Mourinho always has a clear idea of the team he is trying to build and also knows what he needs to complete it, but you cannot rely on his judgement to identify the specific players that would meet those needs. He has at times acquired players like Quaresma, who were obviously not what he needed, while being reluctant to accept someone like Lucio who turned out be one of his best defenders.
Better if it doesn't turn out to be true. It'll be a big waste of humongous pile of cash.
I am a little bit puzzled as to why so many want Griezmann. Yes, he is a great second striker, but we do not play with second strikers. It is very unlikely he will be the main striker in Mourinho's preferred 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, which means he will be pushed to the wings or the position as offensive midfielder - positions where Griezmann do not excel. There are better wings and offensive midfielders out there more suitable to Mourinho's system. On top of that, it is a legitimate concern that the physicality of the Premier League might be a challenge for Griezmann. He would also play for a team that has to break down the oppositions defenses a lot, which again is not where he excels. He is more of an counterattacking player.
No offensive player who score loads of goals will be a waste of money in our case. We need goals and he'll bring them.
Problem lies in the tactical aspect where if the transfer materializes we'll be forced to use very much outdated 4-4-2 system as Griezmann isn't a winger nor is material for sole striker in an English team. Sure he will score decent amounts of goals but I don't see us winning the league or CL in such circumstances (unless everyone around us crumbles in the PL). It's a wrong path transfer-wise.
Mourinho only parks the bus in big away games. Which is only like 10% of our games in a season.One important thing regarding Griezmann transfer speculation and his potential move to UTD that everyone's taking too lightly, is the style of football.
Surely a supremely talented and able player as he is, wants to play in an attacking, direct system. Players like him thrive when having ball in their possession, always passing and creative, something he can't do very much at Atletico.
If Mourinho is able to persuade him we won't be parking the bus and be as direct and offensive as we were in the first part of the season (let's hope that wasn't just a momentary surge that usually comes when new manager is appointed) I reckon we might live to see Griezmann in UTD shirt.
Mourinho only parks the bus in big away games. Which is only like 10% of our games in a season.
Why can't he be a striker ? He got intelligent movements , great in headers and clinical finishing. He'll be great in this position imo if you build your attack around him. His intelligent movements will allow him to interchange his positions with other players disturbing the opponent defense and making our attack unpredictable without a lone target up front.
I'm not denying him possesing those traits, nonetheless he'll still get bullied and kicked out of the pitch if we'd be planning to deploy him as our only outfield striker. It might be a bit of a nightmare for Antoine.
City have a different style of play and different skill set for players around Jesus (or Aguero). It is why they can dominate possession, play out the back with more of small to medium range passes, dont pose much of aerial threat in open play, play a high line and can be easily exposed defensively. You can get something similar at Barcelona, but you will not get that with a Mourinho team.Did you see Jesus getting bullied this season when playing as a striker for City ?
Did you see Jesus getting bullied this season when playing as a striker for City ?
City have a different style of play and different skill set for players around Jesus (or Aguero). It is why they can dominate possession, play out the back with more of small to medium range passes, dont pose much of aerial threat in open play, play a high line and can be easily exposed defensively. You can get something similar at Barcelona, but you will not get that with a Mourinho team.
City's setup is ultra offensive where they rely on lightening quickness of their wingers among other things. It's a bit different regarding us. Jesus is slightly taller (2cm) and one guy is 20 years old while the other's 26 coming from the Spanish league.
Starting 4 games is too small sample size to make firm judgment on the Brazilian future success on these shores, though it does look very promising for City.
Don't know who this journo is, and yes, it's The Sun - but one for the muppets.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3475518/antoine-griezmann-manchester-united-personal-terms/
Mbappe and Griezmann have totally different approaches to the game. Mbappe is more direct, try to use pace and dribbling to get past defenders, while Griezmann rely more on clever movement and exploitation of space (which is why he thrives working off a main striker)We have had a very fluent attack in the first half of the season. Also if Jose was interested in Mbappe as news mentioned then he's going for that style of play because Mbappe style isn't any different from Griezmann.
I find the ideas of physical build up and defenders bullying a weak physical players in EPL is overrated imho.
Mbappe and Griezmann have totally different approaches to the game. Mbappe is more direct, try to use pace and dribbling to get past defenders, while Griezmann rely more on clever movement and exploitation of space (which is why he thrives working off a main striker)
and neither of them play upfront alone. Mbappe has Falcao/Germain while Griezmann has Gameiro/Torres.Both aren't the physically strong number 9 who bullies the defenders and keep hitting with them. That was my point.
and neither of them play upfront alone. Mbappe has Falcao/Germain while Griezmann has Gameiro/Torres.
Griezmann will struggle as a lone striker up front in the system Mourinho employs.
and neither of them play upfront alone. Mbappe has Falcao/Germain while Griezmann has Gameiro/Torres.
Griezmann will struggle as a lone striker up front in the system Mourinho employs.
Knowing Simeone, if Griezmann could play upfront alone, which would allow him to field a more defensive player instead of Gameiro, Simeone would have jumped at it.We can't be sure until we see them playing alone. Till the moment it's all assumptions about them succeeding or failing as a number 9 or not.
Almost all of the top strikers in the league are fairly small in size and yet people are worried he won't be strong enough to be a #9 for a PL side. He isn't some baby you can knock over with ease, you know.
Knowing Simeone, if Griezmann could play upfront alone, which would allow him to field a more defensive player instead of Gameiro, Simeone would have jumped at it.
I see the myth that the premier league is full of great big hulking beasts and the Spanish league is full of midgets who are weak as piss just won't die.
Like: Ibrahimovic, Lukaku, Kane, Costa, Benteke, Llorente, King, Vardy (1,78m)? Of course everybody will think of Aguero (Sanchez or Defoe - though we ought not to kid ourselves, 3 of them are muscularly well built for the challenges of PL, something which seems out of reach for slim guy Griezmann) so let's have a look at his CL stats from the last 6 years.
2016/17: 7 app. - 8 goals (3 against FCSB[Romania], 3 against Gladbach[1 PK] and 2 against Monaco in a game where tactics went out of the window from the get go)
2015/16: 8 app. - 2 goals (1 from PK against Gladbach plus 1 against Dynamo Kyiv)
2014/15: 6 app. - 6 goals (1 PK against Roma, 1 against CSKA, 3 against Bayern scored after red card was shown for the German team[1PK] as well as 1 against Barcelona at home in the first tie, which they've lost)
2013/14: 6 app. - 6 goals (2 against Viktoria Plzen plus 4 against CSKA)
2012/13: 5 app. - 2 goals (1 against Ajax[h] and 1 from PK against Real)
2011/12: 6 app. - 1 goal (Villareal at home)
What stands out is his barren record against the best teams in the most elite competition of Europe.
I don't get it why should we invest tons of cash for not ideal type of midget striker. Pogba at least did tick all of the midfield boxes.
Atletico defends differently than say juventus, where a team like Juventus depend more on their backline, Atletico defend by closing down the spaces in midfield and cutting off channels. Juventus will play a back 3/4 which will become a back 5 if needed without the ball, while Atletico without the ball still maintain a back 4 but drop all other players into midfield (like a 4-6-0). A clear example is Griezmann tackling Asensio at the corner of his own box.Don't see any relation between both conditions tbh. Since his defense was too good these past years he has no reason to decrease the number of forward players for the sake of adding another defender that won't make much difference to his already strong defense. Mourinho is considered a defensive-minded coach even though he's playing 4-2-3-1 which isn't defensive at all on paper.
Atletico defends differently than say juventus, where a team like Juventus depend more on their backline, Atletico defend by closing down the spaces in midfield and cutting off channels. Juventus will play a back 3/4 which will become a back 5 if needed without the ball, while Atletico without the ball still maintain a back 4 but drop all other players into midfield (like a 4-6-0). A clear example is Griezmann tackling Asensio at the corner of his own box.
Simeone himself admitted they needed a striker upfront to share the load with Griezmann. Costa was his first choice while Gameiro was an alternative.
Of course it is not written in stone, but you dont pay those kind of rumored fees to try something like that out. One should go in expecting him to deliver what there are clear evidence in support of. If after arrival, it is shown he can do more, then future changes to the squad and or formation can be considered.Good points but it doesn't really mean Griezmann can't be a lone striker, though. He's just benefiting the system Simeone playing with while playing in the number 9.5 position but doesn't mean he'll be bad as a number 9 if tried in this role in another team. I think it's still all assumption and we won't know for sure till we see him playing in such a position.
Of course it is not written in stone, but you dont pay those kind of rumored fees to try something like that out. One should go in expecting him to deliver what there are clear evidence in support of. If after arrival, it is shown he can do more, then future changes to the squad and or formation can be considered.
When you play up top alone, you get a more physical abuse than when playing off a main striker. He is really not built for such and would be sad to see him periodically out injured because we threw him into the jaws of the defence.What I think is he had all qualities needed to be a striker from good movement to headers and clinical finishing. Can't see anything preventing him from doing such a role efficiently.
When you play up top alone, you get a more physical abuse than when playing off a main striker. He is really not built for such and would be sad to see him periodically out injured because we threw him into the jaws of the defence.
It was heart wrenching to see Kompany and Otamendi take cheap shots at Rashford every time he received the ball with his back to them, but in fairness, that is par for the course when you play that role against any decent defence.
The referee was very poor. He let far too many fouls go unpunished so they knew they could keep bumping into him and blocking him. Any other normal game and they would have been on a yellow from the 20th minute.When you play up top alone, you get a more physical abuse than when playing off a main striker. He is really not built for such and would be sad to see him periodically out injured because we threw him into the jaws of the defence.
It was heart wrenching to see Kompany and Otamendi take cheap shots at Rashford every time he received the ball with his back to them, but in fairness, that is par for the course when you play that role against any decent defence.
I can and his name is Jose. Griezmann could be a 9 for a guy like Klopp,Pochetino,Pepe but I've never seen a Jose system ever in my life which would incorporate someone like Griezmann who is going to use movement and guile to get in space.What I think is he had all qualities needed to be a striker from good movement to headers and clinical finishing. Can't see anything preventing him from doing such a role efficiently.
I can and his name is Jose. Griezmann could be a 9 for a guy like Klopp,Pochetino,Pepe but I've never seen a Jose system ever in my life which would incorporate someone like Griezmann who is going to use movement and guile to get in space.
He'll be deployed behind the striker in a 4231 and expected to get back defend then join in attack. It's the defensive attributes of Griezmann Jose probably likes.
Lukaku, Morata?I replied on that already, if the news mentioned him interested in Mbappe then nothing suggests he's not going to play with a different approach next season. In fact I didn't notice us being linked to any striker of " Zlatan type " till now to suggest otherwise.
