Ante Rebic...

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I find cafe opinions of potential signings usually laughable. The way folks on here rubbished signing Matic was quite epic. I also remember how they claimed a Mane couldn't cut it at a top club.....
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Most United fans creamed themselves with the signings of Pogba, Falcao etc. . . and took little notice of Salah joining Liverpool.

In fact I'd say most United fans would have been indifferent or even opposed the signing of Salah for United if it had been a possibility this time last year.

Football fans are fickle. . .
 
Most United fans care more about the name than the ability. Seems some also judge a player on what other teams want to buy them.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I find cafe opinions of potential signings usually laughable. The way folks on here rubbished signing Matic was quite epic. I also remember how they claimed a Mane couldn't cut it at a top club.....
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I think the bashing of Matic was quite OTT but I think it was fair to see why people had their doubts. A class CM but one that is ageing and was probably the weak-link in Chelsea's title winning campaign. He came in and proved most wrong so fair play to him.

The same could I think arguably said of Mane. He was decent at Southampton, showed potential but far from outstanding and many doubted whether he had the potential to take it to the next level. I think to have doubts on transfers for pretty much every player in the world bar maybe 10/15 makes sense because you never know how they will adjust to the team/league/manger/style of football and even pressure.

Regarding Rebic, he does not in my opinion have any outstanding qualities but is certainly useful in the right set-up. Some fans might not think useful is enough though and that's the main issue with this player - he does not excite in the way a winger or forward probably should.
 
People say he's average, but he looks better than Martial... He has more to show.
 
I think he'll be one of the next big things in world football, he's the complete package: pace, strength, skills, character and embodies United philosophy. A club of our stature should be all over him and splash 40/50 millions, Mourinho loves this kind of players.
 
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Would be an odd signing, could have been bought for fraction of fee before the World Cup and doesn’t even play regularly on the RW.

If we are genuinely interested we must be quite desperate.
 
Harry190 said:
People say he's average, but he looks better than Martial... He has more to show.
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Martial isn't good enough to be average and yet gets close to hero worship from some posters.

The issue now with many top clubs is that they have to identify potential and harness it. United always did this with their youth teams back in the 1990s but that well appears to have run dry in recent years.

Manchester United are struggling to sign the very best players in a way they did not in the past, so they must adapt. Besides there has always been a top player at United who never seems to make it or produce the goods.

Rebic was available for around a million six months ago. There are many, many potential world class players out there who would cost less than 10 million. All that is required are excellent scouts & excellent coaches, and that's where top money should be spent. . . . Not on €90m donkeys who are considered world class just because they play for one of the top teams.
 
Nick7 said:
Most United fans care more about the name than the ability. Seems some also judge a player on what other teams want to buy them.
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You missed out that if they're English then they're overrated. Also the club they currently play for, even though what they don't realise is if they join us they'll be playing with better players...
 
Judas said:
Not exactly Martial's biggest fan, but to claim he's worse than Rebic is quite the opinion to hold.
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Well one played in a World Cup final, the other was left at home by his country.
 
Judas said:
Does that make Rebic better than Ronaldo then?
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Clearly not.

I pointed out the fact that Martial is so good France had the decency to leave him at home in respect of their opposition whom they did not want to embarrass.
 
RW2 said:
What has Martial done for United?

Scored that goal on his debut v Liverpool. . . and that's it.
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Scored more league goals in his ManUtd debut season than Rebic's entire career.
 
RW2 said:
Well one played in a World Cup final, the other was left at home by his country.
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fecking Lovren and Vida played in world cup finals too and Godin went home early.
 
RW2 said:
I would expect centre forwards to score more goals than midfielders.
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You can expect that, but when player who played most of his ManUtd career and first season as left winger, it's unexpected.
 
RW2 said:
What has Martial done for United?

Scored that goal on his debut v Liverpool. . . and that's it.
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What had Rebic done for anybody?

Rebic is absolutely mediocre - scoring 10 goals in 77 games!! Playing for fiprentina, RB Leipzig & Frankfurt as a second striker or a winger.

The guy is one of the most rubbish players for Croatia - even Croatia would use Martial over Rebic :lol:

Whilst Rebic is utter rubbish - I'd go for him to keep Jose happy - but to sell martial for him is something no one would do except Jose & his fellow fans.

Work rate over pure ability of a player :rolleyes:
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
What had Rebic done for anybody?

Rebic is absolutely mediocre - scoring 10 goals in 77 games!! Playing for fiprentina, RB Leipzig & Frankfurt as a second striker or a winger.

The guy is one of the most rubbish players for Croatia - even Croatia would use Martial over Rebic :lol:

Whilst Rebic is utter rubbish - I'd go for him to keep Jose happy - but to sell martial for him is something no one would do except Jose & his fellow fans.

Work rate over pure ability of a player :rolleyes:
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Most of the United squad are rubbish, so I'd say Rebic would fit well in there.

United paid €90m+ for Pogba. . . .a player Fergie identified as surplus to requirements.

Word of note: It doesn't matter who scores the goals. You also looked up Wikipedia stats, so lazy is your "research", which are always wrong.
 
RW2 said:
Most of the United squad are rubbish, so I'd say Rebic would fit well in there.

United paid €90m+ for Pogba. . . .a player Fergie identified as surplus to requirements.

Word of note: It doesn't matter who scores the goals. You also looked up Wikipedia stats, so lazy is your "research", which are always wrong.
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So you know nothing but you keep on talking.
 
Martial has both scored more goals and managed more assists than any other United player since we signed him.
 
Judas said:
Starting to think RW2 is a bit of a WUM.
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At least he knows nothing, that much is sure. He thinks SAF thought Pogba was surplus to requirement when SAF and Gill did everything to make him sign contract and he also thinks Martial plays as CF for us.
 
roonster09 said:
So you know nothing but you keep on talking.
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Did Fergie, a United legendary manager, let Pogba go or didn't he?

A simple YES or NO will suffice.

I'm no WUM.

Which Eintracht Frankfurt match from last season do you want to discuss which involved Rebic?
Presumably not the cup final..

Fact is, most posters on here would have opposed the signing of, say, Solksjaer. . . "Who da feck are Molde?". . . they would have stated.

Having the footballing knowledge of a 12 year old with access to Wikipedia does not make you an authority.

There's a reason why Eintracht Frankfurt are going to rake in a load of cash here. . . lucky for them managers/scouts don't read Red Cafe
 
RW2 said:
Most of the United squad are rubbish, so I'd say Rebic would fit well in there.

United paid €90m+ for Pogba. . . .a player Fergie identified as surplus to requirements.

Word of note: It doesn't matter who scores the goals. You also looked up Wikipedia stats, so lazy is your "research", which are always wrong.
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Pogba wasn't surplus of requirements - he just wasn't trusted at the time to make an impact at midfield & then Pogba wanted to leave on a free.

What that has to do with Rebic? During the world cup the guy missed so so so many chances - an absolutely rubbish player.

Word of note : I might have got the stats wrong but ultimately him scoring 10 goals in 77 isn't going to be far more than the truth +- 10%.

That's the amount of goals that Martial scores within a single season playing in a position & a manager that does not suit him.

Sanchez - Lukaku - Rebic, vs sterling - aguero - sane, vs Mane - firminho - Salah.

Rebic is the odd one out :eek: can't score goals, can't assist that well & is there to just run alot with his work rate:p

Martial - Lukaku
Sanchez

Is much better - Rebic is half a player. Just work rate, tall and strong. A player fought for by Jose like Fellaini - players that should not symbolise the type of football that Manchester united should be playing.

Martial for Rebic :lol:
 
RW2 said:
Did Fergie, a United legendary manager, let Pogba go or didn't he?

A simple YES or NO will suffice.

I'm no WUM.

Which Eintracht Frankfurt match from last season do you want to discuss which involved Rebic?
Presumably not the cup final..

Fact is, most posters on here would have opposed the signing of, say, Solksjaer. . . "Who da feck are Molde?". . . they would have stated.

Having the footballing knowledge of a 12 year old with access to Wikipedia does not make you an authority.

There's a reason why Eintracht Frankfurt are going to rake in a load of cash here. . . lucky for them managers/scouts don't read Red Cafe
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No, he didn't let him go. Pogba left without signing contract. Pogba and Gill tried everything to make him sign contract but Pogba refused every contract offer.

Funny you posted the bold part considering your posts on Pogba and Martial.
 
roonster09 said:
At least he knows nothing, that much is sure. He thinks SAF thought Pogba was surplus to requirement when SAF and Gill did everything to make him sign contract and he also thinks Martial plays as CF for us.
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Yeah Fergie did everything to keep Pogba . . . . which is why he left him either on the bench or not even making the bench and preferred a comeback from Scholes instead.

Pogba was a nothing player under Fergie, because Fergie never played him.

Anyway back to Rebic.
 
Last 5 seasons, league goals

Rebic = 10
Smalling = 10

Once is attacker/winger and other is a CB
 
RW2 said:
Yeah Fergie did everything to keep Pogba . . . . which is why he left him either on the bench or not even making the bench and preferred a comeback from Scholes instead.

Pogba was a nothing player under Fergie, because Fergie never played him.

Anyway back to Rebic.
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Pogba was 18 at that time.

Back to Rebic,
Last 5 seasons, league goals

Rebic = 10
Smalling = 10

Once is attacker/winger and other is a CB
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Pogba wasn't surplus of requirements - he just wasn't trusted at the time to make an impact at midfield & then Pogba wanted to leave on a free.

What that has to do with Rebic? During the world cup the guy missed so so so many chances - an absolutely rubbish player.

Word of note : I might have got the stats wrong but ultimately him scoring 10 goals in 77 isn't going to be far more than the truth +- 10%.

That's the amount of goals that Martial scores within a single season playing in a position & a manager that does not suit him.

Sanchez - Lukaku - Rebic, vs sterling - aguero - sane, vs Mane - firminho - Salah.

Rebic is the odd one out :eek: can't score goals, can't assist that well & is there to just run alot with his work rate:p

Martial - Lukaku
Sanchez

Is much better - Rebic is half a player. Just work rate, tall and strong. A player fought for by Jose like Fellaini - players that should not symbolise the type of football that Manchester united should be playing.

Martial for Rebic :lol:
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We'll agree to disagree on Pogba.

Manchester United are Keane, Giggs, Scholes. . . .Not players they let leave because they think he's so good they won't get him to sign another contract.

If you're going to quote stats then quote accurately, otherwise you discredit yourself.

Martial is not rated by Deschamps. . . .He couldn't make the top 23 for France.


I accept you think Rebic is rubbish, etc. . .
How many Eintracht Frankfurt matches did you watch last season where Rebic played?
 
RW2 said:
Most United fans creamed themselves with the signings of Pogba, Falcao etc. . . and took little notice of Salah joining Liverpool.

In fact I'd say most United fans would have been indifferent or even opposed the signing of Salah for United if it had been a possibility this time last year.

Football fans are fickle. . .
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I'm not picking a fight....but....do you blame people? Salah did naff all at Chelsea, went to Serie A and then signed for Liverpool. He had a couple od great seasons at Roma but so did Dzeko and he was average at City.

Most fans don't sit there watching foreign leagues and reading about players stats and watching videos of them etc etc for fun. I've never heard of Yerry Mina, all i know of him is that he played quite dirty against England. We hear about the big names and watch them play because the big names play on the big stage which gets the TV time and therefore gets our focus. It's no bad thing.

How many people can honestly say they expected Falcao and Di Maria to flop that summer? I thought we were going to walk to the title, then 5-3 happened!
 
RW2 said:
We'll agree to disagree on Pogba.

Manchester United are Keane, Giggs, Scholes. . . .Not players they let leave because they think he's so good they won't get him to sign another contract.

If you're going to quote stats then quote accurately, otherwise you discredit yourself.

Martial is not rated by Deschamps. . . .He couldn't make the top 23 for France.


I accept you think Rebic is rubbish, etc. . .
How many Eintracht Frankfurt matches did you watch last season where Rebic played?
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Going by your logic, Rebic is better than Sane which is obviously bs. You're having a mare in this thread.
 
RW2 said:
We'll agree to disagree on Pogba.

Manchester United are Keane, Giggs, Scholes. . . .Not players they let leave because they think he's so good they won't get him to sign another contract.

If you're going to quote stats then quote accurately, otherwise you discredit yourself.

Martial is not rated by Deschamps. . . .He couldn't make the top 23 for France.

I accept you think Rebic is rubbish, etc. . .
How many Eintracht Frankfurt matches did you watch last season where Rebic played?
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Okay so Martial is rubbish because he can't make the France squad? Easily the best squad in world football who look like a gold generation already winning the WC at alpt of players first go? Martial is definitely going to find it hard to get in to the WC when he isn't even fancied by Jose :smirk: - how is he going to make it to France?

Ypu think Rebic would make it in to the France squad? No not an absolute chance - I don't need to list the players he is up with surely?
 
Zlatattack said:
I'm not picking a fight....but....do you blame people? Salah did naff all at Chelsea, went to Serie A and then signed for Liverpool. He had a couple od great seasons at Roma but so did Dzeko and he was average at City.

Most fans don't sit there watching foreign leagues and reading about players stats and watching videos of them etc etc for fun. I've never heard of Yerry Mina, all i know of him is that he played quite dirty against England. We hear about the big names and watch them play because the big names play on the big stage which gets the TV time and therefore gets our focus. It's no bad thing.

How many people can honestly say they expected Falcao and Di Maria to flop that summer? I thought we were going to walk to the title, then 5-3 happened!
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You're making my point completely for me.

Virtually all fans on here would have been unimpressed if United had signed Salah (instead of Liverpool) last summer. In fact there would have been a thread exactly like this. . . just replace Rebic's name with Salah's.
Would Salah have even been a success under Mourinho as opposed to Klopp?
You can never please fans who don't know what they're talking about though. Apart from the Ronaldos & Messis of this world, there are a lot of circumstances which align to make footballer who puts in great performances for one club, but not for another.

Of course most fans don't watch foreign leagues. . . they barely watch matches outside the team they support. I happen to support the team Rebic plays for and I can entirely understand why his value has sky rocketed over the past 6 months. . . and it has NOTHING to do with the World Cup. He didn't have an awful WC (scored that goal v Argentina and walked around Schmeichel and had to be professionally fouled were a couple of memorable moments), but he wasn't sensational.

Besides United have a long history of signing "great" players (where the fans cream themselves on signing) who go on to then underperform - Birtles, Veron, Falcao, Pogba.

United also have a reputation for signing unknowns and turning them into European champions - Solksjaer, Johnson, Schmeichel. . .

United aren't a galactico club..
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Okay so Martial is rubbish because he can't make the France squad? Easily the best squad in world football who look like a gold generation already winning the WC at alpt of players first go? Martial is definitely going to find it hard to get in to the WC when he isn't even fancied by Jose :smirk: - how is he going to make it to France?

Ypu think Rebic would make it in to the France squad? No not an absolute chance - I don't need to list the players he is up with surely?
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I think Rebic would make France?

Probably not but then would Mandzukic, Perisic or basically everyone on Craotia except Modric or Rakitic.

It's "If your aunt had bollox she'd be your uncle".

Irrelevant.

I do know this. You're basing your judgment of Rebic on his WC performances & wikipedia stats. Fair enough.
But remember: When Rebic was in a team beating Argentina, Iceland, Nigeria & England and knocking out Denmark & Russia to make the WC final. . . Martial was at home watching it all on the TV (just like yourself).

I find it rather ironic that you consider Martial so far better a player on the basis that he's so better he couldn't make the French squad. . . because, er, there were better players available to France.
You're making France sound like Brazil 1982. They aren't. . . . They played Giroud in all of their matches and apparently he didn't get a shot on target in the WHOLE TOURNAMENT.
 
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