Yeah I agree. Still a long way to go for him but at least he's here and he's capable of reaching those heights. I think he's more refined in his technique than Dybala, he just needs to be more consistent with it. Dybala still a to player though and currently ahead of Martial.
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Yeah I agree. Still a long way to go for him but at least he's here and he's capable of reaching those heights. I think he's more refined in his technique than Dybala, he just needs to be more consistent with it. Dybala still a to player though and currently ahead of Martial.
I don't think him not seeing out the 90 minutes when he starts is a big deal a lot of the time, Mourinho used to do that with Ozil all of the time at Real, I think he automatically takes off his least defensively capable forward in games he wants to see out, I'd be curious to see Hazard's stats in this regard under him at Chelsea.
Don't know about goals but here's where the percentage of shots are from:
Sterling
36/53 penalty area (67.9%)
5/53 six yard box (9.4%)
12/53 outside box (22.6%)
Martial
10/25 penalty area (40%)
4/25 six yard box (16%)
11/25 outside box (44%)
He's only not been selected when injured for the last few months? What games are you watching? Rashford is right wing or striker now or indeed brought on to replace Martial. He's been playing on a very regular basis and to be honest he's not played anywhere near as well as he can. Odd glimpses here and there, which are raved on about. But nothing consistent and never talking the game and dominating play, which he did early in the season when he was being subbed on for Rashford.
Uuuummmmm not really, they might both be exceptional talents and Dybala is probably more of a finished product. But they are not alike in anyway beyond that.
I love both of them but I just can’t see us getting Dybala but him playing at the point of a diamond behind Martial and Lukaku sounds great to me.
Similar ilk, talentwise. Atleast in 2015/2016, they were. Our kid has stagnated a bit.
He's probably the player with the biggest upside in our side but I think its going to take an attacking coach to get the best out of him.
Although Nani was very talented he didn't have the "depth" or extra dimension to his game like Martial does (potentially does?). I am not down playing Nani but I could never picture Nani willing a Ballon'dor and although it's not likely Martial will either he could
Nani had amazing potential, consistency was his only problem. How can you forget the season he Rooney and Berbatov were smashing the league to pieces? the 9/10 year?
Some brilliant finishes there. He's not as reliant on tucking it into the bottom right-hand corner as some people like to believe. Decent headers too.
Some players never develop this long range shooting, all I want is that they put the ball in, take Messi, majority of his goals are from inside the box and they aren't banged it they are placed accurately. Martial is that type of player, I'd rather we have players who place it accurately rather than take speculative shots from outside the box hoping one will go in.
Though it is the Martial thread, i couldn't help but notice the glaring difference in Lukaku's physic, from Martial slotting home v. West Ham and to his goal against Watford. Lukaku has gone from tall and lean, to kind of flat? Maybe it's just me, reading to much into physical presence and his decline in goal scoring form.
Lot's of love for Tony, seems like his back on track, in regards to reaching the heights of his promising potential!
I always thought that criticism of that aspect of his game funny. He’s a right footed player coming from the left hand side. The easiest and most efficient place to put the ball is going to be the far right corner.
There was actually a sizeable portion of this thread dedicated to slagging that bit and his supposed non striking of a ball correctly hence why he doesn’t shoot from range or something
Exactly; several were claiming he lacked variety. I'd say he's quite good at deciding when to use certain finishes (when to chip, etc) and as a lot of the time he's coming from the left, it's obvious that he'll mainly aim for that far corner.I always thought that criticism of that aspect of his game funny. He’s a right footed player coming from the left hand side. The easiest and most efficient place to put the ball is going to be the far right corner.
There was actually a sizeable portion of this thread dedicated to slagging that bit and his supposed non striking of a ball correctly hence why he doesn’t shoot from range or something
He was amazing with what he could do. Just didn't have that Ballon'dor level ability.
Yep. Lukaku isn’t the problem with this team - no single player is.
The difference between the Monaco clips and our clips is breath taking. We must be the only team in the world that has to face 8-9 men in the opposite box everytime we're making an attack, no wonder we've had trouble since LvG at scoring many goals per game.
Anyways, I think we should play a two man up front system, this guy has to be against the first or second CB, not against their Right Midfielder, exquisite player, I hope we manage to turn him into a World Class player and he stays here for many more years because he is simply amazing, my favourite United player atm.
Well, he's only just turned 22... maybe it's as simple as that.
This just shows how much of a tap ins player Sterling has been. Normally a player his age with his season scoring rate so far would have looked special in my eyes yet I still feel like he's only okeish to good, not special.
Maybe it's because I've only seen tap ins from him this season and his game isn't anything special either. Than again one finding himself in those easy goalscoring position is a talent in itself as I've heard, so he has that at least in my eyes.
He and Rashford are sharing duties. Both unfortunately are more effective as left sided wingers/wing forwards, outside of their favored center forward slot. Till one of them learns to play on the right, It wont change
But the tag of least defensively capable does not apply to Martial any longer. Both he and Rashford have got better and better defensively under Mourinho to the point its really not a weakness in their game.
Was about to post the same reply, thanks @Damien for the stats and they seem to back up my claim of Sterling scoring easier chances
It's not that he doesn't try, but if Jose is looking at him, Mata, Rashford and Lingard, it's usually him and Mata that get the hook when he wants to tighten the ship for the last 15 minutes or so.
Im convinced its because he shares duties with Rashford. Mata simply has to be taken off though. Besides, to close out games you tend to want to reduce the attacking players that like the ball to feet from a tactical stand point
The bolded part is obviously far from the truth, and has more to do with our inabillity to move the ball fast on the transition from defence to attack. When we manage to move it with some speed it fizzles out more times than not due to 1) bad decision making or 2) poor execution of the final pass.
Mkhi had two players to aim for early on in the last game after a quick break, and handed it to the keeper. I remember this vividly since I found quite a few hairs in my hand after the move failed
He can become world class player, he has the potential, but the rest is down to him working his way up. I'd like to see us play with Martial as CF (without Lukaku) more often in a 4-3-3 formation with interchanging front three.
He needs some games as a CF to get used to it. Cause right now he only played on the wing and while hes somewhat effective there I think he can become just as good if not better as CF and we need different type of players on the wings than what we have currently.
He needs some games as a CF to get used to it. Cause right now he only played on the wing and while hes somewhat effective there I think he can become just as good if not better as CF and we need different type of players on the wings than what we have currently.
Personally, I think his issue is more to do with stamina and putting out a consistent effort throughout 90 minutes. I know that was a complaint of Deschamps with France. He seems to run on fumes at times in the second half.
I think thats just deceptive. Like the complaint many had with Berbatov. He wasnt tired.
Your point is what exactly cause that's just a load of words. This place is amazing, someone's says a football is round and someone with argue with you that it's circular. People like you deliver your opinion like it's a science. Your entitled to it but in mine I've seen a massive improvement in his football. I'm not looking at just his forward play but I reckon he's tracked back more and made more tackles so far this season than the rest put together.
Didn’t have time to adress this last paragraph in your post, but I agree about the two strikers, or simply give him some more freedom to influence the game where he can find some space in the oppos half. Martial seems to be able to link up well with all of our attacking players, while Rashford, despite his explosive pace, power and technique, seems incapable of this at this time.
I can very well picture Martial as a wide playmaker in the Ribery mould, only with more goals and (hopefully) less appetite for women who are too young.
Biggest plus for Martial is his great finishing. Most flair talents can't finish off the chances their trickery creates. Was the same with Nani. When you watch Hazard you get the feeling that's one aspect that keeps him a level below the Ronaldo/Messi tier.
Hopeful Martial can reach or surpass Hazard
Hopeful Martial can reach or surpass Hazard
Your opinion was based on he wasn't being selected, so. Let's just agree, that was very wrong.
He is superior to all those young players apparently linked with us.
To play for Man United in this moment will not be easy to any U-23.
To play for Man United in this moment will not be easy to any U-23.
Mourinho sorted it out over the summer. Rashford used to have that issue too. Right now, I insist, he and Rashford cant play 90 minutes yet they literally share a role in the team and are too good to just bench.
Placing the ball to far corner is not easiest and the most efficientI always thought that criticism of that aspect of his game funny. He’s a right footed player coming from the left hand side. The easiest and most efficient place to put the ball is going to be the far right corner.
There was actually a sizeable portion of this thread dedicated to slagging that bit and his supposed non striking of a ball correctly hence why he doesn’t shoot from range or something
. You need to open your body and create angle and right technique to pull it off. Remember that here dribbling at pace, so you have to focus on control your dribbling not over dribbling (closing your angle) by going too close to the defenders.Ronaldo blasted the ball to bend the direction toward far corner instead of placing it. Sometimes he Blind shooting with instinct at near corner cutting inside. You can't just say the way Martial finishes is natural for any wide forward cutting from left side.
First part very true. Same goes for almost all our players. Makes me want to sign ozil
I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Have you ever played as a striker? Because ask any in the scenarios I just put forth the space to score is going to be on the far right coming from the left. It’s clearly not going to be the left hand side as that is where a keeper should be covering and if you drive it straight it’s easier for a keeper to block not to mention it’s harder to control a shot like that so the easiest and most proficient place is the far right hand corner.Placing the ball to far corner is not easiest and the most efficient
Ronaldo blasted the ball to bend the direction toward far corner instead of placing it. Sometimes he Blind shooting with instinct at near corner cutting inside. You can't just say the way Martial finishes is natural for any wide forward cutting from left side.
I think I know what my view was on and it wasn't purely about being selected, it was about why I thought he should be. I didn't offer anything other than I think his profile in the club should be the same as the others already mentioned. If you don't that's your opinion....
You are probably right, and I think this is a stop gap until Jose signs someone who can.
It is so frustrating when you think about it. 2 talented young players who flourish in the same position
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