[Stacks]

Him, Lingard and Rashford up front are horrific just no cohesion. They all do nothing.

I rather have that lineup SAF had against Arsenal with like 8 defenders.

We used to line up with Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov so Tevez and Nani could not get into our team.

Sums it up well. Two world class players and one of them and we might look decent, but it's no wonder we barely do anything with the three of em.

All our eyes our now open. First the consensus was that we just needed defenders as Jose was holding our attackers back but now we see the light. Griezmann, Sancho and one of the youngsters would transform our attack.

He just isn't very good, and doesn't have this "world class" potential or talent that people always bandy about.

Martial's decent stats are because his one good quality is finishing, but have always flattered his actual quality over 90 minutes - he's a 'moments' player and if you're playing as a winger for United that's just not enough.

I'd give him one more season but only ever play him as a CF, as you can get away with being a moments player in this position more than you can when playing as a LW. He doesn't even have the qualities to play as a LW given his lack of intensity (to put it mildly) and ridiculously overrated dribbling. How many times have you seen him reluctant to take on a full back who he should be ripping to shreds if anywhere near as talented as people make out?

So yeah, give him one more season, but my expectation is that he'll end up having a Quaresma type of career; moments of excellence every now and then but largely underwhelming due to lack of drive and footballing brain. He'll end up playing most of his footballer at Europa League level teams in Spain and/or Italy and even find himself benched for those type of clubs at times given how utterly dreadful his bottom level is.

The most accurate summary of Tony to date. my only critique is that he is currently good, with potential to become very good.

Martial FC has been starving of late.

We still out here

Nothing weird. Just FIFA generation symdrome. In video game you just need players with good stats. You control the player's mind and ultilize those ability with the view of the whole pitch. Players like Martial clearly has that potential (stats), so moving player around when it doesn't work is a strait of FIFA generation.

In reality, it's a competition for position with managers' tacitical plans at work. This game in particular, Ole tried to press and the better players to spearhead our pressing are Lingard and Rashford for the intensity and their drive. You have to be better than someone at the key requirement for the manager's tactical point to earn that position or you would be at best shoehorned in a different position. Feck off offering nothing and still act like above the club.

Still there are some trying to spin it on Lingard having a worse game just to clutch on Martial potential, and easily swept the fact how terrible Martial played central against supposed tired legs in first leg, made our pressing worse and we had to settle for 0-1 defeat.

another very good post

 

[Kapardin]

So far, the excuse was that he played under 2 managers who had stifling tactics (LvG and Mourinho). It's clear Ole doesn't place restrictions on attackers. Then what is the problem?

He is almost 24. Not a kid. He should be at his prime scoring goals consistently. All leads me to believe he isn't even as good as Zaha and is highly overrated due to some fancy dribbles and the odd good game now and then. We need a LW too.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

Happy to let him go this summer if he wants to.

Next season is make or break for him.

Does somebody want to let these guys know that he just signed a bumper 200k a week deal? Unless the club actively try to bin him off he won't be going anywhere for another four years minimum. I can't see Ed Woodward binning his little pet project after rather farcically tripling his wages. It is delusional to think that anybody is going to come in and offer any kind of wage similar to what he's getting. We're going to be sitting here in four years time and having similar arguments about whether or not his movement and instincts have improved. He'd be a lunatic to step away from the wage he's just secured.

 

[Janson]

Martial has motivation issue. You will never see the fight in him. He is good but without that attitude, he can’t call himself a Utd player. He is almost the same as Pogba maybe that how a French player behaves. If someone comes with a good offer, I would sell him as well. Too moody for me.

Eh, no. It has nothing to do with nationality. That's ridiculous. It has everything to do with Martial himself.

 

[Raven]

After watching the other games in the CL, what strikes me is that literally every team has passing options regardless of where they are on the pitch. This is not the case with United, I feel with a full preseason, we'll see the best of a number of players, not least Martial. That's not to say he should be excused for his poor performances lately, but I'm certainly more willing to cut him some slack, given that he's one of our most talented players and without his goals early on in the season, we'd still be nowhere near top 4.

 

[Stacks]

For all those who think Martial deserves to play CF, he has 1 goal in 7 appearances as a CF in 2018/19

In his career as a CF he has 21 goals in 86 apps (5494 minutes) = 1 every 261 minutes

LWF he has 34 goals in 110 apps (7667 minutes) = 1 every 225.5 minutes

basically he just needs to fix up!

 

[Shine&Recline]

Anelka was pretty good and important for Chelsea's success. I don't see Martial ever reaching that level.

Agreed..Martial is nowhere near Anelka in terms of ability.

 

[VeevaVee]

All our eyes our now open. First the consensus was that we just needed defenders as Jose was holding our attackers back but now we see the light. Griezmann, Sancho and one of the youngsters would transform our attack.

And most other top teams have this. Kane/Son, Mane/Salah(ok not been dazzling this season but still banged plenty in), Aguero/Sterling. We need that dynamism.

 

[Janson]

I would be mad and disinterested as well to see rashford messing and stinking up the place as often as he has done lately if i was martial why doesn't ole try him in the central position for 3 games in a row i mean i can'y be worse than rashy at least he will hold the ball up and not be bullied as easily as marcus has been.

It is as if people have forgotten how good he was as a striker in his first season here,i don't recall anyone calling him lazy during that time and i will say it again until he is given a fair share like rashford whi has failed miserably as a striker for almost 2 to 3 months we won't see the best of anthony.

I am sure a lot of teams would love to have him like chelsea and totteham and even bayern munich and i am sure there he would more appreciated because this propaganda of doing everything to put rashford in a good light even when he has been dreadful i just don't get apart from running a lot and everywhere there is nothing else rashy is better than anthony but one is english and i can understand why a lot of you and the media are quick to take rashy side which is a shame.

How did I miss this post?

 

[Jacob]

How did I miss this post?

He's not too far off the truth though.

 

[el3mel]

He's not too far off the truth though.

He's as far from the truth as I'm from playing for the current United side.

 

[Jacob]

He's as far from the truth as I'm from playing for the current United side.

Name one thing Rashford is better than Martial at, except for running.

Rashford is not an instinctive striker. Rather have Greenwood there.

 

[Janson]

He's not too far off the truth though.

I don't see any reason whatsoever why he should be given several games as a striker. Take a look at the post further up from @Stacks which says how many goals he's scored as a striker here.

Maybe he's right about Rashford getting a bit more slack but he gets plenty of criticism on here. The way Martial is playing, I see him going to a midtable team rather than the big teams he mentions. Another thing that's wrong with his post, Martial didn't play as a striker for the whole first season.

 

[el3mel]

Name one thing Rashford is better than Martial at, except for running.

Rashford is not an instinctive striker. Rather have Greenwood there.

They're both equally terrible but I'm forced to choose, I'll definitely choose the one who tries to at least put some effort, instead of barely moving the entire game and waiting for the ball to reach him.

But if we want the reality, then both are equally terrible football wise and should be on the bench.

 

[Jacob]

They're both equally terrible but I'm forced to choose, I'll definitely choose the one who tries to at least put some effort, instead of barely moving the entire game and waiting for the ball to reach him.

But if we want the reality, then both are equally terrible football wise and should be on the bench.

And this is where we agree. Both are terribly overrated. Combine them to one player and we'd be golden.

 

[FutbolFan]

He really is an enigma. Dunno why he does not go beast mode and attempt more take ons.

 

[el3mel]

And this is where we agree. Both are terribly overrated. Combine them to one player and we'd be golden.

Yep, agree.

 

[Janson]

And this is where we agree. Both are terribly overrated. Combine them to one player and we'd be golden.

Yeah, I agree with that as well.

 

[haram]

You can claim both are overrated, fine. Only one is actually developing though. Perhaps, maybe things and players around Martial can change that will make him look better. He himself though, is not doing anything to make himself a better player. That is my gripe. Yes I can agree that things in this team and the way we play needs to improve, that is an excuse I can afford the forwards. A lack of development from an individual after three years though? Im sorry, but the excuses do not move me.

 

[afrocentricity]

A bad game against a CL team that will potentially go on to win the CL? Sell him and flail his children!

 

[Raw]

A bad game against a CL team that will potentially go on to win the CL? Sell him and flail his children!

Well it's not exactly just this game. He's been crap for weeks.

 

[afrocentricity]

Well it's not exactly just this game. He's been crap for weeks.

Brand his offspring and castrate him!

 

[BrianMcClair'sBarnet]

Come on guys,he scored a wonder goal against Fulham,cut him some slack.

 

[Ever Moas]

He's a bit shit. But he has that cavalier, laid back air that some great players have had, and apparently that's enough for some. No other elite club would reward his level of performance and disinterested attitude with a starting spot and new contract.

 

[Bwuk]

For me he’s probably our most talented outfield player bar Pogba, but he just doesn’t work hard enough.

He’s never a winger though.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

For me he’s probably our most talented outfield player bar Pogba, but he just doesn’t work hard enough.

He’s never a winger though.

Is he even a striker though with his awful movement? He has some of the worst off the ball movement and anticipation for space I've ever seen.

His current game would be more suited to futsal. Walks about until he gets the ball and then tries to take on players.

 

[The Nani]

Is he even a striker though with his awful movement? He has some of the worst off the ball movement and anticipation for space I've ever seen.

His current game would be more suited to futsal. Walks about until he gets the ball and then tries to take on players.

His movement is an issue, yes. But that is a recent trend. He's definitely not a winger though. I have no hope for him whatsoever if we continue to play him out wide.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

His movement is an issue, yes. But that is a recent trend. He's definitely not a winger though. I have no hope for him whatsoever if we continue to play him out wide.

His movement has been an issue since he's been here at the club IMO.

Van Gaal's rigid structure suited him a lot that 1st season so it wasn't really brought to light how poor his movement is.

 

[The Nani]

His movement has been an issue since he's been here at the club IMO.

Van Gaal's rigid structure suited him a lot that 1st season so it wasn't really brought to light how poor his movement is.

Don't agree with that. This season and more specifically recently I've noticed a dramatic decrease in his movement.

He has been coming in and out of the team due to injury a lot lately, but he's also seemingly been involved in a lot of extracurricular activity as well.

Both worrying trends.

 

[Patrick08]

Needs to be benched.

 

[Wade3]

In order to point out something positive about his recent performances: Just based on the eye-test, his defensive contributions have improved. It's probably still an aftermath of the Mourinho era. I sometimes wonder, however, whether this currently hinders his offensive games. He falls back so deeply to defend quite often that he isn't even in a position to make great runs in behind.
He still tries his 1-2's and his movement is great there, but his teammates often enough tend to not pick up on them.

Overall, his level of aggressiveness has to massively improve. A player with his talent should constantly look to attack. He glides around too much in games.

I have a feeling Solksjaer is the right manager for him though. He's generally a positive, supportive person that also has a tough streak about him though. I think this mixture is what Martial needs.

 

[Lee565]

I feel like the excuses for him are running out BUT why has he not been tried as a forward yet again under ole, the general perception is that he has not improved since his first season but then again he was playing as a striker, would it be so crazy to give him a shot back in the striker position seeing as he is probably still our most lethal player in front of goal?

 

[Keefy18]

I feel like the excuses for him are running out BUT why has he not been tried as a forward yet again under ole, the general perception is that he has not improved since his first season but then again he was playing as a striker, would it be so crazy to give him a shot back in the striker position seeing as he is probably still our most lethal player in front of goal?

I'd love to see this. Either leading the line himself or at least in a supporting striker type role in behind Rashford.

He's got his work cut out for him, he's not going to get the nod ahead of Rashford who is a local lad and English.

 

[InspiRED]

Just to add another voice into the essentially meaningless echo chamber (coz it won't change feck all), but that massive contract What a calamitous mistake.

Technically he's possibly our best player. But in terms of attitude and commitment he is very low indeed. Been waiting far too long for him to reach his 'world class potential', Let's be honest we're all fecking sick of our squad full of 'world class potential'.

 

[InspiRED]

And this is where we agree. Both are terribly overrated. Combine them to one player and we'd be golden.

Could go horribly wrong though and result in a demonic lovechild that can't really be fecked and specialises in shinning it over the bar.

 

[Stacks]

Just to add another voice into the essentially meaningless echo chamber (coz it won't change feck all), but that massive contract What a calamitous mistake.

Technically he's possibly our best player. But in terms of attitude and commitment he is very low indeed. Been waiting far too long for him to reach his 'world class potential', Let's be honest we're all fecking sick of our squad full of 'world class potential'.

He isn't. His crossing is woeful, final ball and passing nothing special, dribbling heading long passes long range striking is just ordinary. What he excels in technically is his finishing which is very good

 

[Stacks]

I feel like the excuses for him are running out BUT why has he not been tried as a forward yet again under ole, the general perception is that he has not improved since his first season but then again he was playing as a striker, would it be so crazy to give him a shot back in the striker position seeing as he is probably still our most lethal player in front of goal?

I'd love to see this. Either leading the line himself or at least in a supporting striker type role in behind Rashford.

He's got his work cut out for him, he's not going to get the nod ahead of Rashford who is a local lad and English.

His goals to minute is even lower as CF than out wide and frankly unacceptable for a CF

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Was Mourinho’s fault, then Sanchez fault and then the player himself got into form and forced his way into the team even for a manager who “hated him” and “ruined him”.

Now we’re back to him being poor and seemingly half interested, as I’ve always maintained with Martial, he has the talent to force himself into pretty much any side in the World, but too often he just offers so very very little & leaves manager’s with no choice but to drop him.

 

[RedDevil@84]

As it stands, I doubt Ole would move him to no 9 or experiment anything more with him this season.
How his career moves in next season will be interesting.

 

[Keefy18]

His goals to minute is even lower as CF than out wide and frankly unacceptable for a CF

Have you the stats to prove that? It's extremely difficult to quantify how many games he played exactly as a CF.

I think everyone would agree that most of his games have been as LW though.

Considering he still scores more consistently then any other United player, surely that warrants a run as CF?