Yeah, i thought so. Can you reopen it?
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It was reopened once but then the same mod who locked it the first time locked it again so I don't see the point if it is going to be locked again after a day or so.
Weird selection of players. Let's not start downplaying Beckham's and Giggs' contribution to the club.
Interested that this is just for starters. Go on, please continue the list.
As for the ones on there already: Beckham had absolutely zero overlap with Ronaldo's time at the club. Cantona is just about fair. Keane is pretty arguable, about as good a midfielder as Giggs was a winger (i.e. fantastic). Schmeichel as a better keeper than Beckham or Giggs were wingers is a massive stretch. He was great but no better than two other keepers we've had in the last 20 years.
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Weird. Fair enough.
Okay I see why you laughed at it now. You are completely oblivious of the point he was making. I guess not all of us have the patience to understand insightful analysis.
Terrible by Neville there. With it being on twitter, he could have come up with something more clever. Weak logic tbh. The more he talks, the more Neville displays his stupidity
Oh dear, that's terrible from Neville.
Who gives a toss what Neville has to say about Martial? I couldn't care less, he's a pundit paid to give his opinion, just because he does it on TV means feck-all as far as Martial is concerned, same with Scholes and Pogba. The only thing that matters is how Mourinho sees the situation, and clearly right now, he's seeing what most of us are seeing by favoring Martial over Rashford who is going through a tough spell at the moment. Pundits have a great gig, but whenever they say something and people respond as if their opinion had any actual impact on anything, it then becomes a bit silly. Neville's just exposing himself little by little, let him do that. He's done brilliant analysis at times, this was not one of those times.
I don't, I really hate it how some caftards keep talking about him as if his words are gospel
What he should have said is that Rashford is two years younger than Martial. No one can expect great performances every week from someone who just turned 20. Both of them are great talents and both will become incredible players when they are a few years older. Let's just stop comparing them and enjoy their development
No chance mate
Rooney was awful that game and neville wouldn't criticize him. If anything it suited the anti English criticism brigade
In terms of goals maybe, but I’d say Martial overall has been much more reliable, capable and overall impressive. Rashford’s been frustrating for a while now.
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You explained and that was what I got from it. You found it insightful, I didn't. I found it as something which Neville said just to praise Rooney when in fact there wasn't anything to praise him for. Where's the problem?
Not to mention Neville rarely if ever criticized Rooney for his performances.
Btw are you agreeing with Neville on Martial?
Since mid November I'd agree. Before that I think Rashford was more consistent.
I'm not agreeing on Martial. Neville has his moments of brain farts but I see that silent domination episode laughed at on here whereas I really don't see what it was that Neville said wrong there. He does seem to favor English players and Rooney but that episode (and many others) he showed insight.
Lets agree to disagree. Neville basically said just that Rooney was there, near the defenders and thus he dominated them silently.
Neville has these brain farts too often. He tries too hard to be neutral and then he says some stupid things. Not to mention the bashing of foreign United players all the while praising English ones or not commenting when they're having stinkers.
The Rooney analysis was ridiculous because he kept using clips of Rooney drifting here and there but never gave us the penetration through the middle. Which was apparently a good thing. Because it was Rooney the player.
Not long after he criticised the same tactics for not giving us runners in behind which allowed the defence to pressure high up and smother our midfield. Which wasn't the players fault, it was LVG
Both sets of clips were almost identical but we were winning in the first example and were tumescent in the second.
Not long after he criticised the same tactics for not giving us runners in behind which allowed the defence to pressure high up and smother our midfield. Which wasn't the players fault, it was LVG
Both sets of clips were almost identical but we were winning in the first example and were tumescent in the second.
I love your idea that there’s a big conspiracy against Rooney and the class of 92, it’s genuinely laughable. The players were undisputed legends, but if they express ridiculous, somewhat damaging opinions, do you not expect a group of united fans on a forum to criticise? Or is your answer to everything that we all have an agenda against the class of 92?
Martial won the September and October player of the month awards. How could you say he was less consistent. He was arguably our best player during those 2 months.
What, when he was coming off the bench against tired defences and scoring a few consolation goals?
His best moments all season were the winner against Tottenham and the goal against Everton last week.
Pogba and Lukaku were clearly our best players at the start of the season.
Surely you can give more credit than that. Martial has been good this season especially in big games. He was the one who created chance for Lukaku missed against Liverpool, he was the one who made an assist for Lingard's goal and also created chance for Lingard hit the post against Arsenal, he was the one who created chance for Lukaku against City. But you can only remember his goal against Spurs.
Not just top sides, he has also scored some important goal against the lesser side. His performance against CSKA was brilliant, contributed in all our 4 goals. He scored our 3rd goal against Watford in our 4-2 victory, he scored the first goal against Newcastle which in that game we were 1-0 down before he scored. But you can only remember his goals the ones came from the bench & the goal against Everton recently.
Even when he doesn't contribute directly with the goals, Martial has been constantly a threat to any opposition players with his dribble & link up play. Any opposition players will need to foul him in order to stop him as a result he wins us free kick from dangerous spot or even penalties. For example Mata's free kick goal against Leicester came from Martial won the free kick.
If he plays more minutes he would have scored more goals and more people like you & Gary Neville will notice his contribution this season.
Nah Martial was even then making a huge impact, just in the league it was more him being subbed on with Rashford starting, and Martial starting the other games. Would say Martial's been clearly a more refined player and clearly looking a level above the entire season. Rashford had good form but he's been inconsistent even when he had his form. Standard for someone his age.
I don't understand how this is even up for debate. Rooney managed to stink the place up for 2 years, and I mean genuinely stink it up, playing like Mikhi has been for the last month. And during one of his diabolically bad performances, Neville came up with the silent domination cr@p. He's obviously biased when it comes to English players, but not saying anything would have been much better if he didn't feel like bashing one of his mates.
And for the " we're disrespecting the achievements of the class of 92", no one is. Giggs is still highly respected on here as an ex-player, deplorable human being or not, and no one in their right mind would criticize him for waiting for an opportunity to manage us, I would not turn down such a job. The board are the ones to blame if that was really what was in their minds.
Scholes, since retiring, has had some rather harsh things to say about the team, but none of it seems to be more than what a disgruntled fan would say, and doesn't particularly bother me with anything he says, most of his views are shared by most on here, but because people seem to think he's only supposed say brilliant things about us, he is held to some tough standards. Doesn't seem a well " pronounced " person in any case. Still my favorite ever united player
Now for Gary Neville, when he started his job as a pundit, his analysis seemed spot on, and talked a lot of sense. But some of the bullstuff he sprouts is frankly ridiculous with his pro English player views. Gets a bit old especially with Carragher coming up with more sensible comments, tough to swallow.
And for the " we're disrespecting the achievements of the class of 92", no one is. Giggs is still highly respected on here as an ex-player, deplorable human being or not, and no one in their right mind would criticize him for waiting for an opportunity to manage us, I would not turn down such a job. The board are the ones to blame if that was really what was in their minds.
Scholes, since retiring, has had some rather harsh things to say about the team, but none of it seems to be more than what a disgruntled fan would say, and doesn't particularly bother me with anything he says, most of his views are shared by most on here, but because people seem to think he's only supposed say brilliant things about us, he is held to some tough standards. Doesn't seem a well " pronounced " person in any case. Still my favorite ever united player
Now for Gary Neville, when he started his job as a pundit, his analysis seemed spot on, and talked a lot of sense. But some of the bullstuff he sprouts is frankly ridiculous with his pro English player views. Gets a bit old especially with Carragher coming up with more sensible comments, tough to swallow.
This whole class of '92 disrespect BS is silly. If you're talking shite, I don't care what your achievements have been, you should be called out on it. It doesn't mean anybody's forgetting the achievements of that class, it just means you're talking out of your arse and you deserve to be called out on it.
Still going with that rhetoric? Ask Rashford about that, since he can't do the same now that he's the one facing the tired defenses and unable to score those consolation goals. You make it sound like anybody could have the impact he had in the little minutes he played at the start of the season, but then again you've had something against him in every post I've read of yours in this thread. When he has a good game, you're nowhere to be seen for the next few pages of the thread. I guess the statute of limitation has passed now so you can recycle your classics.
Still going with that rhetoric? Ask Rashford about that, since he can't do the same now that he's the one facing the tired defenses and unable to score those consolation goals. You make it sound like anybody could have the impact he had in the little minutes he played at the start of the season, but then again you've had something against him in every post I've read of yours in this thread. When he has a good game, you're nowhere to be seen for the next few pages of the thread. I guess the statute of limitation has passed now so you can recycle your classics.
Don't bother mate, I'm all for having differing opinions, but the absolute state of some of the agenda driven comments on here...
The Class of 92 would know a lot more about what makes a United player than any of us.
After all they’ve been around the club for the better part of 3 decades. They’ve seen players come and go, and if Neville and Scholes think Martial isn’t a United player then I’m inclined to agree with them. I see nothing that suggests he will have a Giggs or a Beckham or a Best-like legacy here. Right now hes looking like an inconsistent luxury player who has more bad games than good.
Yes he’s only young but so were Memphis Depay and Wilfred Zaha. So why did we give up on them so quickly? He was our top scorer in probably our worst ever season, attacking wise. And that was almost 3 seasons ago. To put this into perspective, players like Gotze, Jese and Shaqiri were all highly rated back then. Times change.
Going forward, I don’t think he’s the right choice on the left wing. I think we need to sign someone with proper pace rather than someone who constantly wants the ball at their feet so they can attempt to dribble past 6 defenders and then sulk when it doesn’t work out.
Perisic is more fitting for the role and I can only imagine the reason the majority of United fans don’t want him is due to his age. I think that’s ridiculous. Zidane signed for Real Madrid when he was 29. And yet nowadays you get a dirty look when you suggest we sign a 30 year old world class midfielder like Nainggolan or Vidal. We have enough “prospects” in the Team. We need to sign finished products at the top of their game. That’s how Mourinho won the league before.
Martial scored last week but trust me, he will have off games again. And people will still make excuses for him. It’s the same with Luke Shaw and to a lesser extent, Herrera and Smalling. It’s like some of our fans don’t want us to win the league or something.
After all they’ve been around the club for the better part of 3 decades. They’ve seen players come and go, and if Neville and Scholes think Martial isn’t a United player then I’m inclined to agree with them. I see nothing that suggests he will have a Giggs or a Beckham or a Best-like legacy here. Right now hes looking like an inconsistent luxury player who has more bad games than good.
Yes he’s only young but so were Memphis Depay and Wilfred Zaha. So why did we give up on them so quickly? He was our top scorer in probably our worst ever season, attacking wise. And that was almost 3 seasons ago. To put this into perspective, players like Gotze, Jese and Shaqiri were all highly rated back then. Times change.
Going forward, I don’t think he’s the right choice on the left wing. I think we need to sign someone with proper pace rather than someone who constantly wants the ball at their feet so they can attempt to dribble past 6 defenders and then sulk when it doesn’t work out.
Perisic is more fitting for the role and I can only imagine the reason the majority of United fans don’t want him is due to his age. I think that’s ridiculous. Zidane signed for Real Madrid when he was 29. And yet nowadays you get a dirty look when you suggest we sign a 30 year old world class midfielder like Nainggolan or Vidal. We have enough “prospects” in the Team. We need to sign finished products at the top of their game. That’s how Mourinho won the league before.
Martial scored last week but trust me, he will have off games again. And people will still make excuses for him. It’s the same with Luke Shaw and to a lesser extent, Herrera and Smalling. It’s like some of our fans don’t want us to win the league or something.
How many times have you watched Perisic this season?
Martial has magic in his boots.
We should be playing him as much as possible.
If giggs and scholes know so much why don't they go manage a team then and show us how it is done.
Knowing what it takes to be a player and havin your own drive and determination is completely different than managing, nurturing or identifying talent. It's a different thing altogether.
You already know you aren't taken seriously in this thread. Save the tripe for elsewhere.
None of us are managers either so by your own logic, you wouldn’t know what you’re talking about either.
You don’t have to be a football manager to judge players. They know the club better than anyone.
A lot of fans just want shiny new players regardless of whether or not they have the United mentality. You can always tell when a player doesn’t have it and to be honest, I’m not seeing it in Martial.
True. How dare martial ever have off games, lest people have the gall to DEFEND him for having a slight form dip. Knives out for Martial eh?
I never said I know what it takes to be a united player but what martial has shown is magic and skill in final third something we basically haven't had since fergie left. I want to see him play as much as possible at moment while he is in good form and watch him develop. He won't do that if he doesn't play and he is he one player in final third this season who looks like he can unlock things for us consistently.
He’s been having a “slight dip in form” since 2015, mate.
A few consolation goals against tired defences when we’re 2 or 3 goals ahead doesn’t change that. Spurs and Everton game aside, he’s been mostly underwhelming this season. The stats don’t tell the whole story.
Rarely ever does he ever unlock a defence for us. Lately it’s been Lingard doing all that.... And getting half the credit, might I add.
Mata is probably our only real creative player considering Mkhitaryan is playing horrendous at the minute..... Unless you count Ashley Young’s crosses which seems to be our primary attacking outlet these days.
If it wasn’t for Lingard, we would be screwed.
Did Giggs and Scholes say Martial isn't a Man United player? If so, god forbid they go into management. If you cant see after all this time that he has huge potential then there's something wrong with you. Does he have alot of weaknesses? Sure, but that's true for every youngster not named Mpabbe. Give us here at United we've been fortunate enough to see plenty players develop we should understand how this development process works.
That tweet just comes across as local lad bias. You have to do pretty well to criticise Martial over Rashford based on the last ten games or so.
Men this deal about criticising the post and not the poster is damn difficult.
How can someone even attempt to compare the shit Zaha and Memphis served up at united with what Martial has delivered in his less than 3 years spell at the club?
And Martial has not open up defenses for us in the past? are some of theseposts for real? He hasnt got us out of sticky situations this season? Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton for starters?
Perhaps the most creative touch in our entire season came in his pass to Lingard agaisnt arsenal. If you really want to analyse it , you will see for yourself that Martial has made more creative pass than Lingard even during Lingards run with form despite the lather playing in the NO 10 position.
Go check most of Lukaku`s goal this season and you will see is either Martial, Pogba or Mikhi that have assisted him on most occasions, but naah is not creative enough.
And I dont get the fasciantion with having a winger that goes to the byline to cross, is just ridiculous especially when all the top teams dont paly like that anymore.
This is not trying to absolve Martial that he has no weakness in his game but hell we all know he is a special talent.
@Jaybomb
How can someone even attempt to compare the shit Zaha and Memphis served up at united with what Martial has delivered in his less than 3 years spell at the club?
And Martial has not open up defenses for us in the past? are some of theseposts for real? He hasnt got us out of sticky situations this season? Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton for starters?
Perhaps the most creative touch in our entire season came in his pass to Lingard agaisnt arsenal. If you really want to analyse it , you will see for yourself that Martial has made more creative pass than Lingard even during Lingards run with form despite the lather playing in the NO 10 position.
Go check most of Lukaku`s goal this season and you will see is either Martial, Pogba or Mikhi that have assisted him on most occasions, but naah is not creative enough.
And I dont get the fasciantion with having a winger that goes to the byline to cross, is just ridiculous especially when all the top teams dont paly like that anymore.
This is not trying to absolve Martial that he has no weakness in his game but hell we all know he is a special talent.
@Jaybomb
Not true, how many creative final pass has Mata or even Lingard made this season? Your arguement is without facts and I had urged @Damien to provide us with facts. Not taking into account all the set piece Mata gets to take.
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