[11101]

Didn't have his best day but he was still far more threatening than Mata or Rashford across the forward line. Should stay in the team for Arsenal.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Thought he was awful.

He still needs to add more elements to his game.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Do you have a spreadsheet which tells you what excuse to bring out when someone criticizes Martial?

ASHLEY YOUNG was running their fullback ragged and you are saying Martial had 3 defenders attached to his hips. Martial just waits and waits and waits for the ball and when he gets the ball he just waits and waits. Ashley Young gets into good positions, takes on his man as soon as he gets the ball, then puts a cross or shot in.

Some people are too blinded to notice, but Martial randomly stops after he beats a man instead of carrying on his run, which gives the the other team time to get numbers back. Then he cuts inside and runs into a dead end. His decision making is not good enough yet.

There were actually two points where he did have 3 players attached to his hip.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Wasn’t great today, none of them really were, all in all just a poor performance from the lot of them. Really wish Jose would just stick to a 433 it’s clearly the best formation for all players concerned. Ok it means dropping Zlatan, Mata and Miki but they would provide excellent options.
We’ll see the best out of Rom,Pogba, Martial and Rashford in such a formation I reckon.

 

[TRA007]

Very polarizing player, those that rate him tend to overdo it a bit, those that dont rate him always understate his abilities.
It must be remembered that he is still only 21 years old, cannot be expected to produce awesome dribbles and efficient end product game in game out.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Much like the team, he's very consistent in his inconsistency. Always works best when used off the bench (he always puts in a great performance then), which results in him earning a starting place in the first eleven, which then results in a poor performance.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Hed Zitin]

He's had far too many days like this. Not a top player if you keep on blowing hot and cold.

 

[Dobbs]

Like I've always thought he is extremely one dimensional. Dribbling is all he's got. He's very very good at it but it is still only one dimension. He'll never be the ballon dor world beater that so many like to believe because his all around game just isn't there and there have been no signs of inprovement to it.

Not saying this is the case but your post reads like you've never watched a young player develop from teen to mature performer.

There's so much more to come from any 21 year old. Never mind one with his talent.

 

[Home&Away]

He's had far too many days like this. Not a top player if you keep on blowing hot and cold.

Not a winger* - we have him and rashford spending most of the season as crossers for tanks like lukaku. They look shadows of their former selves and Jose is ruining their progression.

Both were top quality as CF.

 

[Hed Zitin]

Not a winger* - we have him and rashford spending most of the season as crossers for tanks like lukaku. They look shadows of their former selves and Jose is ruining their progression.

Both were top quality as CF.

He was more cold than hot as a forward. Amazing how people forget this. There were games where he did nothing up front for us. Completely out of the game.

His first touch is nothing special. His hold up is not good enough and his movement off the ball as has been well discussed is garbage. He isn't a CF.

 

[Neuron]

I think he'd benefit hugely in being coached by someone like Guardiola for 2-3 seasons, plus he'd also thrive in that sort of system.

He is really talented and I do love watching him play, but I'm just not sure that he'll ever develop the consistency and caliber of performance at United in order to be a world-class player here.

Obviously he's still 21 though, so who knows.

 

[Home&Away]

He was more cold than hot as a forward. Amazing how people forget this. There were games where he did nothing up front for us. Completely out of the game.

No he started off really well as a CF before going through a cold patch under LVG & either way he never got a chance to progress - neither is the football being played on the ground. Same thing with rashford. Look at the video on the Brazilian lad from Watford & look how he dribbles and plays a ball in whilst comparing to what martial does they are so different and that's because one is a natural winger whilst the other is a CF/ support striker with him having experience as a LW.

Either way; whether it's here or not - the guy is going to have a really good career somewhere; as a CF.

 

[Hed Zitin]

No he started off really well as a CF before going through a cold patch under LVG & either way he never got a chance to progress - neither is the football being played on the ground. Same thing with rashford. Look at the video on the Brazilian lad from Watford & look how he dribbles and plays a ball in whilst comparing to what martial does they are so different and that's because one is a natural winger whilst the other is a CF/ support striker with him having experience as a LW.

Either way; whether it's here or not - the guy is going to have a really good career somewhere; as a CF.

Richarlison has more grasp of movement off the ball than Martial can dream of. An extremely important trait for a CF that cannot rely on strength and relies on pace.

Right now all he has is good dribbling skills and even then he has too many days like today where he isn't going past anyone. If you can dribble then you get played out wide. He is never going to be a CF at this club. I don't now why this keeps getting banged on about. It is never happening. So get your shit together and perform out wide.

 

[Home&Away]

Richarlison has more grasp of movement off the ball than Martial can dream of. An extremely important trait for a CF that cannot rely on strength and relies on pace.

Right now all he has is good dribbling skills and even then he has too many days like today where he isn't going past anyone.

Richarlispn also has acceleration and hell of a cross and ability to beat his man on the outside that martial can't do because of how he dribbles - when he is in a central position or at least a LF he has the ability to take on defenders inside and out much easier.

Current system revolves around lukaku and possibly now ibrahimpvic - until then martial & rashford have to take a back seat.

 

[Hed Zitin]

Richarlispn also has acceleration and hell of a cross and ability to beat his man on the outside that martial can't do because of how he dribbles - when he is in a central position or at least a LF he has the ability to take on defenders inside and out much easier.

Current system revolves around lukaku and possibly now ibrahimpvic - until then martial & rashford have to take a back seat.

When you have Lukaku and Ibra no manager is picking them over those two. Just never going to happen.

 

[Home&Away]

When you have Lukaku and Ibra no manager is picking them over those two. Just never going to happen.

Martial & Rashford would not be dropped or picked over lukaku by any manager who prefers to play football on the ground. Martial & rashford are more suited to city than united atm & that due to the way the manager prefers to play football.

Selling martial is going to be our debut bryune, salah etc etc - no one should sell a player because of their inability to fit in to José's system; he is a short term manager of only 3 years with a unflexible tactics with undrppable players.

We shall agree to disagree

 

[Sayros]

I always enjoy the complete change of narrative when it comes to Martial from game to game, it's a more thrilling ride than any roller-coaster, got more twists than a M. Night Shyamalawhatever movie.

 

[VorZakone]

I always enjoy the complete change of narrative when it comes to Martial from game to game, it's a more thrilling ride than any roller-coaster, got more twists than a M. Night Shyamalawhatever movie.

I like how you were only an 'n' short of spelling Shyamalan correctly.

 

[bosnian_red]

He's had far too many days like this. Not a top player if you keep on blowing hot and cold.

Shock horror a 21 year old isn't consistently brilliant. Because Rooney and Ronaldo were absolutely world class in 05/06 (not even mentioning the play style differences of Fergie building his team around those 2 and Mourinho building his attack towards a target man).

Also even the likes of Pogba and Ibra blew hot and cold last season. Undoubtedly world class players. It's just Mourinho's attacking system (or lack of one). It doesn't bring the best out of players like Martial or Rashford and that's a big reason why they'll continue to be inconsistent, but we should still persist with them because literally anybody would be (case in point - Hazard getting dropped by Mourinho in 15/16).

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

Opinions about Martial shift about like a sinusoidal curve.

 

[prath92]

Shock horror a 21 year old isn't consistently brilliant. Because Rooney and Ronaldo were absolutely world class in 05/06 (not even mentioning the play style differences of Fergie building his team around those 2 and Mourinho building his attack towards a target man).

Also even the likes of Pogba and Ibra blew hot and cold last season. Undoubtedly world class players. It's just Mourinho's attacking system (or lack of one). It doesn't bring the best out of players like Martial or Rashford and that's a big reason why they'll continue to be inconsistent, but we should still persist with them because literally anybody would be (case in point - Hazard getting dropped by Mourinho in 15/16).

Yeah lack of attacking system made us score 4 goals in a match only 7 times this season and are second among goals scored in PL. Can’t believe Mourinho still has a job

 

[kouroux]

Yeah lack of attacking system made us score 4 goals in a match only 7 times this season and are second among goals scored in PL. Can’t believe Mourinho still has a job

Still you can see that our attacking can be a little better in terms of off the ball movement, linking up. It's also clear that Mourinho hasn't really found his best and consistent 11.

 

[prath92]

Still you can see that our attacking can be a little better in terms of off the ball movement, linking up. It's also clear that Mourinho hasn't really found his best and consistent 11.

They were really good vs Newcastle. But they weren’t really good today. It’s about consistency rather than the system. Plus Brighton have conceded 14 goals in 13 games so they aren’t a bad team defensively

 

[kouroux]

No he started off really well as a CF before going through a cold patch under LVG & either way he never got a chance to progress - neither is the football being played on the ground. Same thing with rashford. Look at the video on the Brazilian lad from Watford & look how he dribbles and plays a ball in whilst comparing to what martial does they are so different and that's because one is a natural winger whilst the other is a CF/ support striker with him having experience as a LW.

Either way; whether it's here or not - the guy is going to have a really good career somewhere; as a CF.

How the hell do you know that when he's played his best football not as a CF ? Whether it's in his youth days at Lyon or Monaco or at Man Utd, his best football has been from the left and running at defenders.

They were really good vs Newcastle. But they weren’t really good today. It’s about consistency rather than the system. Plus Brighton have conceded 14 goals in 13 games so they aren’t a bad team defensively

Maybe, I can't say I agree completely. I see many times our players being isolated (specially Young or Martial) with no possibilities of 1-2s to create space. I see a lot of attacking incoherence, even in the games we comfortably won. There is a clear of lack of fluidity for me. There are reasons why most neutrals (the ones around me and in the forums I visit) find us really boring. Only fans appreciate watching our games and still many are also disappointed by the quality on display.

 

[Womp]

How the hell do you know that when he's played his best football not as a CF ? Whether it's in his youth days at Lyon or Monaco or at Man Utd, his best football has been from the left and running at defenders.


Maybe, I can't say I agree completely. I see many times our players being isolated (specially Young or Martial) with no possibilities of 1-2s to create space. I see a lot of attacking incoherence, even in the games we comfortably won. There is a clear of lack of fluidity for me.

That's been made evident to him before, multiple times actually, by myself and others. Yet he's continuing to have the opinion that Martial has no future out wide. His best form ever for us has still come playing off the left.

 

[Greck]

When you have Lukaku and Ibra no manager is picking them over those two. Just never going to happen.

Sincerely doubt this. No slight to Jose's style but not many top managers would build a sophisticated attack around Lukaku if given a choice

 

[Arka_BleedingRed]

Yeah lack of attacking system made us score 4 goals in a match only 7 times this season and are second among goals scored in PL. Can’t believe Mourinho still has a job

Yeah, the same attacking system, that made us draw against Stoke, Liverpool, that failed to work against Huddersfield, Chelsea, Basel. That, at times, looks like a part of a Sunday League team.

With what players? Pogba at 90 mills, Lukaku at 90 mills, Martial at 46 mills, Mkhi at 32 mills, Mata at 37 mills, Matic at 40 mills.

 

[KM]

Doesn't play well in one game - Criticism of Mourinho's system(the same system which has us the 2nd highest top scorers in the league) and the criticism of Martial consistency(when Martial has an excellent goals/assist ratio in league). This thread is pretty much the worst thread which exists on the Caf right now.

 

[prath92]

Yeah, the same attacking system, that made us draw against Stoke, Liverpool, that failed to work against Huddersfield, Chelsea, Basel. That, at times, looks like a part of a Sunday League team.

With what players? Pogba at 90 mills, Lukaku at 90 mills, Martial at 46 mills, Mkhi at 32 mills, Mata at 37 mills, Matic at 40 mills.

So we played 20 games this session and you found 5 matches where it didn’t work and concluded that we are poor in attacking even though we have scored 44 goals (28 PL + 10 CL + 6 LC) in 20 games (13 PL + 5 CL + 2 LC). Senseless post to say the least. Cost of players is not really relevant. Ibra cost less than welbeck so would you expect more out of welbeck? Lukaku cost us 75 mill anyway. And he has 11 (8 PL + 3 CL) goals in 18 starts so he has hardly been poor

 

[Red_toad]

Not a winger* - we have him and rashford spending most of the season as crossers for tanks like lukaku. They look shadows of their former selves and Jose is ruining their progression.

Both were top quality as CF.

Sorry mate that’s absolutely gosh. If fact that entire post is a pile.

 

[Maradona10]

Like every young player, blowing hot and cold, No problems with him this season, i think he was decent. I think he was a huge reason Young had a great game, he constantly took players inside with him creating room for young. I think a better fullback and our left side is very much sorted. Although i do think, we should try him as a 10 as mata, mkhi and lingard have all been very shit there.

 

[haram]

One dimensional which is a problem against teams that park the bus. Happened at Huddersfield, happened yesterday, will continue to happen.

Cutting inside into congested areas is not a great idea but that's most of his game.

Shock horror a 21 year old isn't consistently brilliant. Because Rooney and Ronaldo were absolutely world class in 05/06 (not even mentioning the play style differences of Fergie building his team around those 2 and Mourinho building his attack towards a target man).

Also even the likes of Pogba and Ibra blew hot and cold last season. Undoubtedly world class players. It's just Mourinho's attacking system (or lack of one). It doesn't bring the best out of players like Martial or Rashford and that's a big reason why they'll continue to be inconsistent, but we should still persist with them because literally anybody would be (case in point - Hazard getting dropped by Mourinho in 15/16).

This takes no accountability into why he was bad today. It's not a one off thing. It's his playstyle. Him cutting inside. His movement and attacking work rate are questionable.

 

[Bobcat]

Can't fault him and Rashford much when we barely ever get them the ball with a chance to run at defenders.

It's always at the half way line with 3 defenders attached to their hips.

This, not a good game from either of them, but the way they got shut down by Brighton made it incredibly difficult to do anything really.

 

[GM K]

Martial & Rashford would not be dropped or picked over lukaku by any manager who prefers to play football on the ground. Martial & rashford are more suited to city than united atm & that due to the way the manager prefers to play football.

Selling martial is going to be our debut bryune, salah etc etc - no one should sell a player because of their inability to fit in to José's system; he is a short term manager of only 3 years with a unflexible tactics with undrppable players.

We shall agree to disagree

Funny how managers are blamed when players feck up their chances.

So 'the way Jose plays' is the reason for a professional player to pick wrong passes or choose to dribble when a pass is better or pass when a dribble is better, etc?

I don't get the obsession with blaming Mourinho for every problem in the squad.
The reality is that Martial and Rashford are young lads who are gradually improving their games. They are far from the finished articles. Give them time.

 

[GM K]

Crap today. Our attacking play doesn't really seem to help our attackers, City's, Tottenham's and Liverpool's passing is so superior and quick their attackers often find themselves one v one against defenders, whereas Martial and Rashford often have to beat 3 defenders to even put in a cross. It's diabolical coaching.

And yet only City has outscored us. Strange.

 

[Varun]

Doesn't play well in one game - Criticism of Mourinho's system(the same system which has us the 2nd highest top scorers in the league) and the criticism of Martial consistency(when Martial has an excellent goals/assist ratio in league). This thread is pretty much the worst thread which exists on the Caf right now.

Naah, the worst is the Martial vs Rashford one but yes, this is close.

 

[undertaker]

Good player but highly overrated on here, i think his decision making is very poor often just dribbles into defenders when a pass is the better option.

 

[SteveW]

A lot of people suddenly returning to this thread after a quiet few weeks. He had a quiet game. It happens to everyone from time to time.

 

[haram]

A lot of people suddenly returning to this thread after a quiet few weeks. He had a quiet game. It happens to everyone from time to time.

Yes everyone has bad games. Lets question why Martial had a bad game though. I think it was partially down to a lack of control in midfield, and partially down to his playstyle which is largley him cutting inside. His playstyle isn't going to change, so when we come up against teams that park the bus, why should we be surprised if this type of performance repeats itself?

 

[SteveW]

Very polarizing player, those that rate him tend to overdo it a bit, those that dont rate him always understate his abilities.
It must be remembered that he is still only 21 years old, cannot be expected to produce awesome dribbles and efficient end product game in game out.

Always wondered if the knockers were typically just reacting to others who they felt were overrating him. You'd have to be a complete fool to not at least think he's a good player. Rio was saying the other day that they players see his potential as basically limitless. Yet you get people on here saying all he can do is dribble. It's odd