Its the wages that would rise, it becomes convincing the player rather than upping the fee.
Antoine Griezmann| Catalunya Radio say Griezmann to Barcelona is done for €100m
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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If we bid £90M (or whatever), another club like Barca will put in their bid of say £100M. The bidding war will push the price to proper market value, which may be in the region of £150M.
Just because a player has a cheap release clause, does not mean that that is the exact price which he will be sold for.
Ultimately though it depends on what the players wants, ie. does he want to stay at A.Madrid or does he want to move (and which club does he prefer to move to). Personally, I think that if Barca show the cash, there is no way that we can compete for him, because Barca are a far better club to play for and after Moyes/LVG, MUFC are not currently an elite level team.
What I do find interesting is that some fans have convinced themselves that big players move in January. It really amazes me that when it comes to transfers, human beings throw logic out of the window. And if we are ignoring logic, why not talk about signing Messi and Ronaldo on 1st January?
My friend, you are being too logical. There is no place for logic on this forum.
I don't think you understand how release clauses work. If we trigger it there would be no actual point bidding more.
If Atletico go out the group stage of Champions League I think we might buy him in Jan. He'll be eligible for us then no?
Can see us reverting to the 3412, it just suits our squad a lot more.
Can see us reverting to the 3412, it just suits our squad a lot more.
There may well be additional fees and taxes to take into consideration but a release clause is a legally binding document that enables the player to speak with any club that has triggered the value of that release clause.
I'm puzzled why you are suggesting that Atletico would be in a position to spark a bidding war.
Griezmann has lived in Spain since he was 14 years of age, its a fantastic lifestyle and I'm sure he would be reluctant to leave that behind.
I still believe that Barcelona and Real Madrid are very realistic options for him, and a move to either would surely appeal to him.
Not for one minute would I buy into the bollocks that he wouldn't play for the other Madrid club, codswallop..!!
If he did come to the Premier League, I'd think that United hold as favourites, but I reckon Chelsea would actually suit his style of play better.
A front three of Hazard, Greizmann & Morata......Sensational...!!
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Think of a release clause working in a similar way to an Ebay 'Buy It Now' option....
When a buyer meets the BIN valuation, the seller cannot then complain that he could get more money from an auction.
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I don't see Barca buying him, I don't think he does enough on the ball for what they usually look for in that front 3, especially the wider players.
Could just be me, but he has looked bang average for whole of 2017 so far. Hopefully he bring backs his A game when he is our player.
You could say that for Atletico as a whole. Simeone needs a move, they look a bit jaded despite their league position.
Griezmann will be a different player if he signs for us, no doubts about that.
Have you watched each of the 6 games ?
I expect we will have to offer him something like a 25% higher wage packet and/or signing on fee this coming summer compared to last on account of the inflation in the market.
£80m is a snip for a player of his profile in 2018.
£80m is a snip for a player of his profile in 2018.
Hopefully. He is a top player without a shadow of a doubt. I think he should have joined us this summer.
I think he has meant the whole calendar year
In that case its hard to say he's been average as he's averaged a goal every couple of games - more or less the same as he's done during his entire time at Atletico.
As much as I think AG appreciates United I think leaving Spain will be a big wrench for him and tbh I think the transfer ban was only half the reason for him calling the move off.
There is no guarantee that AG will do well or better than anyone else on the current squad. Against a typical EPL team, he failed to find pockets of space. This was generally the concensus, that AG would be able to find space and openings centrally. However, it is clear he requires more space in front to be useful. Second, for the current squad, after watching AG, it is more clear we don't need more players that play centerally. We need more width if anything.
If we have more width, space centrally will open up as opposition wil be forced to player wider. I would not buy AG and instead would focus on a left back or a proper winger.
However, AG will be bought, these are strategic buys. You just don't want the opposition to have them. That is why in the face of all evidence against buying AG MU is going to buy AG.
Regarding you leveraging Madrid or Barca, your argument is wrong. The fact is Chelsea, who MU will play for EPL tire, beat Atletico. This is concerning for MU as AG played poorly. I don't know why Atletico can play way against Madrid or Barca and lose against Chelsea. I would have to look at how many times they actually won playing them. There are a lot of factors. What matters is that AG, who everyone thought will be a beast, got shut down by Chelsea.
Obviously I have not watched him play every game in 2017 but have still seen significant amount of games and he has looked average. Yes he is still scoring goals but his overall performance is no way the same like it was in 2016. He has gone missing way too often in major games. Even against Chelsea he went missing for most part, very unlike Griezmann performance. Yes, he will surely improve our attack but I really hope he brings his A game when he joins us.
No doubt he will. Its also important to bear in mind that he would be in a completely different setup with arguably more talent surrounding him, which will take a lot of the burden off of him needing to be the main producer. He will imo, make Martial and Rashford much better and also release Pogba into a more free role where he can improvise more.
So now we have already decided Antoine Griezmann a player who was no 3 on ballon d'or list last year is not good enough because he did not perform against Chelsea, does that mean we are going to get rid of mkhitarayan, rashford, mata and fellaini for the performance against Southampton, not to mention bailly and jones, they were atrocious against Stoke, DDG should have been sold 5-6 years ago, how rubbish was he when he started, the man is clearly robbing us blind.
Also what is this evidence, is this evidence that he was no 3 on Ballon d'or list, or is that he scored 16 goals and had 8 assists last season for atletico in la liga, when compared to last season, our highest scorer zlatan got 17 goals while our highest assist makers were martial and herrera tied with 6. Some really clear evidence of him not being not good enough not to mention unnecessary given our world beaters.
I have ignored this forum since the transfer window shut but thought I'd take a look out of interest, I admit I have'nt read through the AG posts but I will just say this, if anyone does'nt think he would be an asset to the team then they are simply mad.
He has the potential to be the best in the world (big ask I know) but we simply have to be looking at bringing the best players to the club when we have the opportunity, AG would put the icing on the cake for me, Zlatan/Lukaku-Martial/Rashford-Greizmann/Mata + MhkiMkhitaryaMhik behind, wow just wow.
He has the potential to be the best in the world (big ask I know) but we simply have to be looking at bringing the best players to the club when we have the opportunity, AG would put the icing on the cake for me, Zlatan/Lukaku-Martial/Rashford-Greizmann/Mata + MhkiMkhitaryaMhik behind, wow just wow.
If he is keen to choose us over Spanish teams, we should offer him the necessary benefits to reward him.
Would instantly upgrade us into the top tier of global teams.
Would instantly upgrade us into the top tier of global teams.
Ok, I am claiming:
- AG provides MU with more of what they already possesses - more central attacking options.
- AG's performance against Chelsea warrants a consideration as he is not providing solutions to our main problem (more a EPL problem as most teams park the bus) - limited space centrally.
- AG's stats, while very good, is not directly compatible. For example, if any of our attack (except Lukaku) produce double digits (Mhki and Martial most likely will do it), AG's stats will pale as these players have done so in EPL.
- MU needs width, at least a decent left back.
- MU needs a proper winger that does not play centrally. Someone that can cross a ball or cut inside from outside.
- MU will buy AG (90% sure) as a strategic buy or will make a serious effort to do so.
- I am not claiming one game dictates anything, but if any game can give MU fans a measure of how AG will do against a typical top shelf EPL team the Chelsea game is it.
I can also see AG opening space if paired with Martial(played as winger) and Mhki (played as ten) because there will be too many targets to target by opposition.
I guess I have issue with how fans are desperately trying to get someone into a team without giving the current team a chance. I feel like the focus is on attack, but there are other ways to improve team that folks just disignore. Buying a central attacking player when the team is heavy in centrally attacking players is questionable.
Release clauses have tax implications, as it's the player releasing himself with money given to him from the buying club. This is a taxable income.
Agreeing a higher fee is a win win as the selling club gets more, the buying club pays less in total when considering tax implications.
So not quite eBay!
I don't think he's as good as many here think he is. He will have his limitations when he comes to the PL and we'll all get inevitably frustrated by it especially for a player that will cost a lot
I agree 100% mate. The over rating on here is bordering on the ridiculous.
He's a good player, but he's not a great player.
I'd much rather we went all in for Dybala. Now there is a special player!
The guy has single handedly gotten Atleti to semis and finals of the Champions leagues, with individual brilliance, being at times the only attacking outlet and he isn't a special player?
He's got the best movement in football imo. His ability to get into the channels is incredible
He's got the best movement in football imo. His ability to get into the channels is incredible
Thanks for this update, first I've heard of it, but obviously makes a lot of sense.
I guess this could be part of the reason for smoothing the way for the Neymar transfer.
So actually is quite a lot like eBay. A set price with a set top end salary and a offer button for changing that salary offer to something lower and then the player can decide whether to accept or not!
Haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but i think that even though he is a special player, who will he replace?
No way do i want us to sign him to replace Lukaku, Rashford or Martial, has to be Mata or Mkhi then, but will Griez be that much of an improvement of an in form Mkhi as 10?
I'd rather we spend the money on a proper RW, more depth in the midfield (unless Pereira gets the chance), and proper full backs, instead of improving a part of the team that is already quite alright.
Yes. Griezmann on form is one of the best players in the World. Not to add he's a completely different player to Mkhi and Mata, who are both traditional playmakers.
He would score a feckload of goals in the prem.
I don't watch La Liga, so don't see much of him, but the few times i have seen him, he played up front, or came in from the left.
Is it as a 10 you think he'll play, and do best?
He occupies similar to positions to what a 10 would, but his game is nothing like a traditional number ten. What makes Griezmann so good is his ability to link up with a strike partner, his ability to get into and work the channels and his movement off the ball which are all world class. Although he can playmake he is a shadow striker by trade now. Essentially he'd be playing off Lukaku with Lukaku also playing off him.
He'll score much more goals than your average 10 when at his best.
He's a very intelligent player and I feel he gets underrated sometimes due to not being as flashy as some of the World's other top players. He scores a feckload of goals in a team who don't show much initiative going forward.
Yes penalty aside he didnt do much in the Chelsea game.
Mind is clearly in Manchester.
Sure he came out after that game and apologised that he did not play well.
Didnt know that
Sure it was on the M.E.N. blog. He knows he isn't playing well.
I agree. He is overrated in here and people would be dissappointed
I certainly don't think Griezmann is the player some seem to think he is, he's not like Neymar, Hazard, Sanchez etc...his best work is done off the ball.
Absolutely.
The only reason a ckub might bid more is to become the preferred buyer for Athletico and then hop that the player listens to his soon to be old club.
Though perhaos im being naive and this is all done as bonuses now anyway.
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