He must be kept at all costs. A fresh start under Ole could be good for him.
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He’ll be kept because of his £250k a week wages. We have to take another shot on him because if we offload now we’ll have to accept a very low fee. He could come good still. I can’t see any logical reason to launch him now unless he’s a bad influence in the dressing room.
Almost none of our players put in the workrate of the players at those clubs.
It's a bit weird to me how this performance thread is getting so much traffic after recent games when Martial hasn't played. I could understand it if we had somehow played a lot better without him in the team, but that obviously hasn't happened
Because there is a problem in the club with player attitudes and also people are focusing on the style of football we think Ole wants to play. Martial is worth talking about in both those topics.
Everyone could argue about Rashford's quality but he plays a very high energy game a lot of the time and you can build on that if you're looking at implementing an aggressive press. That seems to be the way Ole wants to play and it's natural to point out that Martial doesn't seem to fit into that system.
I agree.
Again these criticisms can be aimed at a lot of our players. Lukaku for example has almost identical running stats to Martial this season and at the crunch time of the season when our players should have been focusing on getting us into the top 4 he was giving interviews talking about how it was dream to play in Italy. Yet this thread is full of 'Martial is so lazy!', 'If he doesn't want to be here he can leave!' type comments while nobody has posted in Lukaku's thread in a week.
Now I'm sure you are going to say you have the same criticism of Lukaku as you do of Martial but you have to admit the disparity in thread activity is a bit weird given that identical criticisms can be aimed at both players but are seemingly only being focused on one.
He had a fresh start under Ole when Ole came in
I sobbingly watched Mane last night and in my head I compared his work-rate to Martial and in a split,uncontrollable moment I laughed out loud.
I then ,naturally,reverted back to sobbing.
I then ,naturally,reverted back to sobbing.
And did quite well.
He's pretty much the only player who didn't have any boost in his performance during the honeymoon period. Scored about 3 goals since Ole got the job.
Indeed
So a player can't have performed well unless he has scored goals in that period ? (You don't have to answer that, please don't answer that)
People are always looking for the worst possible reasons for things going badly.
Players have been pushed too hard too soon, Ole has admitted as much, it's hardly a surprise that we started struggling with muscle injuries, it's fatigue. There was a big difference in performances after our Dubai trip as well. People prefer to paint a different picture, player x, y, z etc doesn't care, they are trying to get Ole sacked like they got Mourinho sacked, bizarre claim this and bizarre claim that.
Ole and the rest of the team will work hard to make sure that the proper foundations are laid for the 19/20 season, if player x, y or z still sticks out like a sore thumb while the rest are improving, the player will be gone. Though at the moment, there's some pretty decent reasons as to why things have gone badly.
Not weird in the slightest. The recent activity in Martial’s thread has been prompted by an asinine social media post from his agency. Had the same thing happened with Lukaku he’d be the main focus of discussion instead.
Not to mention that, for all his flaws, we’ve seen visible effort from Lukaku in recent weeks. The exact opposite to what we’ve seen from Martial over the same period of time.
Not really, it was prompted by the video from the warm ups vs Chelsea.
He didn't perform well whether he scored or not. Rashford and Pogba were having a clear boost in their performance in this period for example but Martial was just doing his usual routine. We all watched the games mate.
The excuse of the problem being the players aren't adapted to "working hard" which is the bare minimum to expect a professional footballer to do is tiresome and you know yourself, come next season at Jan and absolutely nothing will be changed, we'll still be lethargic and barely running, and Martial will still standing still the entire games waiting for the ball to reach him like what he did all his entire time here. You're just hoping things will go different than what nearly what everyone can see and expect.
I feel like an absolute twat now for being happy when he extended. He doesn't even seem to give a toss about anything and he constantly walks around looking as if Voldemort was after him. When I see this kid messing about losing possesion and then barely jogging back I just wish he would get scolded by Keane. This goes for about 10 other of them as well.
Maybe so. Isn't there different expectations for a winger or striker than say a central midfielder or a fullback?
Does it take into account the position? You would probably need the average number based on position and compare it to that. I think others in the team might be just as lazy, if you compare it to the average in their specific position. Obviously Martial is one of the players that seem unable to get properly motivated and struggles to really push through, which is a problem but I wouldn't go as far as calling him just outright lazy. I don't know, maybe he is, or maybe he is just one of those guys that doesn't run around like he headless chicken when he is confused. Some players do and some players don't when they don't know what to do in the game. The main problem being: too much confusion.
That was my impression too. Seems a bit over the top.
At all costs? If we can swap him for Dybala the lad needs to go.
get rid of him.
Keano would have twatted him on the field.
Keano would have twatted him on the field.
Would love to see him gone in the summer. Unfortunately it's not happening with that new contract and the fact that no other team will want him. Guess we'll have to deal with his shitty attitude for a bit longer.
If you look at the other players, 2 are centre forwards, 3 are full backs, Martial is the lone wide forward. I don’t know. It’s a small sample of players over only the first 12 games this season but it is simply the bottom 6 out of all players in the entire league. It seems to confirm the eye test for most of us anyway. Perhaps it is wrong to call him lazy but it seems to me that he has poor work rate, doesn’t like to track back, if it doesn't equate to the same thing?
One caveat is that we were the team with the lowest work rate in the PL under Mou's sit deep style, so maybe Ole can get more him under his new fitness plan and style.
Lukaku you can understand because he’s just such a big unit but I don’t see why Martial shouldn’t play with more intensity.
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He's shit version of Sane, and Pep's talking about moving him on!
Keano would have murdered him after the warm up fiasco.
What happened there?
Cant say I care in case he is sold
"The warm up fiasco".
I'm pretty sure he's been dealing with a back injury, no? You don't usually warm up with those injuries.
Also, Keane is retired. All this Keano would have done this, that...it's kind of pointless, no?
"The warm up fiasco".
I'm pretty sure he's been dealing with a back injury, no? You don't usually warm up with those injuries.
Also, Keane is retired. All this Keano would have done this, that...it's kind of pointless, no?
According to who? The media? Yes, they've been a steady source of reliable news all year.
I'm not saying it's impossible that this happened, but it's far more likely that this is all body-language speculation instead of the simpler one that he's hurt and this whole OGS 'turning on' him is a load of nonsense tabloid drama. Whatever gets attention and riles up the mob, I guess.
If he's declared healthy and isn't playing or even on the bench then I'll give this more merit, until then I'm not buying it.
I'm not saying it's impossible that this happened, but it's far more likely that this is all body-language speculation instead of the simpler one that he's hurt and this whole OGS 'turning on' him is a load of nonsense tabloid drama. Whatever gets attention and riles up the mob, I guess.
If he's declared healthy and isn't playing or even on the bench then I'll give this more merit, until then I'm not buying it.
Well the quotes in the article are from a source, someone who was in the dressing room so take from it what you will.
We've got to remember that these guys operate in a multi billion pound industry and have careers that are built upon their attitudes and performances. Making comments publicly can and will destroy someone's career when the fact of the matter is he might not be all those things, he just might not want to play for United anymore and is showing that by downing tools.
There will always be speculation and gossip around certain players but no one is going to come out and publicly tell the world that Martial is a shit show of a person. It's easier to keep the drama to a minimum and simply say 'he's injured, won't play again this season'.
There were a couple of players a few seasons who were 'injured' for a long period of time also, 6 weeks to be exact, Berahino was one of them. Later turns out they had failed a drug test for recreational drug usage and the FA had told the clubs to deal with it however they wanted publicly but the player would be banned for 6 weeks.
Apart from being lazy, I think he's not fit.
This coming season is his last chance at this club.
This coming season is his last chance at this club.
If he was injured during the warm up I guess he or his agents would have said something. Their reaction during the shitstorm was to remind us how many goals the guy has scored in the last 4 seasons. The truth is I still have time for Martial but if Ole wants to bin him at some point I have nothing to say. I guess next season is the last chance to step up as we can't change 15 players in one summer, but I have the feeling that he's pending on a thread right now. It's on his hands to revert the situation.
There's no shitstorm, apart from a few pages on RC, it's hardly like he's being hung out to dry in every media, it's only on an internet forum.
Shitstorm
Agree about the press/media .. news today is that 'Ole has decided to stick with Martial' After the tabloids telling the world last week that he was gone. Click bait.
At Ole's press conference last week - he clearly stated that Martial had not trained that week as he was injured still. He stated he had lots of goals in him and that he would be back scoring lots of goals for us in the future. That the coaching team needed to help him do that.'
You do realise that saying anything other than this will decrease his resale value also?
I think the 5 year contract probably protects the resale value more than the words.
It does, but telling the world he doesn't have a future here and you're looking to sell means the bids your getting will only meet the his contract valuation.
Sure but it also could just mean what it is suppose to mean and he is staying. Interestingly though Ole said that the club needed to do more to help him get back his form. Martial has been complaining of knee pain again which seems to be an ongoing theme. It was also an issue in 2016 and at the beginning of this season he was unable to play 2 games a week and had to be carefully managed.
Equally there could be an underlying problem that they don't want to broadcast until they can see if they can fix it.
Don't you remember poor old Kieran Richardson getting slated for his performances - he kept complaining of a bad back - turned out he had a hairline fracture.
So I much rather wait and see what happens over the next couple of months rather than write the guy off.
I think Martial will be staying this summer due to the new contract, but I do expect one of him, Pogba or Lukaku to leave in this window coming up.
The Martial excuses have to stop now though, we've had seasons of his behaviour under two different managers and they're both making similar noises about him. This hasn't just happened this week.
He isn't progressing, he isn't improving and he certainly isn't working hard enough to warrant a place in the squad. Regardless of his injury status.
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