How's he supposed to show it for the first team if he doesn't get playing time? He played fairly well in preseason, wanted a loan which was turned down by Ole who than proceeded to barely play him the entire season.Greed unfortunately. He'd not shown it for the first team, and his people messed it up for him, as he wasn't showing the quality required to make us really feel that we need to bow down to his demands. We've got plenty of talent in front of him, and he clearly wasn't doing what was required to get more of a look in.
Always rated him high, he's been a sensational talent for us at the lower levels and I'm sad its ending like this, but its far from the end of the world and I won't be losing too much sleep over it even if he ends up at Chelsea, even if I'd hate to see that coming.
Rejected 25k, bit bonkers really. Just shows how much other clubs have offered him to run it down.
We've got no players on loan at Vitesse. I think that relationship is done.
You did send Blackman this season though. He just failed to play.
Fair enough, but I doubt he will be moving somewhere for less.Or that he wants to play football....
Pogba all over again, we will make out its about the money when its clearly not.
That's kinda what I mean, it seems we don't have any power over loanees getting game time.
Ampadu is another one who has had a pretty shit loan this season.
How's he supposed to show it for the first team if he doesn't get playing time? He played fairly well in preseason, wanted a loan which was turned down by Ole who than proceeded to barely play him the entire season.
Club should have locked him down last summer and let him go out on loan instead of allowing him to run down his contract till the last year.
Different positions, different challenges.I think it’s up to Gomes that he didn’t make it. Greenwood and Williams took their chances, and Mason is now a first XI player and Brandon definitely a squad player.
Chong.Different positions, different challenges.
Greenwood had an opening because the players in those positions hadn't cemented their position by last summer.
Williams was getting a look in because Shaw was blowing hot and cold even after years and years of being unchallenged in the position.
Midfield was going to be tough because our teams needs were immediate. We didn't have time to give a youth time to come in and learn.
Where is the evidence of Gomes’ so called unique talent? We haven’t seen it at all, he didn’t deliver. There was a lengthy period of Pogba injury pre-Bruno, there were dire needs in midfield - yet OGS didn’t even include Gomes in the squad usually. Why? Apparently, he didn’t deliver in training (contrary to those who did).
Some here selectively ignore that when they're annoyed that a player may leave. Tbh until 12.01am tomorrow I'll hold out some hope.I thought the club tended to take a stance if you are not comitting to the club you dont play
Bit silly, because people are obviously talking about his performances outside of the first team, where he's been brilliant and looked like one of the best youth products of the last ten years. That's the evidence. He's not instantly taken the step up, that's obvious and the issue which has led to him leaving.
Different positions, different challenges.
Greenwood had an opening because the players in those positions hadn't cemented their position by last summer.
Williams was getting a look in because Shaw was blowing hot and cold even after years and years of being unchallenged in the position.
Midfield was going to be tough because our teams needs were immediate. We didn't have time to give a youth time to come in and learn.
Bit silly, because people are obviously talking about his performances outside of the first team, where he's been brilliant and looked like one of the best youth products of the last ten years. That's the evidence. He's not instantly taken the step up, that's obvious and the issue which has led to him leaving.
He is nowhere near as good as Pogba was at his age. He might become a decent player, but the situations are quite different IMO. Pogba simply was ready back then (he started many games the following season for Juve, and became a starter a season after that), Angel is nowhere ready.Or that he wants to play football....
Pogba all over again, we will make out its about the money when its clearly not.
Yes, because that's what happens when players don't commit to a contract. It happens literally every time.Gomes has been training with the first team for ages . If he was showing he was good enough in training he would have gotten more chances .
Do people honestly think he was showing every day he was better than those players above him and Ole just ignored it ?
He is nowhere near as good as Pogba was at his age. He might become a decent player, but the situations are quite different IMO. Pogba simply was ready back then (he started many games the following season for Juve, and became a starter a season after that), Angel is nowhere ready.
Sorry then, I misunderstood. What I meant it that Gomes might be a lose, but nowhere near in the category of Pogba (if he leaves). He won't become a 100m player IMO.Who said he was?
The fact is again just like Pogba people are saying its about the money when its clear if you have followed the player that the concern is about playing time and always has been
So any young player that turns down a contract over playing time concerns is a Pogba?Who said he was?
The fact is again just like Pogba people are saying its about the money when its clear if you have followed the player that the concern is about playing time and always has been
Sorry then, I misunderstood. What I meant it that Gomes might be a lose, but nowhere near in the category of Pogba (if he leaves). He won't become a 100m player IMO.
Let's see.
So any young player that turns down a contract over playing time concerns is a Pogba?
Never mind the fact that Pogba actually agreed a deal with another club behind our back long before Fergie paid him a visit, vs Gomes' contract being on the table until the last day?
Nah, you said "Pogba all over again", I'm just pointing out that it was a lazy comparison unless you think he could be as good as Pogba, which you backtrackedYou are clearly lost... read the whole conversation, it wasn't a negative slant on the player. I was obviously saying it isn't about the money why he is leaving.
Regarding Pogba "behind our back" that's a conversation for a separate thread because we were in negotiations with him at first and we didn't do enough (playing time wise) which led to that as is well documented.
Fergies last ditch attempt was too late damage was done.
Nah, you said "Pogba all over again", I'm just pointing out that it was a lazy comparison unless you think he could be as good as Pogba, which you backtracked
Yes, because that's what happens when players don't commit to a contract. It happens literally every time.
Said this further up but people are doing mental gymnastics to try and spin some sort of conspiracy as to why "one of the hottest prospects in world football" has been allowed to leave the club. It's simple, any of the questions or excuses people are coming up with, just answer yourself with 'if he was good enough'.BS Chong was getting games when it looked like he wasn't going to sign . You have be deluded to think Ole was refusing to give Gomes a shot if Gomes was outshining everyone in front of him during training.
Managers are not going to refuse picking players who can win them games and keep them in their job
