Angel Gomes - Will he stay or will he go? | Contract Expired 30th June and he's left the club

limerickcitykid said:
I didn’t say he’d have made it at United. I said it massively stunted his development which it did. And an example of what could happen if Angel signs a new contract and similarly find himself at 21 and still never playing a game. If Thorpe forced his way out earlier he may have an actual career still instead of being effectively retired.

I hope he excels at whatever club he goes to and I’ll be closely following him. He’s United through and through and a genuinely nice guy who I wish nothing but the best for. If he excels he’ll no doubt come back.
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I’m going to agree to disagree on this one. The PL is full of players who have overcome far greater hurdles than this and still play at the highest level. It’s crazy to suggest that playing reserve football for a season or two too long is the difference between a top flight career and being unable to find any club, anywhere that will give you a contract in your late 20s...

It also goes a long way to explaining why Thorpe wasn’t getting the games/loans his fans on here thought he deserved while he was still at United. He’s obviously nowhere near as good as they thought he was.
 
As we all know Ole famously hates youth and the academy so this cannot be anything to do with him asking for too much money or not being up to first team standard yet.
 
GazTheLegend said:
You guys realise, of course, that we are entitled to a big tribunal fee if he signs for Chelsea, whereas if he goes abroad it's cursory at best? I.e. angel will make a shit ton of money for himself and his agent by fecking off abroad right now, which is probably what he's gonna do - and to Italy most likely imo.
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Isnt the curent record the £6.5m when sturridge went from city to chelsea
Im not sure how much we will get for gomes
Hes not even played for the U21 England team and has 2 subs appearances in the PL this season
Sturridge had played 16 games and scored 4 goals for city in the PL when he left and was a regular in the U21 squad
If we get more than £6.5m its simply down to inflation
Anything is better than nothing of course but I wouldnt expect a huge amount

Edit Ings cost 8 Million - but he had played 35 Pl games that season and scored 11 (as well as having 13 U21 appearences as well)... again I think we should expect an lower than that given the games Angel has played for us
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m going to agree to disagree on this one. The PL is full of players who have overcome far greater hurdles than this and still play at the highest level. It’s crazy to suggest that playing reserve football for a season or two too long is the difference between a top flight career and being unable to find any club, anywhere that will give you a contract in your late 20s...

It also goes a long way to explaining why Thorpe wasn’t getting the games/loans his fans on here thought he deserved while he was still at United. He’s obviously nowhere near as good as they thought he was.
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Never said he’d have made the PL either, stop arguing things I haven’t said.

Either way please show me a list of these players the PL is full of who had never played senior football at 22. I’ll wait because it’s going to take you a long time to come up with this list. But I’m very excited to see it.

Suggesting never playing senior football at 22 is detrimental to development isn’t crazy at all. It’s basic common sense.
 
Evans999 said:
Hannibal Mejbri is coming through. He'll hit much higher heights than Angel ever will.
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This is probably the reason. Places in midfield are limited, and Hannibal looks a bigger talent for sure. With a much better physique, too
 
0le said:
Honestly, Fryers is the best one. People were absolutely livid, particularly when he did those funny transfers to end up at Spurs!
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Nah, I'm with Pogue, Thorpe was the one. Was baffling how he never got his shot despite excelling at every level up to the first team.

Fryers had a reputation which exceeded his performances, largely because Rio namechecked him on Twitter back when he was 17/18 but he'd shown very little. Then even more weirdly, he got that eventual Spurs move. I wasn't fussed when he left and he's done nothing to prove me wrong.

It's a shame that Angel will likely leave. Mainly for him, rather than us, though. Mejbri looks to have just as much talent as him but is physically better suited to the league. Likewise, Garner isn't a million miles away from him either and will likely have the physical attributes once he fills out.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Never said he’d have made the PL either, stop arguing things I haven’t said.

Either way please show me a list of these players the PL is full of who had never played senior football at 22. I’ll wait because it’s going to take you a long time to come up with this list. But I’m very excited to see it.

Suggesting never playing senior football at 22 is detrimental to development isn’t crazy at all. It’s basic common sense.
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Of course it’s detrimental. You seem to think it’s so detrimental that it would explain why a player you thought was good enough to play first team football for Manchester United aged 20/21 has ended up unemployed in his late 20s. I disagree.

If you want to hear about a player who had to overcome some real hurdles to have a top flight career, I suggest you listen to the Troy Deeny’s interview with Louis Theroux.
 
Pretty sure he would have got minutes if 1. He committed to club and 2. Played well then. Ole has shown he will play young players that are committed and good enough so safe to assume one or two of those conditions wasn't there.

Some fairly laughable comments that 'he would have stayed if' but nobody has a clue. This is on angel and case closed for me. He will get money or games or both somewhere else I'm sure so maybe the right decision if he didn't feel like he was good enough to play and get paid here right away
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Tom Thorpe might be a better analogy?

He was an England international at every age group, one of the best in our academy, captain of our reserves team and loads of people lost their mind when he left. Currently playing in Indian Super League.
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Yeah but in fairness - something must have gone horribly wrong with him because he was a lot better player than a lot of players who are doing quite well for themselves in the Championship or League 1 today
 
Its a shame he didn't get more of a chance earlier on in the season, especially given that Lingard and Pereira were his competition at the time.

From Gomes' point of view, I can see why he hasn't signed a contract. He's obviously seeing players like Foden, CHO, Sancho, Greenwood, etc all playing, and he wants to be at a team where he can do the same. I mean, he doesn't even get on our bench at the moment, and doubt he will do so next season, so its probably the best decision.

The team he decides to go to will be interesting. Rumours of Chelsea, but if he thought it was hard getting into the United team, he won't have a chance at Chelsea.

Hopefully he'll be a success wherever he does decide to go.
 
Any hope for other youth players..apart from Williams and greenwood..they haven't shown us their talent..even pererra..
 
It's a shame, but I guess it was coming. His contract renewal been up for so long time and obviously his advisors didn't fancy the terms we were offering or he was poached by clubs elsewhere long time ago. Look at Xavi Simmons move from Barca to PSG etc.

As a player, he is very tiny and agile attacking midfielder and I would see him to develop and succeed in different systems at La Liga or Serie A. Look the likes as Santi Cazorla or Papu Gomez, he kind of reminds me them. And on proper system he could develop and maybe return one day if he really achieves the Manchester United level and would fit into our system then.

No hard feelings, young players have different ways to success and he could as well make it big elsewhere and it's not saying that our system is flawed, it just happens sometimes.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Its a shame he didn't get more of a chance earlier on in the season, especially given that Lingard and Pereira were his competition at the time.

From Gomes' point of view, I can see why he hasn't signed a contract. He's obviously seeing players like Foden, CHO, Sancho, Greenwood, etc all playing, and he wants to be at a team where he can do the same. I mean, he doesn't even get on our bench at the moment, and doubt he will do so next season, so its probably the best decision.

The team he decides to go to will be interesting. Rumours of Chelsea, but if he thought it was hard getting into the United team, he won't have a chance at Chelsea.

Hopefully he'll be a success wherever he does decide to go.
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There's no better team than United for giving the right youth opportunities.
Chelsea maybe an alternative, but as you've stated they have better players already in his position, he wouldn't stand a chance of getting in the match day squad.
I think people have to actually start asking themselves if he is really that good, or is it just hype... especially when we've seen other youth players get opportunities and cement themselves in the seniors since Gomes' debut in 2017.
 
where as I am not too fussed to see him go as he hasn't really impressed me in the limited game time and I have major doubts. But still what's the point in keeping him in the reserves and not letting him develop? Could of loaned him to the championship to see if he can handle the physicality.
 
Shame it hasn't worked out for him here but not every promising player at the club is going to break through.

For every talented player who leaves,another will take their place and in this case it looks like young Mejbri may get some opportunities next year if he continues to impress.

Still,interested to see where Gomes goes with his talent. I think the rumours of possibly heading to Stamford Bridge are abit odd if he's adamant of instant first team chances.
Personally I think he'll head abroad with Germany quite a obvious place for English talent at the present time.
 
Chelsea can park him in Holand for 1-2 seasons. Their relationship with Vitesse means they have more power to get guarantees on game time etc if he goes there.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He also came off the bench in his previous two appearances too.

He couldn’t play more because he wasn’t fit. Are you dense or something?
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So he was fit enough to start two games in a row (vs. Iraq and Japan) - then was too unfit to even come off the bench in the following two games?

Truth is, he underperformed vs. Japan and was dropped back to the bench and England immediately played better in the following rounds.
 
I can't say I'm bothered either way by Gomes but hopefully this is one of the last fallout of the terrible contract decision making (mainly pre Solskjaer) over the last few years which have seen:

- Sanchez on £400k+ a week
- De Gea getting us in position where he could hold us to ransom with little time remaining
- Rojo getting a £100k+ a week long term deal
- Jones the same
- Herrera leaving for nothing

Then again we might still have Pogba's to come...
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Chelsea can park him in Holand for 1-2 seasons. Their relationship with Vitesse means they have more power to get guarantees on game time etc if he goes there.
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And then sell him for 25+ million when the times right.

Why doesn't United tie down these players and then loan them out?
 
Champ said:
There's no better team than United for giving the right youth opportunities.
Chelsea maybe an alternative, but as you've stated they have better players already in his position, he wouldn't stand a chance of getting in the match day squad.
I think people have to actually start asking themselves if he is really that good, or is it just hype... especially when we've seen other youth players get opportunities and cement themselves in the seniors since Gomes' debut in 2017.
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Big team, no, but I think if he's willing to bite the bullet and go to a team lower down the table, or possibly drop a division, he'll obviously get that game time.

Regards to whether he's good enough, only time will tell. Players progress at different stages of their careers.
 
He should have been loaned out, same as the many who are clearly not good enough to play the first team. I understand giving them a shot, but he had that and didn't show anything. We hold on to players for way too long...
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Big team, no, but I think if he's willing to bite the bullet and go to a team lower down the table, or possibly drop a division, he'll obviously get that game time.

Regards to whether he's good enough, only time will tell. Players progress at different stages of their careers.
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Very true on both counts, but I can't see him going to an Everton or Burnley for example.
Germany or even Holland would seem the other obvious steps.
 
meninred said:
Any hope for other youth players..apart from Williams and greenwood..they haven't shown us their talent..even pererra..
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To be fair To have Greenwood Rashford Pogba Lingard Scotty and Williams in the 1st team getting first team games is great!
That's 6 players previously from the academy which is higher than the odds.
 
I do think Solskjaer has to take the blame for not playing him much. There was really no excuse earlier in the season. We were playing Lingard, who is useless, and Pereira who isn't much better. Is Gomes really that much worse than those two? I can't see how that is possible.

It sounds like 'If you don't sign a contract you won't play', but Gomes is thinking 'If I don't play then I'm not signing a contract.' I would not be surprised if that is what happened.

Seeing Chong, who has been pretty awful, get opportunities ahead of him probably hasn't helped.

He is a talented youngster; I have no doubt that he will end up at a very good club. The guy is free, so there will be a lot of teams in for him. I think it will be Chelsea, but Dortmund are a possibility.

I will give it two or three seasons and we will be trying to buy him back for £80m
 


Would be quite disappointing seeing him end up at Chelsea tbh, they've already got a stable of young English talent coming through under fat Frank and he would only add to that
 
limerickcitykid said:
There is little in difference between the divisions and if anything the second division is more physical with older players as top teams tend to play 17-18 year olds. Either way he was fantastic, which you tried to claim he wasn’t.

A loan to Vitesse kicked off Odegaard into being a top player so I’m sure Angel wouldn’t mind the same.
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Don't think he's quite that good. Been here all his life. If the club thought he was going to be another Pogba situation they'd up the offer. No way they'd want to make another mistake like that.

Don't think he will come back to haunt us personally. Mejbri n Garner look equally talented if not better prospects. That's probably in the clubs thinking too.
 
Think this is a purely money thing. If he goes to Chelsea he will not get a look in but will make some bank similar to CHO.

Good luck to him.
 
Greed unfortunately. He'd not shown it for the first team, and his people messed it up for him, as he wasn't showing the quality required to make us really feel that we need to bow down to his demands. We've got plenty of talent in front of him, and he clearly wasn't doing what was required to get more of a look in.

Always rated him high, he's been a sensational talent for us at the lower levels and I'm sad its ending like this, but its far from the end of the world and I won't be losing too much sleep over it even if he ends up at Chelsea, even if I'd hate to see that coming.
 
Untd55 said:
I do think Solskjaer has to take the blame for not playing him much. There was really no excuse earlier in the season. We were playing Lingard, who is useless, and Pereira who isn't much better. Is Gomes really that much worse than those two? I can't see how that is possible.

It sounds like 'If you don't sign a contract you won't play', but Gomes is thinking 'If I don't play then I'm not signing a contract.' I would not be surprised if that is what happened.

Seeing Chong, who has been pretty awful, get opportunities ahead of him probably hasn't helped.

He is a talented youngster; I have no doubt that he will end up at a very good club. The guy is free, so there will be a lot of teams in for him. I think it will be Chelsea, but Dortmund are a possibility.

I will give it two or three seasons and we will be trying to buy him back for £80m
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Agree
 
It’s a bit odd he hasn’t formally rejected the contract isn’t it? If he isn’t signing it why hasn’t he told us? To be honest I don’t see how he is going to get games and the fact we desperately wanted Bellingham plus we’re also looking to add Grealish tells me we don’t rate him all that highly at the moment. He would have been loaned out if he did sign and I’m assuming he feels he’s ready now. Big shame. I was a huge fan in his u18 days. His size is a big question mark though.
 
Untd55 said:
I do think Solskjaer has to take the blame for not playing him much. There was really no excuse earlier in the season. We were playing Lingard, who is useless, and Pereira who isn't much better. Is Gomes really that much worse than those two? I can't see how that is possible.
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I'm unsure there were many opportunities to experiment / play an untested player in Gomes, we were chasing top four pretty early on this season to be fair.

The tweet above says he is leaving because he has been offered more money elsewhere anyway.
 
What if he hasnt signed, is because Bellingham is incoming and will take his place in squad :devil:
 
I think it’s up to Gomes that he didn’t make it. Greenwood and Williams took their chances, and Mason is now a first XI player and Brandon definitely a squad player.
 
Motorman said:
What if he hasnt signed, is because Bellingham is incoming and will take his place in squad :devil:
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He probably doesn't see a route into the first team, which is why he hasn't signed. I think the disagreement in the contract was that he wanted guaranteed playing time and the club wouldn't give it him, plus a slightly higher wage.
 
Untd55 said:
I do think Solskjaer has to take the blame for not playing him much. There was really no excuse earlier in the season. We were playing Lingard, who is useless, and Pereira who isn't much better. Is Gomes really that much worse than those two? I can't see how that is possible.

It sounds like 'If you don't sign a contract you won't play', but Gomes is thinking 'If I don't play then I'm not signing a contract.' I would not be surprised if that is what happened.

Seeing Chong, who has been pretty awful, get opportunities ahead of him probably hasn't helped.

He is a talented youngster; I have no doubt that he will end up at a very good club. The guy is free, so there will be a lot of teams in for him. I think it will be Chelsea, but Dortmund are a possibility.

I will give it two or three seasons and we will be trying to buy him back for £80m
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Agree!
 
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