[Dobbs]

Overrated. He's a level above Lingard and Rashford and can do some flashy tricks. He is not world class. His technique is above average but his overall contribution is strictly average.

I honestly do not see why one season in which he did well should be a marker. It could well be a freak season. But at the same time, I am obviously not recommending giving up on him. Get in better players and send him out on loan to La Liga. He has shown he can cope with the physicality of the league, so La Liga is the perfect place to hone his technique.

What is this? So much stuff wrong with it.

How about we give a young player some consistent game time in his best postion and then evaluate him?

 

[Kapardin]

What is this? So much stuff wrong with it.

How about we give a young player some consistent game time in his best postion and then evaluate him?

If we have a squad like PSG or City when we are actually in a comfortable position winning things, this is the time to bring in youth.

However, when our squad is littered with mediocrity and we find ourselves trying to climb back to the top, youth development should be shelved. As the other poster has said, this insistence on youth development during a period of transition by fans is unreasonable and is shackling Mourinho. Not that he is not to blame at all, but the priority should first be to get to the level of other elite clubs before focusing on other things.

The more inconsistent youth is, the more points we drop. Something we cannot afford now. We have no breathing room to give consistent game time to inconsistent young players.

 

[Offside]

Another example of people doubting a players talent when they are clearly being mismanaged. He is underperforming and constantly dropped without reason. You have to point fingers at the management when every single other attacking player is the same.

 

[Kapardin]

Another example of people doubting a players talent when they are clearly being mismanaged. He is underperforming and constantly dropped without reason. You have to point fingers at the management when every single other attacking player is the same.

On the contrary, even Martial's detractors accept that he has potential. The simple point we are making is, mismanaged or not, we do not have the window to test young players at the moment. We first need to sort ourselves out before having that luxury. Experienced, proven players, even if mismanaged like you say, will still drag us through by individual skill, but not youth. And this is hardly a healthy situation to "develop" youth anyway.

City can play their U-18s for the next 3 games, lose them all and still be in a comfortable position because they have quality in their first team. We however, need to buy better players and pad our squad before trying out youth who are bound to be inconsistent.

We are not a nursery at the moment. The best solution is to get a LW and loan Martial out. Nobody is saying we should sell him, just keep him away from the team for a season or two while getting in an experienced winger.

 

[Dobbs]

If we have a squad like PSG or City when we are actually in a comfortable position winning things, this is the time to bring in youth.

However, when our squad is littered with mediocrity and we find ourselves trying to climb back to the top, youth development should be shelved. As the other poster has said, this insistence on youth development during a period of transition by fans is unreasonable and is shackling Mourinho. Not that he is not to blame at all, but the priority should first be to get to the level of other elite clubs before focusing on other things.

The more inconsistent youth is, the more points we drop. Something we cannot afford now. We have no breathing room to give consistent game time to inconsistent young players.

What's your cut off age? We can't have any players under......?

 

[Treble]

On the contrary, even Martial's detractors accept that he has potential. The simple point we are making is, mismanaged or not, we do not have the window to test young players at the moment. We first need to sort ourselves out before having that luxury. Experienced, proven players, even if mismanaged like you say, will still drag us through by individual skill, but not youth. And this is hardly a healthy situation to "develop" youth anyway.

City can play their U-18s for the next 3 games, lose them all and still be in a comfortable position because they have quality in their first team. We however, need to buy better players and pad our squad before trying out youth who are bound to be inconsistent.

We are not a nursery at the moment. The best solution is to get a LW and loan Martial out. Nobody is saying we should sell him, just keep him away from the team for a season or two while getting in an experienced winger.

Do you realise that City's attacking line is 21-20-23?

 

[Kapardin]

Do you realise that City's attacking line is 21-20-23?

Yes, and they have De Bruyne, Aguero, Fernandinho and Silva. Once we get that core and get to the top of the league, we can play teenyboppers on the wings for sure.

Like I said, Martial might be as talented as Sane and co, but it does both the youth and our team no good to develop them right now in this situation.

EDIT: As far as talented youth go, I am only talking about Martial here who has potential. Don't rate Rashford, who to me will go on to be a midtable player. Fact is, we overrate youth as well.

 

[el3mel]

Regarding his potential I think he's Ok. He'll clearly be better than Rashford long term it's obvious, he's more talented, have better composure and better technical aspects. He's also clearly not a Ballon D'Or potential though, as some think he'll become.

I'm sure he'll be a very good player here and as I said previously with Lukaku absent he's our best shot as a number 9 at the moment, but I don't think he's currently the kind of player to be fully dependent on as a team, as he's still very inconsistent and it's normal in this age.

I'm all for bringing a top class senior player to play over both him and Rashford while giving both a support role in the team till they develop much more consistency. As much as some want us to keep depending on them 100% till they develop, I love the team more and I don't mind an elite, more consistent player to come and play above both.

 

[Ban]

We need instant results and players like Martial aren’t gonna get us that. We need proper Mourinho players. He wasn’t afraid to buy them at Chelsea so why is he afraid to buy them at United?

If this was Chelsea, he would have shipped off Martial and bought in Perisic already. But he’s too cautious about the backlash of “not playing youth”... I’m positive it’s playing on his mind. Mourinho must want experienced players. He always has done.

Mensah, Tuanzebe and Pereira look like Mourinho players to me. Even McTominay looks like his style of midfielder. So there is some potential for him to play youth... but Martial and Shaw, not so much.

Ship Martial out? Great plan. Luckily it didn't go like that.

 

[Jaybomb]

Ship Martial out? Great plan. Luckily it didn't go like that.

Why? Where has playing Martial on the wing got us?

 

[Ban]

Why? Where has playing Martial on the wing got us?

To 8 goals and 8 assists this season. From a guy who isn't even a winger to start with.

 

[M Bison]

The lads a myth, has a stormer 1 every 10 or so games but the difference in him and the wide players of our top 4 rivals is scary. Just not as good as we would like him to be.

 

[Owngoalscorer]

OT would be like a roundabout with players coming n going every weekend if some of you knuts on here had your way.

 

[Damien]

Coaching plays a factor. Comment from a Chelsea fan:

Our attacking play (movement, patters, where players are positioned, where we start attacking moves) looks light years better under Conte and yet we haven't sacrificed anything defensively.

Movement, positioning, where he starts his attacking moves from are all complaints we've had about Martial (and our other players). Watch the other teams play. Personnel isn't our biggest problem. It is the tactics.

 

[Rajma]

The lads a myth, has a stormer 1 every 10 or so games but the difference in him and the wide players of our top 4 rivals is scary. Just not as good as we would like him to be.

Because he's not a wide player and just being shrank there. r

 

[kouroux]

He's being ruined by the manager IMHO. Yes he is far from perfect but Mourinho isn't the manager to elevate him to higher heights.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Needs a better coach, as do all our attacking players, only Lingard seems to be able to do it off his own back.

The fact Mata has suddenly looked one of our best attacker recently speaks volumes.

 

[redIndianDevil]

On the contrary, even Martial's detractors accept that he has potential. The simple point we are making is, mismanaged or not, we do not have the window to test young players at the moment. We first need to sort ourselves out before having that luxury. Experienced, proven players, even if mismanaged like you say, will still drag us through by individual skill, but not youth. And this is hardly a healthy situation to "develop" youth anyway.

City can play their U-18s for the next 3 games, lose them all and still be in a comfortable position because they have quality in their first team. We however, need to buy better players and pad our squad before trying out youth who are bound to be inconsistent.

We are not a nursery at the moment. The best solution is to get a LW and loan Martial out. Nobody is saying we should sell him, just keep him away from the team for a season or two while getting in an experienced winger.

We do not have the window to test him? What the feck did I just read! We don't have anyone else mate, it's not like we have a Ronaldo in the team and we are crying for Martial to be given game time over him, there is literally nobody else(apart from Rashford who is even more dogshite). If this is not the time I don't know when is.

 

[redIndianDevil]

He started too wide from the moment he came on. Neither Young nor Shaw were stretching the Southampton defence, Shaw basically stood behind to stop counter attacks, Young too so Southampton easily defended deep and crowded him out.

 

[Loublaze]

The lads a myth, has a stormer 1 every 10 or so games but the difference in him and the wide players of our top 4 rivals is scary. Just not as good as we would like him to be.

In the last three seasons, Hazard has scored 25 goals and recorded eight assists in 84 Premier League appearances. In the same time, Martial has scored 20 goals and recorded 13 assists in 72 appearances. Squawka and current to the best of my knowledge and research

 

[M Bison]

Because he's not a wide player and just being shrank there. r

Nah, easy to make excuses for him, his returns are poor. Wouldn’t get in any of our rivals teams.

 

[M Bison]

In the last three seasons, Hazard has scored 25 goals and recorded eight assists in 84 Premier League appearances. In the same time, Martial has scored 20 goals and recorded 13 assists in 72 appearances. Squawka and current to the best of my knowledge and research

If we’re comparing with Hazard he wouldn’t get any where near the Chelsea side, or City, Liverpool or Spurs for that matter.

If we’re relying on him to drive our front line we’re going to be very disappointed.

 

[Loublaze]

If we’re comparing with Hazard he wouldn’t get any where near the Chelsea side, or City, Liverpool or Spurs for that matter.

If we’re relying on him to drive our front line we’re going to be very disappointed.

Nonsense and you know it.

 

[Rajma]

Nah, easy to make excuses for him, his returns are poor. Wouldn’t get in any of our rivals teams.

Do you mean playing Kane, Morata, Aguero, or Jesus out-wide as wingers wouldn't hurt their output?

 

[Ban]

If we’re comparing with Hazard he wouldn’t get any where near the Chelsea side, or City, Liverpool or Spurs for that matter.

Sorry but that's bs.

 

[Rajma]

He's being ruined by the manager IMHO. Yes he is far from perfect but Mourinho isn't the manager to elevate him to higher heights.

He so obviously lacks guidance in certain situations when it comes to movement, nothing that couldn't be done with a bit of the coaching.

 

[M Bison]

Sorry but that's bs.

Not a chance.

 

[M Bison]

Nonsense and you know it.

Who would you drop from Liverpool’s or Spurs front 4 to accommodate him? Perhaps I’m being unfair but I just don’t see it.

 

[Ban]

Not a chance.

Fair enough. You don't rate the guy.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Our biggest attacking power. Only player in our swuad who can dribble past player . Must olay every game. And we need someone like him on other wing

 

[Damien]

Who would you drop from Liverpool’s or Spurs front 4 to accommodate him? Perhaps I’m being unfair but I just don’t see it.

You do know Spurs tried to sign him last summer? He would have played instead of Son.

 

[M Bison]

You do know Spurs tried to sign him last summer? He would have played instead of Son.

Not really the point of my question, but in any case I’m sure Spurs wouldn’t swap him for Son now.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Who would you drop from Liverpool’s or Spurs front 4 to accommodate him? Perhaps I’m being unfair but I just don’t see it.

He is better/even with mane and son and pedro and sane . And i don't care if i am becoming stupid here but we didn't have that kind of talented player since ronaldo and he is only our player who can make difference by his own.

 

[M Bison]

He is better/even with mane and son and pedro and sane . And i don't care if i am becoming stupid here but we didn't have that kind of talented player since ronaldo and he is only our player who can make difference by his own.

Nonesense.

He’s no where near Sane or Son, absolutely miles off both of those. If we were offered a straight swap tomorrow we’d jump at it, ridiculous to suggest Martial is even close to either.

 

[Damien]

Not really the point of my question, but in any case I’m sure Spurs wouldn’t swap him for Son now.

Well with them bidding on Malcom they're looking for an upgrade in Son's position anyway and was only a few days ago Spurs fans said on their forum they'd be happy if we offered Martial and cash for Rose. It is just speculation and we'll never agree on this but in my opinion they'd take him over Son in their starting XI.

 

[Yagami]

Nonesense.

He’s no where near Sane or Son, absolutely miles off both of those. If we were offered a straight swap tomorrow we’d jump at it, ridiculous to suggest Martial is even close to either.

If Martial had an attacking manager like those two he'd hit new heights I'm sure of it. Just as talented as Sané and, despite how much I like him, is so much better than Son.

 

[M Bison]

Well with them bidding on Malcom they're looking for an upgrade in Son's position anyway and was only a few days ago Spurs fans said on their forum they'd be happy if we offered Martial and cash for Rose. It is just speculation and we'll never agree on this but in my opinion they'd take him over Son in their starting XI.

Son’s a cracking player, massively underrated imo.

I don’t look at the Spurs forum so I’ll take your word for it but I’d be amazed if the Spurs fans on here would swap Son for Martial.

 

[M Bison]

If Martial had an attacking manager like those two he'd hit new heights I'm sure of it. Just as talented as Sané and, despite how much I like him, is so much better than Son.

Based on nothing more than assumptions though, the outputs from Son and Sane are way ahead of Martial. Both look far more dangerous and give a lot more to the wider team than Martial too.

I can’t believe any Spurs or City fan would swap for Martial at present.

 

[Acole9]

He tried to do too much on his own tonight, in some ways I don't blame him because the rest of the attack were just bottling it. I wouldn't mind him starting up front vs Everton seeing as our only other option looks like it'll be Rashford.

 

[Yagami]

Based on nothing more than assumptions though, the outputs from Son and Sane are way ahead of Martial. Both look far more dangerous and give a lot more to the wider team than Martial too.

I can’t believe any Spurs or City fan would swap for Martial at present.

Based on what I've seen of him since joining. He hasn't been great under José but our attack as a whole has been a mess under him. It'd be hard for any player of his age to consistently put in quality performances week in week out when we have no plan whatsoever bar lumping it up to Fellaini and Lukaku.

Last season Sterling and Sané weren't setting the world alight but now that Pep's sorted their system out they're great. Spurs have good players but Pochettino took them up a level (along with Kane's development) and it was evident from his time at Southampton that he was very good at coaching cohesive attacking teams, which is why I wanted him to succeed Sir Alex at the time. The same would happen for Martial, imo. If we get in a manager who can coach a team to play good attacking football, coupled with a full back who can offer some support up front like Son and Sané receive, he'd be one of the best players in the league once everything gels. I'm positive of this.