Fecking infuriating.
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Aye, absolute bollox
I don't think it's a bad idea to drop him for game or two because I think Lingard will do good, but I am mad because he needed just two or three average games to be dropped despite being our best player last season while youknowho can play like shit for more than two seasons and still can't be dropped.
I think that he needs to be managed, he is really talented but not always relying on him and giving him some rest will make him more effective.
Its very logical given form and the fact they play different positions and the fact I think rooney has the most goals of any player playing in the derby and about 9 other things but you're illogical playing to the crowd post is fine too.
To be fair, I'm not into super defending Rooney or anything, but there is a case to be made that having 1 goal and 2 assists doesnt warrant him being dropped from the first team. Where as Martial's not stepped up at all since the season started. Also adding to the fact he;s out most experienced player and captain.
He can't play every time. The person who's been picked ahead of him has been picked to do a job that would be unfair to ask of Martial.
Yeah, I don't mind it from that point of view at all, especially because we know that Mourinho will know how to prove him he is important to him.
How does Rooney start every game infuriating, he is brutal.
Short memories? Rooney saved us three points last game.
Man Utd 1:2 Man City
He should've started after all.
Should have been on up front for Ibra a lot sooner IMO.
Missed the 2nd half. When did he come on and how did he play?
Didn't really impact the game, should've been subbed on earlier.
Even last season he struggled on the right wing, he doesn't know how to play there. Should have played behind Ibra when he came on instead of Rooney
He should always be on the left.
Apparently Mourinho thinks Lingard is the better player. I am sick of every manager picking the wrong players
I wasn't surprised to see him dropped, but I was surprised he was dropped for Lingard. Then, when he was sent on, he played on the right even though he always looks like a shadow of himself there. I thought for sure he was going to go to the left and Marcus was going to go right. Maybe Mourinho wants him to adapt to playing all across the park so he becomes a bit more versatile?
Not enough time to impact the game but can't really complain about him not being subbed on earlier. Rashford was the right guy to put in, while you keep ibra on for the moments of class and Rooney was playing pretty well. Maybe should have come on in the 70th minute instead of 80th, but that's just minor.
Don't think it's that. Martial started the first few games, but was a bit off form and off the ball he wasn't doing enough. Still very young anyway. It's not always who is the best player. Lingard had a good record in big games, works hard normally on and off the ball so Mourinho wasn't expecting him to be missing as he was.
I'm not sure he'd do that in a derby. Something is wrong with Martial so far.
I don't know. I didn't think he'd play the same formation we've played so far going into this game but we did. Maybe to see if we could continue to use this formation with both Rooney and Zlatan up top against the better teams in the league? Maybe he did the same with Martial to see if he could cause some panic to one of the better teams on the right seeing as he's been off form in his natural position on the left so far this season.
Martial: ST/LF
No good on the right.
No good on the right.
Better to not play him at all then play him on the right.
I don't understand Jese Lingard playing ahead of one of the best young footballers in the game.
Didn't really get into the game when he came on. Should have probably went up top, with Rooney staying on the right. We needed a bit of pace/running in behind up top.
Its a disgrace
Pretty much.
Many on the caf thought it was good stuff seeing Lingard in the lineup. People are really blinded by several great moments from him, but fail to see he bigger picture. Not a great idea to play a limited footballer in a game where you nees to be able to control a football under constant pressure.
I sincerely hope that's not true.....
As I've said recently, Martial needs guidance and trust - plus a kick up the arse. Say what you want about LVG but from recent interviews with Martial, you can see he appreciated LVG's coaching of him. It worked for him as a 20 year old is still developing his game and needs to be told what to do.
What he doesn't need is to be sidelined the minute he makes mistakes. It's not like his play was costing us - he just needs belief and patience. As one of the most gifted young footballers and someone who will be part of the future for us - Mourinho needs to ensure he handles him carefully. Putting him on the bench and playing him on the right (where he is shit) will not help his confidence. I'm bloody irritated by this.
We should make sure we build the team around Pogba, Martial and RAshford imho - the future of the team. I can see Martial getting pissed off and forcing a transfer and then going elsewhere and tearing it up. That would piss me off no end.
What he doesn't need is to be sidelined the minute he makes mistakes. It's not like his play was costing us - he just needs belief and patience. As one of the most gifted young footballers and someone who will be part of the future for us - Mourinho needs to ensure he handles him carefully. Putting him on the bench and playing him on the right (where he is shit) will not help his confidence. I'm bloody irritated by this.
We should make sure we build the team around Pogba, Martial and RAshford imho - the future of the team. I can see Martial getting pissed off and forcing a transfer and then going elsewhere and tearing it up. That would piss me off no end.
I think Martial is golden ball material, he has all the tools, but he doesn't improve his weaknesses and looks apathetic most of the time. He has to improve his passing game, releasing the ball quicker and better, reading more often the situation of the team. I have the feeling that many times he plays inside his bubble and isolated from the rest. He just receives and runs in a mechanical way. He needs to add more movement off the ball too, allowing some different type of passes.
He's comfortable asking for the ball at his feet, starting his runs with the ball which are great to see. But he's relying too much on that and he's getting predictable, and sometimes the situation demands a different thing. I think Van Gaal limited him with his positional rigidness and his unexpressive and conservative system. Let's see if Mourinho can get the best out of him, because if he adds a pair of things to his game and allows more movement he's going to be unplayable, an absolute monster. But there's some work to do with him by the moment.
He's comfortable asking for the ball at his feet, starting his runs with the ball which are great to see. But he's relying too much on that and he's getting predictable, and sometimes the situation demands a different thing. I think Van Gaal limited him with his positional rigidness and his unexpressive and conservative system. Let's see if Mourinho can get the best out of him, because if he adds a pair of things to his game and allows more movement he's going to be unplayable, an absolute monster. But there's some work to do with him by the moment.
If he limited him so much how comes he was more effective then? The kid needs guidance and clear instructions. Mourinho needs to fill him with confidence. He's too important to us not to get some extra care from the coaches - which LVG for all his faults did do. Martial has spoken about it I believe on more than one occasion.
You can't compare at this stage, he played 50 matches last season and now he's played 4 or 5. We'll make these comparisons at the end of the season.
In my opinion he was too tied, his task was mechanical and the system was far too simple and conservative, we lacked creativity and resources as a team. Most of the time we were playing the ball safe in static, and our gameplan to attack against parked buses was to give him the ball to dribble a pair or three players and create something from nothing. When you play 50 matches, you are the main reference and you are talented the numbers are going to be there, but it doesn't mean that everything was perfect.
In fact it was criminal for him as a player to be used in that way, in my opinion. Too much responsibility for a 19 years old new player. Too many minutes in his first season in a tough league like this one. He was our key player but he had to track back to his own box even against the worst sides. Zero support around in attack, as Van Gaal didn't allow too much movement and creativity, so he had to do it by himself many times. He created some habits last season that can be good to perform in that system, but not as good to develop as a player.
He needs to improve his movements off the ball, attack more the spaces, move by central zones, do combinations with other players, you know, add resources and different weapons. And I remember him during his first months and he did a bit of everything when played as a forward, but Van Gaal simplified his game to the extreme and I don't think this was good for him. Martial will be thankful because he gave him confidence and became a key player, but I don't think he did Martial any favour with the way he used him. He's probably suffering at the moment after this poor management last season.
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Welcome back to the first eleven Martial. One positive that came out of yesterday.
This, Ibra shouldn't be a mainstay in the team given his performances to date - sometimes what we lose because of his and Rooney's immobility is just too much to justify shutting our Rashford and Martial from the role. In these big games you need your forward line to be dynamic otherwise teams like City will have their way with us all season long until the manager wisens up.
He and Rashford should start from now on. They should grow alongside Zlatan.
It will also allow Zlatan drop deep when he wants. Rashford and Martial are our best foward thinking players and denying them playing time is doing ourselves a disservice.
Yesterday has filled me wi regret. City had confidence to push foward because they knew we didn't have the players to expose the space behind them in the first half.
Had Rashford and Martial been on the pitch, they would not have dared it.
It will also allow Zlatan drop deep when he wants. Rashford and Martial are our best foward thinking players and denying them playing time is doing ourselves a disservice.
Yesterday has filled me wi regret. City had confidence to push foward because they knew we didn't have the players to expose the space behind them in the first half.
Had Rashford and Martial been on the pitch, they would not have dared it.
Martial came on for Shaw but what position did he play?
I don't think we will see the best of Martial and Rashford until Zlatan is gone.
My word you're living up to your user name. Not seen one comment from Jose as to who is the better of the 2, Matial has had more gametime, yet oh no you assume as to what Jose thinks. Dear lord
Not seen one comment from Jose as to who is the better of the 2, Matial has had more gametime, yet oh no you assume as to what Jose thinks. Dear lord
Definitely agree that mourinho wouldn't rate lingard as a better player than martial, but for him to think lingard would fare better against city is really baffling.
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