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I don't have an issue with trying that out but Sanchez, while good at pressing up front, is a liability when he has to track runners. After a corner yesterday we cleared the ball, Lingard ended up at ST, Martial at RW and Sanchez at LW. Sanchez completely turned off and allowed Juve to create an easy 2v1 against Shaw which created a threatening opportunity for Juve. He's just not disciplined in that sense and never has been.

I'd experiment with that setup in a match at home we're likely to dominate against lower level opposition, but I wouldn't trust Sanchez to execute in that capacity in matches against top level opposition.

The thing is though - I wouldn't have Sanchez or Rashford as wingers that are made to cover the fullback. I'd rather have them as RF & LF with players like Shaw, young dalpt & valencia playing as wing backs that cover the whole wide angle of the pitch & dropping back to a defense of 3 at the back that can split wider when on the back foot.

To me - a back 3 sorts out or weak defense, it allows the wing backs to be more attacking whilst providing defensive cover only when needed while to palayers like martial, Rashford, Sanchez & Lukaku can focus purely on attacking.

Right now - our defense actually revolves a lot around the wingers actually falling back in to their own half & providing cover. I don't think that is needed, nor does it suit anyone. Jose himself said that we were more defensive last season & it was easily seen at how wide and deep our wingers were.

Play 2 forwards with a supportive striker like martial. Play wingbacks to cover the channels & make a wide line of central defenders with one player who can dictate play from deep - maybe playing Lindelof in the middle with a defender on either side of him. We can have a back 5 in defence purely by defenders only & having an attack of a front 4 when the wingbacks want to get forward.

Pogba & Fred or pereira would be absolutely free to do as they please.
 
fecking love the quick one-two's he does whilst driving at the box surrounded by players.

Looks so bloody slick when it comes off and really threatens.
 
Don't think he missed out because of poor performances for France. He created a brilliant goal in his last game for France and had a good showing. Personally can't remember a poor game

He missed out because he wasn't playing as much anymore, and if you're riding the bench with the competition for his position in the French NT, it's going to be difficult to get in there. Now, that being said, he never really lit it up with France either, he's had a couple of decent games but nothing to make him stand out compared to his competition for those spots.

I thought he was playing exactly as he did before he was dropped?
No way, Deschamps has an agenda against Martial as well. Just trust those that are proud to be seen as Martial FC, you know those people that are self-admittedly bias for him :angel:

You two should keep quoting each other, you're basically peddling the same argument with a desperate need for people to acknowledge that Martial is some kind of a new player thanks to Mourinho's terrible man management since Sanchez. Unfortunately for that argument, in the very press conference Deschamps talks about Martial, he said that Martial's already shown in the past what he's showing now that's making him recall him. He just lacks consistency, some of it is his own fault, but we also know the other reason why starting last January.

For all the talk about Martial FC, the Jose brigade is a sight to behold.
 
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I am no1 Martial fan but as we all can blame Jose for some things regarding Martial, mostly he can blame only himself. After Alexis came next 3 games he was moved on rw. Well, life sucks. Deal with it. But he decided to moan and sulk, form dropped, Jose decided to go with harsh approach and the rest is history.
But now even Jose haters must admit that Jose was right. Martial is beast on the pitch. Not just his form. He plays defence, plays with passion, has huge confidence. In short; he plays like experienced player.
 
He had several bad games, he doesn't score or create chances. But he generally plays with the second team which isn't ideal.
I think this may be the reason he was inconsistent with the French NT. Even at United he starts to play well when one of Pogba or Shaw elevate their own game; it was the case against Newcastle, Chelsea, Bournemouth and lately against Juve when Fellaini was the key to unlock him. Like many great players, he also needs teammates who are around his level. Glad for him he's been called back by Deschamps, hope it boosts his confidence again as I think he has more to offer.
 
I am no1 Martial fan but as we all can blame Jose for some things regarding Martial, mostly he can blame only himself. After Alexis came next 3 games he was moved on rw. Well, life sucks. Deal with it. But he decided to moan and sulk, form dropped, Jose decided to go with harsh approach and the rest is history.
But now even Jose haters must admit that Jose was right. Martial is beast on the pitch. Not just his form. He plays defence, plays with passion, has huge confidence. In short; he plays like experienced player.

About what. ?
 
I am no1 Martial fan but as we all can blame Jose for some things regarding Martial, mostly he can blame only himself. After Alexis came next 3 games he was moved on rw. Well, life sucks. Deal with it. But he decided to moan and sulk, form dropped, Jose decided to go with harsh approach and the rest is history.
But now even Jose haters must admit that Jose was right. Martial is beast on the pitch. Not just his form. He plays defence, plays with passion, has huge confidence. In short; he plays like experienced player.
Did you watch him under LVG? I think there is nothing new in Martial lately form, if one thing he hasn't hit his 2015-2016 level yet. Maybe he's spending more time helping his fullback but and I'm not a fan of this because it reduces what he can offer in attack; such player should spent more time trying to hurt opponent. He had a quiet 80 min against Juve because of this reason, the last 10 min he attacked more and was the catalyst of our comeback.
 
Did you watch him under LVG? I think there is nothing new in Martial lately form, if one thing he hasn't hit his 2015-2016 level yet. Maybe he's spending more time helping his fullback but and I'm not a fan of this because it reduces what he can offer in attack; such player should spent more time trying to hurt opponent. He had a quiet 80 min against Juve because of this reason, the last 10 min he attacked more and was the catalyst of our comeback.

This exactly. Mourinho has done nothing but made Martial more defensive if anything. Imagine him having the luxury to stay up and attack everytime.
 
I think he’s wrong. Martial needed something to motivate him to play with more intensity. However, if we are to give credit for Mourinho spending half a season freezing him out as justification or evidence of Mou being the reason for Martial pulling himself together, we might as well just throw logic to the wind.

Edit: @snk123 and @LoveFootball You have short memory if you don’t think Martial has upped his game from 2015. He is playing with much more intensity, both in defence and attack. Looking to become more consistently involved throughout games instead of in short bursts and only a few times a game. I agree it’s wrong to give Mourinho (full) credit for it though.
 
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Don't worry, I've been one of the ones most critical about his lack of off the ball movement. You can see at least SOME improvement to want to come in and intereact and basically just have a go. The goals in my opinion have given him that confidence and have helped his game. That Bornemouth first goal where he hung off the defender and then came inside and straight down the barrel unmarked for the strike at goal just inside the box was exactly what was missing from his game in the last couple of seasons.

He's doing more defensive work, he's coming inside to collect and facilitate play and he's generally trying harder. I think you're correct he can take his game further but he's always been able to do that he just needs to get his head right mentally and the confidence will definitely help that going forward.
Yep, completely agree.
 
I am no1 Martial fan but as we all can blame Jose for some things regarding Martial, mostly he can blame only himself. After Alexis came next 3 games he was moved on rw. Well, life sucks. Deal with it. But he decided to moan and sulk, form dropped, Jose decided to go with harsh approach and the rest is history.
But now even Jose haters must admit that Jose was right. Martial is beast on the pitch. Not just his form. He plays defence, plays with passion, has huge confidence. In short; he plays like experienced player.
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I am no1 Martial fan but as we all can blame Jose for some things regarding Martial, mostly he can blame only himself. After Alexis came next 3 games he was moved on rw. Well, life sucks. Deal with it. But he decided to moan and sulk, form dropped, Jose decided to go with harsh approach and the rest is history.
But now even Jose haters must admit that Jose was right. Martial is beast on the pitch. Not just his form. He plays defence, plays with passion, has huge confidence. In short; he plays like experienced player.

I’m not sure ”Jose was right” with Martial, but I do agree he has sulked way too often these past 2 years. Once he gets his head down and gets on with it, he simply picks himself.
 
I think he’s wrong. Martial needed something to motivate him to play with more intensity. However, if we are to give credit for Mourinho spending half a season freezing him out as justification or evidence of Mou being the reason for Martial pulling himself together, we might as well just throw logic to the wind.

Edit: @snk123 and @LoveFootball You have short memory if you don’t think Martial has upped his game from 2015. He is playing with much more intensity, both in defence and attack. Looking to become more consistently involved throughout games instead of in short bursts and only a few times a game. I agree it’s wrong to give Mourinho (full) credit for it though.
It's a matter of opinion and most of the time we only seem to see what we want to see. In my opinion Martial under LVG was always involved and was our main source of creativity. Maybe now you're assuming this because he's more involved and spend more time in the defense, that can make a player look busy; Rooney in his later years was average but tried to involve himself more by helping defensively, hence guy like Gary Neville labeled him as "silent dominator". But I insist, if we want a full Martial, we have to use him the way Klopp/Pep/Sarri/Valverde use their most dangerous players. Credit to Mourinho thought for the faith he's putting on him now, some may say it's because he had no choice but if the team benefit from it then nothing else is important.
 
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No, it is really not. His attidute is different. Full of confidence, when we score he celebrates goals with passion, he fights in defence. Maybe i am wrong but i did not see that last few seasons
 
No, it is really not.

Then it's a really weird opinion. Players can play well without it being Jose's doing. He played great under LVG. All Jose's done is interrupt his progress for two years. If it wasn't for all those injuries a few weeks ago he'd probably still be sitting on the bench.
 
It's a matter of opinion and most of the time we only seem to see what we want to see. In my opinion Martial under LVG was always involved and was our main source of creativity. Maybe now you're assuming this because he's more involved and spend more time in the defense, that can make a player look busy; Rooney in his later years was average but tried to involve himself more by helping defensively, hence guy like Gary Neville labeled him as "silent dominator". But I insist, if we want a full Martial, we have to use him the way Klopp/Pep/Sarri/Valverde use their most dangerous players. Credit to Mourinho thought for the faith he's putting on him now, some may say it's because he had no choice but if the team benefit from it then nothing else is important.
You’re barking up the wrong tree here mate, I’m not one of those who think he should become an all-rounder. I’ve been a huge fan since day one, and up until his first couple of subs this season where he didn’t seem bothered and I kind of felt like it wouldn’t matter much if we sold him, because he wouldn’t make it here.

I’m not going to bother looking up the stats, but yes, he contributed in bursts his first season. I understand your need to use the ‘opinions and remembering what we want’, but imo that’s what you’re guilty of. Our attack was blunt, at best, the whole time under LVG, and it’s natural to think Martial was consistently good, because he was, in fact, our best and most dangerous attacking player, be that scoring or creating. Now, over to something that isn’t matter of opinion: We are, and have been, creating a lot more chances under Mou than we did with LVGs sideway-pass the oppos to death, and now Martial has, for 5 straight games, been top or second highest creator of chances and shot taker, in addition to scoring a goal a game average (for 5 games).

I agree with your wish of letting him use the majority of his energy in attack, initiating or finishing them. He hasn’t consistently shown enough, not even now for me, to have earned that privilege, though. He’s slowly getting there imo. It would look pretty stupid in those two games vs Juve if we let him stand around up top/left the whole time. Juventus is still a much better team than us, and performances like he had, goes a long way of proving that he can, unequivocally, be an important part of the team even when he has to work hard defensively for 80 minutes, which isn’t really his area of expertise. I believe it will also push him closer to undroppable, and cut him some more slack when he has the occasional bad game or two.

So yeah, he has tactically and mentally developed a lot since 2015. To be clear, Mou has had a part in it, but I give Martial 85% of the credit, and believe a manager that doesn’t thrive on conflict could’ve got him there much sooner.
 
No, it is really not. His attidute is different. Full of confidence, when we score he celebrates goals with passion, he fights in defence. Maybe i am wrong but i did not see that last few seasons

I don't see any massive change in goal celebrations. As for confidence, it was Jose who robbed him of that.

I credit Jose for whipping Shaw into shape, as Shaw deserved the tough handling considering that other managers had voiced similar concerns about him. But Martial was unfairly treated and probably missed out on a WC winner's medal because of that.
 
Jesus Jose fan boys still trying to pedal this nonsense. Martial has been performing every time he was given a basic run of games. It's been the case since he got here.

Jose literally has nothing to do with it. He was already able to perform to this level since he was 19 ad he did that for 3/4 of a season in a poor team.
 
Jesus Jose fan boys still trying to pedal this nonsense. Martial has been performing every time he was given a basic run of games. It's been the case since he got here.

Jose literally has nothing to do with it. He was already able to perform to this level since he was 19 ad he did that for 3/4 of a season in a poor team.

Martial performed after one not great game. It's not Jose who did it. It's Martial. Jose just played him when he stepped up, as expected.
 
Don't worry, I've been one of the ones most critical about his lack of off the ball movement. You can see at least SOME improvement to want to come in and intereact and basically just have a go. The goals in my opinion have given him that confidence and have helped his game. That Bornemouth first goal where he hung off the defender and then came inside and straight down the barrel unmarked for the strike at goal just inside the box was exactly what was missing from his game in the last couple of seasons.

He's doing more defensive work, he's coming inside to collect and facilitate play and he's generally trying harder. I think you're correct he can take his game further but he's always been able to do that he just needs to get his head right mentally and the confidence will definitely help that going forward.

Feel exactly the same. He's involving himself more instead of waiting on the left wing for the ball. I'm loving this Martial!!
 
MOURINHO: HOW WE'RE GETTING THE BEST OUT OF MARTIAL

“I never gave up,“ Jose explained. ”I never gave up my feelings that this was the right way for him, even if he had to go through difficult moments.

“I knew that for him to become a really top player, he needed to overcome some barriers that I put on the road for him. It is up to his talent, because he has phenomenal talent.

“It was just a question of him understanding what a top player is because there is a big difference between a top talent and a top player.”

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...-martial-after-his-recall-to-the-france-squad
 
No, it is really not. His attidute is different. Full of confidence, when we score he celebrates goals with passion, he fights in defence. Maybe i am wrong but i did not see that last few seasons

See his January form, I don't know if he's better than that now. He was dropped right in the middle of that for Sanchez after one middling game.
 
I've told you all before. Jose is Mr Miyagi. Just have to follow his methods.
That's what he wants you to believe and you fall for it. He never needed to be Miyagid. He was already good if not messed with. Just look at him at Monaco or under LVG.
 
Jesus Jose fan boys still trying to pedal this nonsense. Martial has been performing every time he was given a basic run of games. It's been the case since he got here.

Jose literally has nothing to do with it. He was already able to perform to this level since he was 19 ad he did that for 3/4 of a season in a poor team.
I can use same logic to anti-Jose brigade. So when Martial had bad games( and he had them a lot, lets stop talking only about that 2 months in pre Sanchez period) then it was on Jose. Now when Martial plays excellent then it is on Martial.
As i said before, Jose is far from blameless here and i was also so pissed when Martial was on the bench, because i love that player since day one but to say that Martial is victim here is just not true.
 
I can use same logic to anti-Jose brigade. So when Martial had bad games( and he had them a lot, lets stop talking only about that 2 months in pre Sanchez period) then it was on Jose. Now when Martial plays excellent then it is on Martial.
As i said before, Jose is far from blameless here and i was also so pissed when Martial was on the bench, because i love that player since day one but to say that Martial is victim here is just not true.

This is so obvious its unreal. Ever since I joined this forum there have been countless posters that blame the manager whenever Martial has an average game. That's why I was one of the first to use the phrase Martial FC on here. To describe these people that see Martial as without fault, a god of sorts.

So many times you would read that we parked the bus even if we didn't, and that Ashley Young of all people wasn't attacking enough so he was isolated. It would be the same excuses regardless of what happened, if Martial kept on losing the ball running into blind alleys and not getting into good positions it wasn't him doing that it was the manager???

A perfect example was our 2-1 loss to huddersfield well before Sanchez came. He was absolutely dreadful in that game and was close to getting sent off in the 1st half. The Huddersfield players left a little bit on him and he lost his cool and it affected the rest of his game. But in his performance thread several posters that say the same thing every game he plays were absolutely not having it and a few even said he was the best player on the pitch.
 
I can use same logic to anti-Jose brigade. So when Martial had bad games( and he had them a lot, lets stop talking only about that 2 months in pre Sanchez period) then it was on Jose. Now when Martial plays excellent then it is on Martial.
As i said before, Jose is far from blameless here and i was also so pissed when Martial was on the bench, because i love that player since day one but to say that Martial is victim here is just not true.

The funny things is that all these bad games you're refferring too when he was bad the whole team was probably bad just as well. This means if the whole team is just as bad we really can't blame one individual but you guessed it, the MANAGER! Lets stop the narrative that Mourinho has something to do with martials revival when in fact he stunted his growth by placing his trust in sanchez on the left. He is currently working to rectify that by playing him in his best position which has obviously seen wonders for the team. Mourinho is a proud man and will never admit he got it wrong and I really couldn't care less as long as he is now doing whats best for the team. The past is the past ans hopefully we can all move on from this saga which happened last season.


That's why I was one of the first to use the phrase Martial FC on here
Martial FC originated on twitter.
 
I can use same logic to anti-Jose brigade. So when Martial had bad games( and he had them a lot, lets stop talking only about that 2 months in pre Sanchez period) then it was on Jose. Now when Martial plays excellent then it is on Martial.
As i said before, Jose is far from blameless here and i was also so pissed when Martial was on the bench, because i love that player since day one but to say that Martial is victim here is just not true.
The fact of the matter is that Martial has been treated much harsher than the people he is competing with for playing time.

Yes he was poor in Mourinho's first season. That was entirely on him (although Mourinho taking his shirt number of him wasn't a great start). But in the second season, it took a couple of months of him outperforming Rashford before Martial was installed as first choice. Then, despite being by far our best attacker for a couple of months, he was the one who lost his spot when we signed Sanchez. Then in the second half of the season, despite Sanchez playing like trash and Rashford also playing worse than Martial in the chances that they got, Martial was comfortably third choice behind them and never got a proper chance again. Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Mata and even Rashford to some extent - all of them have continued to get regular starts during times where they've been playing poorly. Martial never gets that same treatment, and surprise surprise a player who is treated poorly and only gets the occasional chance is inconsistent. How you can claim that isn't an issue I don't know.

If his competitors were treated the same way, or if they were actually performing well and deserved the better treatment, it would be fine. But they haven't been.
 
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