Belotti fills your description of us linked to him and I don't even know his style. Mbappe and Griezmann being linked to us are from definite sources.
You're exaggerating the defensive roles of our players based on one or 2 random games. Any player who will return to make his defensive duty you'll immediately consider him a defender playing in 6-3-1 position. Since we have entered a discussion about this before it's hopeless to convince you otherwise.
Wait....he's scored less goals than Iago Aspas this season??? 
Wait....he's scored less goals than Iago Aspas this season???
He started off the season in very bad form.
Wait....he's scored less goals than Iago Aspas this season???
To be fair Aspas has also comfortably out scored Neymar this season.
So Aspas asap.
No thanks, any player that's been involved with Liverpool gives off this dirty aura.
You must be joking.
I think Griezmann to United is a done deal.
Can also see Lukaku back at Chelsea.
Can also see Lukaku back at Chelsea.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking what Griezmann does bring, he's a fantastic finisher and in a big game if you get just one chance he'd be the guy you want it to fall too, I am just saying that he will have anonymous games like the one the other night as he thrives off service rather than creating chances indivdually like some of the players that some posters seem to think he's like.
That's true, but I think that's literally true of everyone in the world except Messi. Even stars like Neymar and Robben and Bale and Hazard who can all beat a man easily in a way Griezmann can't, often have anonymous games. And like I said, I think he's really improved as a passer and if we played with the speed of Martial and Rashford in front of him in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 (with Mkhitaryan or Mata on the right or as the 10 with Griezmann on the right) I think he'd play them through fairly regularly. I wouldn't have said that even a year ago, but I think he's much improved in that regard.
I am sure he will get his chances.. just saw a Pogba video in the Pogba performance topic and so many missed chances from world class Pogba passes. Pogba creating the chances and Griezzman providing the finishing Pogba his passing deserve.
Of course.
They're after a quality striker. They'll have more than one option lined up.
No, because I actually watch the games and see what's happening where you live possibly under the sea in a pineapple. There have been as many stories of Lukaku joining us as there is Chelsea. Morata was heavily linked with Chelsea too, infact one story was he is Contes preferred option.
However this still points to you being wrong and lying or just ignoring something that makes your argument look silly. Anyway back on Griezmann, I'd like to see him as a 9 but I don't think Jose will do that and will play him in the 4231 behind a striker and the wide men will be tasked with excessive defensive duties.<p>Loo at the freedom Hazard now has and how good he has been this season.
Multiple pundit opinions and reviews are Available if you care to look on how Hazard has a freer role.
Also during that City game Carragher pointed out what I was saying about the wide men this time fullback. And it's not just isolated 1-2 games like you like to keep mentioning it's been all season. It's a tactic Jose likes because he is a defensive manager.
Discussing anything with you is hopeless if you're considering what you say is true and anything other than this is lying.Is he the ideal type of striker Jose wants? I cannot recall any player of his teams who resembles him?
I think it's more your ignorance that is a little bit of an issue. Anyway what we established was you ignored stuff like we have been linked with more Jose like forwards to try and suit your argument.
Anyway, at least we established the truth in that matter. You're clearly just one of these people that don't like being challenged and will argue your point even tho it's been shown to be irrelevant until the other person can't be bothered.
Anyway back to Griezmann, personally I don't see Jose playing him up top on his own and it will be a 4231. He might deploy him out wide but then you wouldn't really be getting the est of of Griezmann. I do hope Jose changes his ways and will play him upfront and free up the two wide attackers and fullbacks so we are more fluent and attacking than we have been this season.
Can you expatiate on this?
Personally, this is the way i can see us lining up next season. Mata/Martial to rotate with Rashford/Mkhi. At least it makes most sense.
The longer this goes on the more 'meh' I am about signing him. My only fear is we try shoe horn players again because they could end up a massive expensive mistake and we'd look silly not to play them.
I honestly think Griezmann isn't like any Jose player he's had before so that also makes me skeptical.
I honestly think Griezmann isn't like any Jose player he's had before so that also makes me skeptical.
Actually not too fuzzed about this one. To be honest for the price I would rather have someone like B.Silva.
Makes it a more comfortable summer though. I was fecking buzzing about us signing Pogba, checking all available sources in the middle of the night on my phone, reading every rumour and thinking about it 8+ hours each day. With Griezman I have more of a great if it happens, nothing to worry about if it doesn't attitude.
Makes it a more comfortable summer though. I was fecking buzzing about us signing Pogba, checking all available sources in the middle of the night on my phone, reading every rumour and thinking about it 8+ hours each day. With Griezman I have more of a great if it happens, nothing to worry about if it doesn't attitude.
From a marketing point of view this is the most logical transfer in the world. I'm pretty sure it will happen.
From a football point he is world class and should improve us but will not get hyped up based on our previous transfers. Just hope we don't go by the logic, we'll buy him and that's our attack sorted. He is also quite dependent of system and players around him I feel. But, that's one for Jose.
From a football point he is world class and should improve us but will not get hyped up based on our previous transfers. Just hope we don't go by the logic, we'll buy him and that's our attack sorted. He is also quite dependent of system and players around him I feel. But, that's one for Jose.
Quality player who has played out wide but excels in the middle. How many players like this either number 9s or 10s have we signed or used in that way the last few years....Rashford (played out wide is a striker), Martial (played out wide is a striker), Mata (played out wide is a number 10), Kagawa (played out wide is a number 10) Miki (played out wide is a 10)....the list goes on. Mourinho likes his 4-3-3 that means Griezmann on the left I am guessing? Griezman reminds me of Sheringham with pace. TBH I have found Griezman quality but a bit over rated until he moved more in to the middle. If we are playing 4-3-3 and spending that kind of money personally I would rather we signed a proper wide player rather than to a degree a round peg in a square hole. Dont get me wrong, he would be a good signing of course but in the system Mourinho prefers I would much rather a flair attacking type like a Coman, Dembele, Costa, Bernardo Silva type for half the fee and wages. If he was used as a number 10 in the old 4-4-2 system it would be a different story.
And Arsenal will buy mediocrity again.
Mourinho started with 4-2-3-1 here but changed it after a while. I also think he used it in Chelsea's winning season. So, kinda feel he will try that again which means Pogba in a midfield two with Griezmann in front. Pretty sure we are capable of playing like that against lesser teams. In a big games, though, that is a no go from what we have seen so far.
In short, understand your worries. Buying him for a wing is not the best idea.
Maybe Griezmann will be this year's Sneijder?
You can be a striker and play out wide. There is nothing wrong with Rashford and Martial playing as LWF as that is what suits them best at their current level of development. Against Celta, even without Ibra on the pitch, Rashford consistently drifted to the left side, which is not surprising as he get more space to run into and avoids having is back to goal too often like he would in the middle. Celta kept a deep line which meant limited opportunity to get behind them.
At dortmund, Mkhitaryan had his best season under Tuchel, playing on the right flank in a 4-2-3-1. Kagawa was the one in the middle. Klopp had tried to play him in a more central role which Mkhi struggled with. In fact, he blamed Klopp for his earlier struggles adapting to the Bundesliga.
The one player we have that is truly suited to playing behind the striker is Mata (even though he can play wide as well). Unfortunately, the lack of a true DM has forced Mourinho to often play a 3-man midffield which prevents the use of a true CAM behind the CF. That will most likely be addressed this summer.
Given the right roster, Mourinho usually uses 4-2-3-1 as the base formation against majority of his opponents, and will only play 4-3-3 when he feels the opposition have a more dominant midfield. The 4-3-3 from this season is more out of necessity than preference.
If Griezmann comes, where he will play would depend on who else arrives and/or leaves. Independent he can play in either role to great effect and with minial difference between both. To get the best out of him would require a 4-4-2 which we will not see.
We need goalscorers and Antoine is guaranteed goals. Can play right, left, up top or behind.
A perfect match. Welcome to our new no 7.
A perfect match. Welcome to our new no 7.
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