I keep seeing this but no explanation how he isn't a Mourinho type player. A lot of flair players have played well for him.
He is simply a very young player having a rough patch. Mourinho is even the one pleading for patience.
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He is simply a very young player having a rough patch. Mourinho is even the one pleading for patience.
Would you take Ozil for him if a swap was on ?
Nope. We already have Mata and Mickey Taryan competing for that number 10 role. Also we don't have them forward 3 that are willing to run behind the defence in empty space to receive a lucid pass from Ozil. Zlatan slow as fek whilst Martial and Rashford don't have the instinct.
Can we draw a parallel between Henry at Juventus and Martial this year?
I don't think that he is comfortable in that set up and role, it doesn't suit his natural characteristics.
I don't think that he is comfortable in that set up and role, it doesn't suit his natural characteristics.
i think you're right but my biggest problem is that there's no intensity in his game this year. I think it's partly a confidence thing.
His form started for France though. At the time i was one saying it was just a blip and thought Deschamps was crazy for not playing him, but I was clearly wrong.
I can't really begin to think why it's happened because he was coming off a great season and full of confidence. Maybe his situation with his girlfriend did knock him back but i struggle to understand how things like that even cross anybodys mind when they step on the football pitch.
But he wasn't an intense player at Monaco, he was the type to pick his runs instead of multiplying them. Honestly, he is a striker, he can do a job wide but he is a natural striker.
Mourinho called out Lingard earlier in the season because he knew he'd get a positive response. And that's what happened.
But then last week, Mourinho downplayed Rashford's mistake against Arsenal because he didn't feel a public rebuke would be beneficial.
Two completely different ways of handling two completely different characters.
Posters criticising Mourinho need to realise he's one of the best man-managers on the planet. Not just in football, but probably also in any industry you can think of. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Bringing up De Bruyne is missing the point. Mourinho's plan wasn't only to try and mould him as a player, but also to test his personality. Talent isn't the only factor when it comes to footballers. That's where Wenger has failed for over a decade despite having some of the best players in Europe. Personality is hugely important, and being able to stand up and be counted is something Mourinho demands from everybody. It's fair enough to question if that's always the best way to do things, but the fact his teams don't bottle it in May is proof enough to me that his methods work.
If Martial can't learn from this, he's not a Mourinho player. Mourinho's born a winner, so forgive me if I trust his judgement on this one. If Martial won't run through a brick wall for his manager, he's clearly got the wrong character. Hopefully he can develop that in the future.
But then last week, Mourinho downplayed Rashford's mistake against Arsenal because he didn't feel a public rebuke would be beneficial.
Two completely different ways of handling two completely different characters.
Posters criticising Mourinho need to realise he's one of the best man-managers on the planet. Not just in football, but probably also in any industry you can think of. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Bringing up De Bruyne is missing the point. Mourinho's plan wasn't only to try and mould him as a player, but also to test his personality. Talent isn't the only factor when it comes to footballers. That's where Wenger has failed for over a decade despite having some of the best players in Europe. Personality is hugely important, and being able to stand up and be counted is something Mourinho demands from everybody. It's fair enough to question if that's always the best way to do things, but the fact his teams don't bottle it in May is proof enough to me that his methods work.
If Martial can't learn from this, he's not a Mourinho player. Mourinho's born a winner, so forgive me if I trust his judgement on this one. If Martial won't run through a brick wall for his manager, he's clearly got the wrong character. Hopefully he can develop that in the future.
Then we have a real problem. Mourinho spoke about him not being used to the intensity. We have to pray he makes that adjustment.
Mourinho hasn't criticised martial either. Just says he's struggling and needs more time.
Yeah, I don't know what happened, according to Deschamps's staff Martial joined the team with a thigh injury, so he spent the first weeks at the infirmary, after that a member of the staff said that Martial wasn't training well and that Deschamps discussed with him about that. There was rumors that he was sulking but several videos show that he was seemingly joyful, so like you I don't know.
We are seeing the start of Mkhitaryan coming out the other side of a difficult period where Jose has had to man manage him, hopefully he'll have the same success with Martial.
I never said he did.
But he did call Martial out by name. Doing so works with some players and not others. The point is to trust Mourinho to know who fits into which category.
Yes, I agree.
All this.
I'll wait to see what happens, but Jose needs to persevere with Martial. He showed last season what he's capable of. Now he needs to be helped through this next period of his development. I'm not sure I agree with Jose's handling of him, but it's early days.
All I know is the club would be super stupid to let Jose get rid of him if that's what happens. I guarantee someone else will absolutely get the best out of him.
Martial is one of my favourite players at United, so it's hard to see him not doing well. The problem I've had with Martial this season (which I imagine many have noticed also) is that he just doesn't look to make runs. His game is based on waiting out left, passing to feet then running off and trying to make something. The problem with this is passing into your wingers feet whilst they're in a good space to do something with it happens extremely rarely, so if he's going to carry on being a left winger for Manchester United he needs to change his style of play.
He just needs to watch what Mkhy was doing on Thursday night, it's the polar opposite of how Martial plays at the minute. Personally I'd like to see him maybe go up front where he can cause the most damage, but then I think it's an excuse for him to not grow as a player if he can just sit up top and wait for the ball.
I'm sure Mourinho will get it right with him. There's nothing wrong with a 20/21 year old not setting the world alight yet.
He just needs to watch what Mkhy was doing on Thursday night, it's the polar opposite of how Martial plays at the minute. Personally I'd like to see him maybe go up front where he can cause the most damage, but then I think it's an excuse for him to not grow as a player if he can just sit up top and wait for the ball.
I'm sure Mourinho will get it right with him. There's nothing wrong with a 20/21 year old not setting the world alight yet.
Needs to step it up. Would hate to lose such a special talent.
A journalist asked about him, I thought. Mourinho just answered.
He'll be fine. He's a world class talent. Just needs a bit of time to get out of the Van Gaal system and into the Mourinho. It's not as if he hasn't had good games and moments this season.
The question was if Martial is suffering from a second season syndrome.
Best thing many opposition clubs can do is to monitor who gets shown the door by Mou in summer as talent bargains will inevitably become available
Pretty confident Martial won't be one of them.
I reckon depay is the only one in trouble. He's just not that great and to be honest I'd rather hold on to janujaz than him.
Can't see martial or Shaw being moved on. Jose isn't stupid enough for that. Other than pereira and rashford they are our only talents I could see a top club being interested in. I can't see any of them moving on. Martial is struggling but you'd have to be blind to not see the ability is there.
I feel that some of the players are still adapting to joses tactics. Also martial has had some personal problems and as us United fans have seen with Rooney sometimes they can greatly affect a player. We are looking much better as a side in most gamed this year and when martial finds his form he'll be a very important player for us.
Same applies to Mikhi too.
Martial will stay with us for many years. We invested heavily in him and he will get at least 2-3 years to full fill his potential before we even think about selling him.
Martial, Shaw, *Pogba, Lingard, Bailly, Rashford and Jones (if he stays injurie free) are all raw talents hopefully with a great future ahead of them. They represent everything that's good with this club. Not for sale!!
* Pog is already close to world class. Only injuries will jeopardize his future.
Martial, Shaw, *Pogba, Lingard, Bailly, Rashford and Jones (if he stays injurie free) are all raw talents hopefully with a great future ahead of them. They represent everything that's good with this club. Not for sale!!
* Pog is already close to world class. Only injuries will jeopardize his future.
This is exactly what I want to hear from a United Manager, want the eleven players in the team every week to be there on merit and nothing else.
Seems that doesn't apply for Zlatan.
Let me guess, there is a mass panic here and claims he's off in the summer despite pretty normal and reasonable comments by Jose?
Care to elaborate?
Zlatan may not finish well, but he creates many of our chances.
For example, in our last game against FEY, of the 4 goals, he was involved in 3 of them.
Would I want him benched? Absolutely not. We need a top class striker who can create goals and might (on a good day) score.
Lets also not forget that Ibra is our top goal scorer this year, in the league. 6 goals. The 2nd highest is Mata, on 3.
Against Arsenal, we were a lesser team without Ibra.
Martial is still special. Don't get on his back because of a few months bad form. I don't think Mou is utilizing(?) him the right way either, so i don't blame Martial.
He is our future star, no one should deny that.
Edit: He was the only attacking player last season, he actually carried us at the age of 19.
He is our future star, no one should deny that.
Edit: He was the only attacking player last season, he actually carried us at the age of 19.
I disagree. Prior to Feyenoord game how many chances did he creat? He is slow and he's limiting our attacking options, he's supposed to be our aerial strength yet he was eaten alive by most of CB's we played against. Besides he's not here to be playmaker, his constant dropping deep and asking for the ball is unnecessary and contra-productive.
He's here to score goals and he's not doing so. What's worse he seems to have his starting place guaranteed and he is untouchable when he's playing poor, he can't even get subbed for us to try other options in number 9 spot.
For starters I'd like to see him subbed every once in a while, because he is an old man after all, and there's no need for him to be playing 90 mins every game. When he's doing poor, sub him off, try with Martial, Rashford or Rooney as our number 9, won't hurt us more than Zlatan is atm.
Martial appears to be quite a sulky type of person which might be just a perception but his form goes beyond just club football. Internationally the issues are there too. I don't know it but I get a sense that it's more an attitude and mentality thing. Again a perception but I see parallels with Memphis, arrives from a relative small club to Utd becomes 'Johnny big balls', long term childhood sweetheart kick to the kerb and bloody creating a trandmark of the back of one season here.....Martial still has lots of things to prove and the thing for me is whilst I can accept a loss of form, that still doesn't mean you can't commit to the game. Something you'd never level at other players in the team.
Mourinho was praising his attitude in training just last week. So, I don't think it's an attitude thing. You're over analysing as young player's loss of form. Something that is very common for a player his age.
Not over-analysing it, this issue isn't about 'last week', this is something that started at the end of the last season and played out throughout the summer and into this season. Lack of form isn't an age thing, all players will suffer from it, and whilst second season is always difficult, the off field issues only compound it.
The thing for me more than anything else is his lack of work rate. I can accept dip in form but he offers nothing. Compare him with Rashford and they are poles apart, and whilst Rashford might be to blame for Arsenals goal, Martial wouldn't even have been there in the first place.
Just don't see him as a Jose player as the criticism of Mata and of Hazard at Chelsea were for the same reasons.....poor work rate
When did Mourinho criticise Martial's workrate?
And, I'm tired of seeing this. How is he not a Jose plalyer.
The only thing Mourinho has said is, he needs time. i don't know where you are drawing all your conclusions from.
But you are not Mourinho who said that he asked Martial to play a different role and that he needs time to adapt to that new role.
I just think Mourinho prefers more of an 'allrounder'. He likes discipline in his teams and i'm not sure Martial current fits that roll.
I'm not skitting him, i really like him and he's still only a kid.
Agree with this. Sometimes we just have to let the manager do his job the way he deems best.
I hope Zidane/Madrid sign him and he goes to Madrid to show his talent
Because we are wasting his talent, disgraceful
Because we are wasting his talent, disgraceful
Hilarious use of one of the most talented players in world football. Hope Pep tries to sign him in January while you play the likes of Lingard and Rashford ahead of him. Mourinho has no clue.
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