Only a Jose FC fan would say such a thing.
See, we can engage in playground insults too.
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Only a Jose FC fan would say such a thing.
See, we can engage in playground insults too.
Yeah but you ignored the bit where we're top of the league and won the EL? So naa naa
Don't care about the EL, it's a second-rate competition for second-rate clubs. Mourinho failed miserably in the league, crashing to sixth after talking about challenging for the title before the season.
We're not top of the league. And it's been 6 games, and we've yet to face any of the top teams.
We win when he starts too. And I imagine we will keep winning while Pogba is out. Ridiculous point to keep pushing.
Do you know how many top players we could get away with leaving out and still win? Loads. But we don't.
What about the games that he actually played really well in last year?
And you can't see the difference in football from when Martial did well to now?
Yes? And? Martial is still one of our most effective attackers. And it's not as if Mata, Rashford or even Mkhi have done so much more to cement their spots in the team.
We won the FA Cup in Martial's first season, to which he was instrumental too.
So Jose isn't to blame for not getting the most out of Martial, as people keep saying?
One important thing to consider is that his contract will expire in 2019 and I wouldn't be so sure he's gonna renew it if the current situation doesn't change.
There's the option of a further year in his contract.
Then we'll just hear from Jose how it was all the player's decision, and that he really wanted him to stay but he would not stand in his way.
Both the player and the club need to agree on that, right?
That's what I'm afraid of, especially after Mourinho's comments post match when he said we weren't 2 up and hence why he couldn't bring on Martial.
If Mourinho really said that then it confirms my suspicions which were about Mourinho still not trusting Martial no matter how well he plays.
He only brings him when the game is safe and are in control, he refuses to bring him when things are tight even if we're chasing a game(the Madrid supercup final).
Frankly speaking at this point I still feel Mourinho plays Martial more as an obligation and expectation(from fans etc) then him genuinely wanting to play him which is why it always only take a quiet game from Martial to be quickly dropped from the starting line up.
Genuine question, when was the last time Martial started consecutive games regardless of form? I've seen Martial put in MOTM performances in previous games to only get drop for the very next game.
No, the club just activates the extension.
Okay.
It's a shame really. Tbh I can't really remember, think it was at the start of the last season.
Really wish that the camera shifts to Mourinho's face when fans are singing Martial song.
Consdering the whole Perisic chase this summer, it's pretty clear that Mourinho would never stand in Martial's way if he wanted to leave. Had we got Perisic, as well as a good offer for Martial, he would probably be gone by now.
It's really nothing new - José has a habit of winning at clubs before leaving them in a mess.
A young talented player like Martial leaving would be bad fpr the club; never mind what José thinks of him.
If I was Woodward - I'd use my head & not force through a transfer even for the 'right' offer.
We must look at the benefits and the problems of these type of moves from the past as well as José habits & tendencies.
Sell the guy & he will be partnering gabriel jesus upfront at city the season after next just because he doesn't control the ball the way José prefers his players to.
A young talented player like Martial leaving would be bad fpr the club; never mind what José thinks of him.
If I was Woodward - I'd use my head & not force through a transfer even for the 'right' offer.
We must look at the benefits and the problems of these type of moves from the past as well as José habits & tendencies.
Sell the guy & he will be partnering gabriel jesus upfront at city the season after next just because he doesn't control the ball the way José prefers his players to.
His comment doesn't mean he doesn't trust Martial.
He's simply saying he's not wasting a sub on an attacker during a period we were stuck in our half.
He's simply saying he's not wasting a sub on an attacker during a period we were stuck in our half.
When Utd is just 1 up and the opposition is coming hard at us and winning the midfield battles and piercing the defense:
What some fans think: Let's bring on Martial, score and put the game beyond them
What Jose thinks: My defense is getting constantly bombarded, let me tighten that side up
What some fans think: Let's bring on Martial, score and put the game beyond them
What Jose thinks: My defense is getting constantly bombarded, let me tighten that side up
Well, go support City then. Much as I like Martial, if he goes to City because we've been building a winning team that he can't get into... then so be it.
I think we should wait and see for a bit longer. I can't see things ending well for Martial in the long run, as it seems he only has one route into the team, and that is in competition with Rashford. One will likely leave, and I can't see us allowing Rashford to go.
What will probably happen is that he will leave, and be referred to as 'United flop' for years to come both on the caf and by the media.
What will probably happen is that he will leave, and be referred to as 'United flop' for years to come both on the caf and by the media.
I can't remember either.
Was the end of last season in the league but that was because we were prioritising Europe so our second string was played in the league.
Martial started 6 successive games last season in the second half. Starting from Watford game when we won 2-0, followed by Saint Etienne, Blackburn, Saint Etienne, Southampton ( League Cup final ) and Bournemouth.
Martial didn't start the St Etienne game in France. I distinctly remember this because he was the first and only player and still is since Mourinho arrived to have been brought to do a pre match press conference yet didn't start.
Usually when Mourinho takes a player with him for a press conference pre match it means he's a starter, Martial being the only exception.
Usually when Mourinho takes a player with him for a press conference pre match it means he's a starter, Martial being the only exception.
Yeah, up until the Chelsea league home game his longest run of starts in 2017 was three games. He did start the other five games el3mel mentioned but he definitely didn't start the St Etienne one - he wasn't even called off the bench.
Yeah, now I remember those meaningless pl games toward the end of the season.
I actually remember him playing well on the Southampton and Tottenham games actually to hardly play in them last stage Europa League games. Heck even with Zlatan gone Mourinho still find a way to keep him out of important games and had Lingard play consecutive games despite poor performances one after the other.
Now that I think about it, the kid has had it way rough under Mourinho, much worse than I actually thought.
My bad, yes he didn't start the game in France, probably was rested for the league Cup final as he played all the 90 minutes in it. Started the other 5 games.
Why would I do that?
Martial is simply good enough to play for every single team in the PL & would play much more than he is doing now here at United.
Is martial not playing because he is rubbish?
No it's because José is a manager very un-adaptive to the players at his disposal; hence why he gets caught out by year 3 playing the same way with the same players.
I do not want him sold because I'm personally sure that José won't be here as long as some fans want him to be. Martial on the other hand would most likely have a better time under most other managers; for that we should wait as a club before getting rid, since José will probably leave before that.
I won't support city thanks =/
"He got rested" 
I actually even remember Mourinho pulling this excuse as to why Martial MOTM in a previous game against Boro didn't play against West Ham the following game.
Sometimes I think Mou thinks people are morons or something
I actually even remember Mourinho pulling this excuse as to why Martial MOTM in a previous game against Boro didn't play against West Ham the following game.
Sometimes I think Mou thinks people are morons or something
Except Martial is perfect for the situation we were in. Fast and strong attacker that can dribble past few opponents on the break.
Question is why he can't get into this team? He has all the qualities and even tho I love Rashers, Martial is far more talented and accomplished at this point in their careers.
It's obvious Mourinho doesn't fancy him and in the long run us, the UTD will suffer for it if the things go awry because Mourinho isn't really a long term manager.
KDB will probably have a hard time getting into this amazing team of ours ahead of Fellaini
Martial and Rashford will br switching this season with one starting and one on the bench all the time in important games because they are 2 players which bring energy and speed and it is nice to have that kind of player on the bench to come on for last 60 mins against tired defense. They also both have a free attacking role which on the other side Mata doesn't have (he plays much more centrally like AM.
Martial played 90 min the game before and it was only logical that Rashford started the next game. I think it was a plan to bring Martial in for last 30 min but by then we lost control of the game, Gabbiadini was coming on and Austin was preparing to come on also so it was logical to bring in extra defender and not sub Rashford out in case we concede and we needed to go after another goal. For that reason it was also important to keep tle last substitute till the end to bring Martial on if we conceded and that was Mourinho implying with his comments that he could brought Martial on.
Martial will play a lit this season, same with Rashford but I don't expect them starting at the same time very often.
Martial played 90 min the game before and it was only logical that Rashford started the next game. I think it was a plan to bring Martial in for last 30 min but by then we lost control of the game, Gabbiadini was coming on and Austin was preparing to come on also so it was logical to bring in extra defender and not sub Rashford out in case we concede and we needed to go after another goal. For that reason it was also important to keep tle last substitute till the end to bring Martial on if we conceded and that was Mourinho implying with his comments that he could brought Martial on.
Martial will play a lit this season, same with Rashford but I don't expect them starting at the same time very often.
You guys crack me up
Someone understands! All is not lost! Phew..
Yes that is what most likely will happen. There's absolutely no possibility they can both be part of the same squad. No chance at all. Not sure how the likes of Real, City, Bayern et al keep their plethora of attacking talent happy when we will 100% lose Martial. It's bizarre!
"He got rested"
I actually even remember Mourinho pulling this excuse as to why Martial MOTM in a previous game against Boro didn't play against West Ham the following game.
Sometimes I think Mou thinks people are morons or something
If he reads the Caf he'll know people are morons. See this thread for starters.
You guys crack me up
Someone understands! All is not lost! Phew..
Yes that is what most likely will happen. There's absolutely no possibility they can both be part of the same squad. No chance at all. Not sure how the likes of Real, City, Bayern et al keep their plethora of attacking talent happy when we will 100% lose Martial. It's bizarre!
If he reads the Caf he'll know people are morons. See this thread for starters.
Firstly, I didn't speak in absolutes, so don't add them in yourself to replace my estimates, in order to make the point that what I said shoukd have been an estimate an estimate. To use the term you used to describe those with opposing views, that would be moronic.
Secondly, subs and squad players leave big clubs all the time. Real have had a set front three for years, to the extent they have been given an acronym, and they have had nobody of comparable quality on the bench, let alone anyone who has a very good case for being a better player than at least one. Well, they did have one, and he's currently scoring goals for Chelsea as a result.
Barcelona's front three speaks for itself over the years, nobody joins them to 'compete' at all. Sanchez left when Suarez joined.
Bayern have young players like Coman understudying for players who are 33 and 34. He obviously won't look at the squad and conclude that he can't possibly have a future in the first XI so long as Ribery and Robben are around.
As for City, who knows with them, I'm not convinced their players join them for footballing reasons in the first place, and also, the one time the question really came up, the expectation was that Aguero would leave, given that both he and Jesus can't play together in a team that plays one striker. How has Pep resolved it? He's played them both. Which is what I'm proposing for Rashford and Martial. They very obviously cannot both be first choice left winger. Competition may be fine for a little while, but they won't compete forever, one has to establish themselves, and the other either becomes a sub or leaves. This is a logical projection.
Spot on.
A lot of people have quoted me, and to be honest I just cant be bothered with this anymore. I've said my bit, it is what it is.
If this is what people really believe, I am just wasting my time. I've repeatedly mentioned the context and dynamic of the games but whatever, I'm really just tired of this now. I don't know why I got sucked into this, same thing happened in the Perisic thread when I defended him. Martial will probably start against CSKA, I hope he does well and we get a positive result.
If this is what people really believe, I am just wasting my time. I've repeatedly mentioned the context and dynamic of the games but whatever, I'm really just tired of this now. I don't know why I got sucked into this, same thing happened in the Perisic thread when I defended him. Martial will probably start against CSKA, I hope he does well and we get a positive result.
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