[NinjaFletch]

Would be nice if he said the reasons. He's not been afraid to bash Martial before saying he needs to have magnificent performances etc. If he just says there's issues off the field or whatever, people would understand. Not saying anything just suggests its personal. Even Lingard's played more in our last four matches than him.

Do you not think its reflective of their respective squad status though? It's one thing getting the performances Lingard has given, and entirely another the ones that Martial has given, because he's supposed to be one of our best players!

Frankly, I think Martial is being vastly over-rated at the minute. His performances have been poor, and he deserves to get the stick he has. You have the stats handy I think, he only has two league goals I know, but according to league position who is the best team he's scored against? Stoke?

He got two goals against West Ham in the cup, a goal against Middlesborough, a penalty against Fenerbache and I can't remember the other one. That's hardly a convincing argument that he's being unfairly treated and stinks of the same stats padding against weaker opposition Depay was accused of.

 

[Raees]

You can't trust Jose in situations like this. He is notorious for being a agenda driven manager and this team selection makes no sense. He will persist in leaving him out until we finally win a game then will say he was right all along.

 

[Starkie_1]

Bunch of nutty losers you lot. It's one player on the bench because he's been shite when he's played. As have the others who've played instead of him, so it hardly matters who plays.

Get behind the manager and the team, not a fecking fanboy player. Anyone who thinks this affects attitudes for supporters at games needs to give their head a wobble

 

[J-Hova]

The argument(s) against Martial starting are absolutely mental. It would make sense if he was underperforming and Mata, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Lingard have all been in form. But it's almost the opposite. Martial has played well on the left and his efficiency and end product is better than any of the others.

This gimmick from Mourinho is dull at this point. It's not that eventful anyways, he does the same thing at practically every club he coaches. Sometimes he manages the player well (Benzema), sometimes he completely misjudges the situation (De Bruyne). But with Martial now, there is no reason for him to not start when fit.

 

[Marcelinho87]

This is the kid who was upset because of a number change? Maybe he is just a moaning little cnut and Mou is thinking feck him*

*Not my opinion just a thought.

 

[An Irish Red]

It really is strange to see so many people who seem to care more about individual players than they do for the club. Wanting Martial to leave and become great elsewhere is just baffling to me.

Lack of faith in the manager is one of the many problems that have emerged since Fergie left.

 

[OohAahMartial]

Don't see how Rashford has been more magnificent than Martial. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Bestie07]

You can't trust Jose in situations like this. He is notorious for being a agenda driven manager and this team selection makes no sense. He will persist in leaving him out until we finally win a game then will say he was right all along.

Precisely.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Would be nice if he said the reasons. He's not been afraid to bash Martial before saying he needs to have magnificent performances etc. If he just says there's issues off the field or whatever, people would understand. Not saying anything just suggests its personal. Even Lingard's played more in our last four matches than him.

My take is that he knows Martial is a top player, and as such can offer us so much more, so he is testing him, and seeing if he has the mentality to push through this, and play better/more consistently than he is doing, I agree that he is better than Rashford in that position on current form, but Rashford is maybe offering all he has got, yet Martial can get to a much higher level.

 

[Damien]

Do you not think its reflective of their respective squad status though? It's one thing getting the performances Lingard has given, and entirely another the ones that Martial has given, because he's supposed to be one of our best players!

Frankly, I think Martial is being vastly over-rated at the minute. His performances have been poor, and he deserves to get the stick he has. You have the stats handy I think, he only has two league goals I know, but according to league position who is the best team he's scored against? Stoke?

Yeah. He's not had much of a chance in the league of late though. He's scored five goals against West Ham and was left on the bench when we played them last month. We were struggling for goals against Stoke and Hull, the kind of sides he's scored against before and we either left him on the bench or didn't have him in the squad at all against those sides.

 

[Massive Spanner]

He also has track record of winning that demands respect, and a bit of trust.

For goodness sake he did a similar thing with Mikitayrian only a few months back, too much knee jerk crap been spoken imo.

And he lost the dressing room at Chelsea last season and Real in his final season. Obviously he's our manager and we have to back him above players but it doesn't mean he's exempt from bad decisions with youngsters or wrongly fecking things up with players due to his "demanding respect". It's possible Martial and Shaw could go this summer and people are frustrated.

 

[Kag]

Martial has been our most threatening attacking player over the past month. The suggestion he's been "shite" is agenda-driven rubbish designed to support the manager no matter what.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

It really is strange to see so many people who seem to care more about individual players than they do for the club. Wanting Martial to leave and become great elsewhere is just baffling to me.

Lack of faith in the manager is one of the many problems that have emerged since Fergie left.

I think you're missing the point.

The last few weeks Rashford has been starting ahead of Martial on the left wing, done sweet feck all and we're not getting results. Martial has one bad game and is out for weeks.

It's not logical.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Sorry but I don't think Jose has earned that kind of trust.

In fact with this he is losing my trust. Not that it matters.

The other thing is, and I have said this with every manager, you cannot keep buying new players unless you get more out of what you have. I don't want Greizmann. I want the current team to play better. God knows we have enough talent. Make more out of it before running to buy other players.

I believe he is getting more out of a lot players, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, etc, he has sorted our injury issues, and has handled Rooney with great skill, he was also been questioned relentlessly by people on here about Mikitayrian yet he was proved right, so for me there is no reason to distrust him on Martial yet.

 

[Jazz]

I'm calling it, Mourinho is a tad weird (to be polite)... but at least Martial is on the bench. He needs to keep cool and take his chance if he gets subbed on.

 

[Bestie07]

It really is strange to see so many people who seem to care more about individual players than they do for the club. Wanting Martial to leave and become great elsewhere is just baffling to me.

Lack of faith in the manager is one of the many problems that have emerged since Fergie left.

Faith has to be earned, else it's just blind faith.

Ideally a manager should have complete control over the squad, but that control has to be earned over time. Jose hasn't put in the years at this club to be allowed to sell one of the best young players in the world (the only one that we do have).

 

[Raees]

It really is strange to see so many people who seem to care more about individual players than they do for the club. Wanting Martial to leave and become great elsewhere is just baffling to me.

Lack of faith in the manager is one of the many problems that have emerged since Fergie left.

Over faith in managers because it is the right thing to do has also been a big problem in our side since Fergie left. It's a big problem at Arsenal and at clubs like Liverpool where every new gaf is the new messiah.

If something smells like shit, the chances are it is shit and right now Jose is acting like a prat. He needs to be called out on it. Am sure we will probably win today but in general his approach to players has done more harm than good and he needs to soften up his man management skills and start converting those draws into wins.

He's done some good things since coming here but we are 6th and we should really be 3rd if he had been at the top of his game.

Guys like Martial turn draws into wins, you don't destroy their confidence like this. Whatever message he wanted to send initially that boat has sailed and right now he's being an asshole. No young player deserves to be treated like that especially one like Martial. Some tough love would have been fine but he's overdoing it now.

 

[Jazz]

I think you're missing the point.

The last few weeks Rashford has been starting ahead of Martial on the left wing, done sweet feck all and we're not getting results. Martial has one bad game and is out for weeks.

It's not logical.

But Ibra likes Rash ford you see..... plus Mourinho won't want to seem like he's freezing out a promising English player, or the press will be on his case..

 

[mav_9me]

It really is strange to see so many people who seem to care more about individual players than they do for the club. Wanting Martial to leave and become great elsewhere is just baffling to me.

Lack of faith in the manager is one of the many problems that have emerged since Fergie left.

I don't care about martial per se. It's the fact that our anemic attack would do so much better if we had Martial in it. He is given Mata and Rashford so many more chances with much worse performances. Can you argue against that?

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

And he lost the dressing room at Chelsea last season and Real in his final season. Obviously he's our manager and we have to back him above players but it doesn't mean he's exempt from bad decisions with youngsters or wrongly fecking things up with players due to his "demanding respect". It's possible Martial and Shaw could go this summer and people are frustrated.

This is just conclusion jumping at this point, like Mata was off in the summer, and Mikitayrian was going in January, we have a lot of games coming up and things can change very quickly, and personally I have no issue with the treatment of these two players yet.

 

[Jazz]

Over faith in managers because it is the right thing to do has also been a big problem in our side since Fergie left. It's a big problem at Arsenal and at clubs like Liverpool where every new gaf is the new messiah.

If something smells like shit, the chances are it is shit and right now Jose is acting like a prat. He needs to be called out on it. Am sure we will probably win today but in general his approach to players has done more harm than good and he needs to soften up his man management skills and start converting those draws into wins.

He's done some good things since coming here but we are 6th and we should really be 3rd if he had been at the top of his game.

Guys like Martial turn draws into wins, you don't destroy their confidence like this. Whatever message he wanted to send initially that boat has sailed and right now he's being an asshole. No young player deserves to be treated like that especially one like Martial. Some tough love would have been fine but he's overdoing it now.

Well said. Wish someone at the fecking club would sort out this shit situation.

 

[An Irish Red]

I think you're missing the point.

The last few weeks Rashford has been starting ahead of Martial on the left wing, done sweet feck all and we're not getting results. Martial has one bad game and is out for weeks.

It's not logical.

Don't get me wrong, I think Martial is twice the player that Rashford is and if I was the manager both Martial and Shaw would be first choice. I get people thinking the decision is wrong and all.

What I don't get is the 'he deserves better' and 'I hope he tears it up in Spain' types of comment. It's just strange.

 

[Attila]

I can't believe he's still benched. Poor decision from Mourinho

 

[SteveW]

Tony Martial came from France
Jose Mourinho won't give him a chance
50 million down the drain

 

[Massive Spanner]

I believe he is getting more out of a lot players, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, etc, he has sorted our injury issues, and has handled Rooney with great skill, he was also been questioned relentlessly by people on here about Mikitayrian yet he was proved right, so for me there is no reason to distrust him on Martial yet.

was he? He proved that Mkhi was class when he played a full game of football when fit.

Mourinho just dropped him repeatedly until he had an excellent performance so that he could then say "see I was right all along". - isn't that also plausible?

We will never know who was in the right with Mkhi really.

 

[SirAF]

Jesus, at least Rashford is playing. Imagine the outcry here if the local golden lad wasn't playing!

 

[SteveW]

Don't get me wrong, I think Martial is twice the player that Rashford is and if I was the manager both Martial and Shaw would be first choice. I get people thinking the decision is wrong and all.

What I don't get is the 'he deserves better' and 'I hope he tears it up in Spain' types of comment. It's just strange.

Agreed.

 

[Massive Spanner]

This is just conclusion jumping at this point, like Mata was off in the summer, and Mikitayrian was going in January, we have a lot of games coming up and things can change very quickly, and personally I have no issue with the treatment of these two players yet.

I have a big issue with Rashford playing on the left wing over him despite playing far, far worse. It's illogical under any circumstances.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Yeah. He's not had much of a chance in the league of late though. He's scored five goals against West Ham and was left on the bench when we played them last month. We were struggling for goals against Stoke and Hull, the kind of sides he's scored against before and we either left him on the bench or didn't have him in the squad at all against those sides.

Sure, but thats an inherently shaky argument based on a vague notion that because you did something once you should be able to go it again. There's something to it for sure, but I wouldn't place that much weight on it. I don't disagree with the general sentiment that Martial should be getting more game time than he is, but I do find the idea that he's particularly demanded that game time to be an over-stretch.

Take the Wigan game for example which is being held up as proof of unfair treatment. He spent the first half stinking the place out, was better in the second, and came up with two assists despite – if we're really being honest – not playing particularly well. We know Martial is capable of more than even that, is it really that unfair to ask him for more?

 

[Raoul]

I can't believe he's still benched. Poor decision from Mourinho

Maybe he has a poor attitude ? If so, then its completely justified.

 

[Jazz]

Visit other United forums and you'll see how unpopular leaving Martial out is. We better win or match goers will probably start giving Jose hell. In fact if I'm not mistaken, I think they were chanting for Martial against Hull.

 

[Damien]

Sure, but thats an inherently shaky argument based on a vague notion that because you did something once you should be able to go it again. There's something to it for sure, but I wouldn't place that much weight on it. I don't disagree with the general sentiment that Martial should be getting more game time than he is, but I do find the idea that he's particularly demanded that game time to be an over-stretch.

Take the Wigan game for example which is being held up as proof of unfair treatment. He spent the first half stinking the place out, was better in the second, and came up with two assists despite – if we're really being honest – not playing particularly well. We know Martial is capable of more than even that, is it really that unfair to ask him for more?

It isn't just that game. It has been his general form from Middlesbrough game onwards. None of our attacking players has been in better form.

 

[Red Dreams]

Mikhi, Shaw, Bastian now Martial.

Mourinho wants the right attitude from players.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

was he? He proved that Mkhi was class when he played a full game of football when fit.

Mourinho just dropped him repeatedly until he had an excellent performance so that he could then say "see I was right all along". - isn't that also plausible?

We will never know who was in the right with Mkhi really.

I'm sure Mikitayrian himself came out and said it was his fault, yes maybe he's just saying this, but it quite plausible Jose was just protecting him whilst he adjusted to the prem and his style, and is now reaping the benefits, just no reason to think otherwise.

 

[mav_9me]

I believe he is getting more out of a lot players, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, etc, he has sorted our injury issues, and has handled Rooney with great skill, he was also been questioned relentlessly by people on here about Mikitayrian yet he was proved right, so for me there is no reason to distrust him on Martial yet.

I agree. He absolutely is doing better and getting more with a lot of our players and team in general which is more on the defensive side of the team. Which is fine. It's harder to get good attacking play and in any case it starts with getting a good defensive foundation.

My point is I'm willing to give him time to fix our attack but not if he chooses to shoot us in the foot by not playing our most talented attacker in Martial. More so when he has done much better than everybody bar Zlatan and Mikhi.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm sure Mikitayrian himself came out and said it was his fault, yes maybe he's just saying this, but it quite plausible Jose was just protecting him whilst he adjusted to the prem and his style, and is now reaping the benefits, just no reason to think otherwise.

So we should blindly accept the manager is right and not question his decisions?

 

[Jazz]

Maybe he has a poor attitude ? If so, then its completely justified.

Doesn't look like poor attitude. He at least looks like he's been trying lately to rectify things after his bad start to the season, but Mourinho is just not budging. Whatever point he wanted to make to the boy, it's been made. A 54 year old man should know when to move on.

 

[Raoul]

Doesn't look like poor attitude. He at least looks like he's been trying lately to rectify things after his bad start to the season, but Mourinho is just not budging. Whatever point he wanted to make to the boy, it's been made. A 54 year old man should know when to move on.

How do you know this if you're not actually there to observe him in training, in private meetings etc ?

 

[DWelbz19]

Tony Martial came from France
Jose Mourinho won't give him a chance
50 million down the drain

Tony Martial wont play again

 

[3KDré]

I hope the fans sing his name all game, give Mourinho the message.