Agreed. We made that mistake with the likes of Wilson and Januzai - both of which showed a hell of a lot more promise than Gomes.
Angel Gomes (United confirm departure)
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Agreed. We made that mistake with the likes of Wilson and Januzai - both of which showed a hell of a lot more promise than Gomes.
Pogba decided to leave he made the best choice for his career the next season he made 27 appearances for Juve in the league. By the looks of it he wouldnt have made that many league appearances for United simple as that. Whether he was accelerated or not he was in the squad and Fergie was hesitant to trust him.
I dont blame Fergie it was a difficult season but United as a club was complacent with his contract and we did not do enough to convince the player he was a priority above less talented players like Anderson Cleverly et al. That was ultimately what made him seek a move elsewhere.
By the time Fergie started playing him to convince him to stay Pogba had already agreed to join Juve.Too little too late, this is my last post on this matter. We will agree to disagree
Lingaard failed so give him his chance
Realistically probably not going to be a first team player here, but obviously has a lot of potential.
Seems to have turned our deal down for playing time next season which seems reasonable from his point of view given that his chances have been limited here this year and Lingard/Andres keep getting picked in front of him.
He is probably doing the right thing for his career, will be a shame if he develops well but don’t think anyone has done anything wrong here, player or club.
Seems to have turned our deal down for playing time next season which seems reasonable from his point of view given that his chances have been limited here this year and Lingard/Andres keep getting picked in front of him.
He is probably doing the right thing for his career, will be a shame if he develops well but don’t think anyone has done anything wrong here, player or club.
It's a waste of time for some, but for others it's not. You still have the opportunity to train with the first team against top players and develop within the first team. And what is happening with club academies across Europe, are those matches still being played? I say that because that's where his development would be in a big English club, plus some cup matches but even then it's not enough playing time.
He'll never reach his full potential until his mind and body reach maturity and there's a style of play that suits his technical abilities club and league. Can see him go to Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Germany if he choose to go abroad.
Lingard is older obviously, but it took him years to break into the first team with United and when he first did, he got injured then came back into the first team to compete for his chances. He became a United first team player, won an FA Cup Final in dramatic fashion, and has played international with England within a great World Cup run. He showed the persistence and patience needed for some players who really wanted to make it at United.
United wanted Gomes or else they wouldn't have offered him a contract. He didn't see it or believe it in his POV, then so be it. We'll all move on from Gomes and we wish him the best.
I'm struggling to recall what Wilson was like as a player, but surely Gomes has better potential than Wilson?
He scored goals for fun in the reserves. Cracking finisher.
Is it fact that Ole blocked him going on loan or just rumours that have been turned into fact? Because all I can find is a Sun article with no quotes and I have no memory of it.
Exactly this.
Why should I waste time playing with reserves and just being glad training with first team while seeing players much worse than me getting to play more minutes while I can move to other clubs, play more, improve myself more and become a much better player faster than just training with reserves. In case of Pogba why he would stay in a club he's barely playing in and seeing United going with Park and Rafael in midfield ahead of him (and losing the match too) with key injuries around when he can move to another big club like Juve and play all the time ? No brainer really. Again if you ask him now about this decision what do you expect ? That he'll say he regrets it and should have stayed and waited for his chance ? His answer would be obvious.
Maybe Lingard waited all this because he's not even as half talented as Gomes or Pogba who knew they're much better than playing for reserves and seeing trash players playing ahead of them. Some players are more ambitious and know their value. Some are just content to stick around and glad to be in such level even if they don't play a minute. Ambition is a key, and I know which profile of player I prefer.
Ultimately it's the right move for his career. He'll be 20 by August. No more time for such a talented player to waste in reserves. Time to move on and seek to develop his talent in a club willing to give him time for that. We didn't play him enough when injuries were left, right and center, we didn't send him in a loan. We just wanted to keep him around even without playing a minute to be just an "option" for when we decide it's the right time to play him. Of course no talented player who really believes in himself will accept such thing. Try to think from the player's perspective, not the club's one.
Yes we'll have to move on but we managed everything about him poorly and again for God sake, I hope we don't come 3-4 years later and bring posts from this thread and laugh at it and regret not managing this situation better. I hope this doesn't happen, because it'll reflect poorly on the club.
I've completely forgotten us under LVG, other than the few montages and press conferences. Probably for good reason
Yeah but I'm just trying to see it from Ole's POV... He's all about it being a privalege to play for United, so maybe him not wanting to commit rubbed him up the wrong way? All just speculation of course.
Pretty poor to block a loan move for the player and then not even play him
Agree with this
The seeming lack of links to other clubs (even today when the press are all on him) suggests maybe that the Chelsea link earlier might be correct - he signs for a higher salary, gets loaned for a couple of years and Chelsea then sell him at a profit somewhere later. Should mean that we get a tiny bit back at a tribunal for him at least.
I really feel he is being badly advised, if he or his advisors think this is another Pogba situation and he'll have big clubs lining up to sign him, because if he is he has a big shock coming, Pogba was making loads of noise all over Europe at 17 years old, Angel is making a lot of noise ... on social media, and he's 20 in a few months, for once i truly believe we have an exciting project to offer for youngsters, a manager who believes in youth and you will get your chances, however if you want an easy ride he would be better of joining Leeds or a club like that, Chelsea would be career suicide, there's no way he leaves this club for anything other than more money, and well if that's his priority it's a good thing he is leaving, i'd much prefer having players like Williams who keeps his head down, works hard, get's paid well and earning his chances through hard work and determination
Good on the club for not backing down to his most likely ridiculous wage demands, we may finally start to be learning.
Good on the club for not backing down to his most likely ridiculous wage demands, we may finally start to be learning.
Scholes, a player of similar stature, wasn’t getting minutes at this age either. He only started to feature at 20 and was still only introduced sparingly for a while after that.
You’d swear Gomes was 24 the way some are going on. He’s got plenty of time still. Scholes ended up with 700+ appearances.
Gomes didn't get minutes when we were playing with Lingard, Periera and Mata. I'm not sure how people are expecting him to think he'll play more when Pogba and Bruno are starters now so yeah worth sticking around than seeking my future in another club.
Every man and his dog knows Gomes is a better player than Lingard.
They've been able to judge his U23 performances against kids and make that judgement (Not that most have seen him play either
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They've been able to judge his U23 performances against kids and make that judgement (Not that most have seen him play either
)Interesting player and although he didn’t exactly do anything great in the matches played he should have definitely came into our main squad instead of Lingard who is just shite.
If he thinks he’s good enough then yes, he should believe he will get the opportunity.
The 3 players you mentioned are likely to be moved on or phased out in the very near future.
Every man and his dog knows Gomes is a better player than Lingard.
They've been able to judge his U23 performances against kids and make that judgement (Not that most have seen him play either
At this moment in time he isn’t better though. He isn’t better than Lingard that’s the point.
Lingard and Pereira are both bang average and shouldn’t be near the first team and Gomes isn’t even at their level. At 19 he’s got potential and needs to be playing first team football but he’s not good enough for United, in fact he wouldn’t get much game time at any PL club at this stage.
Or just move to a club where I'll play more and get to improve myself much better and faster, rather than tying myself to the club and gambling on some thing that might not happen, seeing how it didn't actually happen when worse players were starters for us.
It's currently the right move for him, regardless if he turns out being a new Pogba for us or not.
I honestly couldn’t care less. We’re building a squad of players that want to be here and if he doesn’t, then it’s best he goes now.
If he was the talent people say he is, clubs would have been lining up for him to sign a pre contract before now.
If he was the talent people say he is, clubs would have been lining up for him to sign a pre contract before now.
why do you state that this has happened? Is it becuse you know it, or have you just gone all in on a rumour? it soundspoor, but itmay also sound like an unfounded accusation., unless it’s founded, of course.
Because it did happen and Ole said it before window closed. Same for Garner and Chong
Well that depends largely on where he ends up and how it pans out.
Surprise Dortmund havent been linked, seems like the type of deal they would try pull off.
Makes you wonder why he isn't getting playing time though, Ole gives a lot of chances to young players, its not good enough for people outside of the club to say he has got potential you have to trust the coaches that see it daily to make the choice as to why he isn't playing, potential alone isn't enough you have to show everyday why you deserve it and it looks like he isn't or hasn't been doing that
If he was good enough then Ole would be playing him. It’s that simple... I’m a big fan of Angel but he’s clearly not doing enough in training to get a chance
Where is Nicky Butt in all this? Isn’t it his job to pave a way from the youth team to the first team?
Penny for his thoughts right now.
Penny for his thoughts right now.
He's off to Dortmund
Sorry, I was talking on behalf of half the cafe and their ability to know whose better than who with more than likely never / rarely watching Gomes, and knowing how he does in training
I get that he's leaving considering he hasn't gotten games, but there was room for him here even if we are planning on bringing in Sancho. Gomes should have played ahead of both Mata and Lingard this season, and those two should be out the door this summer. At least there's potential in Gomes.
Two players 19 and under have played 67 games between them for United this season. If that is his job then he’s doing it pretty well.
Doesn't he hold some sort of goalscoring record at reserve level?
The headline is sensationalist but Butt is fairly level headed: https://www.teamtalk.com/news/nicky-butt-warns-man-utd-about-cost-of-losing-angel-gomes
Has not been a standout performer in the 23's for 2 years. Didn't sign a contract offer. Shame but bye bye.
I don't disagree with your belief in wanting players who are hungry and are ambitious. But when you're that young, that small, that weak, but have potential, it's going to take time. I think United know how to develop players by now. If I come up through the ranks at United, and I really wanted to play for them and they wanted me, I'd sign with them knowing that time is still on my side.
Pogba's situation is nowhere near Gomes's situation because of player talent and player mental/physical/emotional status. Again, Pogba was the exception and not the rule.
All players know their value, especially when they are part of a first team squad and first XI. Gomes has always been on the fringes of being a first team squad player.
As a player of that age and that stature, I'd have more patience if I really wanted to play for United. They believed in me through my teenage years and still believe in me by offering me a contract that bridges me from teenage years into early 20s as a professional.
I don't think Gomes has been treated any differently compared to Garner, Greenwood, McTominay, Henderson, and the other youth players who have resigned a contract going into this season or during the season. They've been given a path towards the first team and believed in the process set by the club. Gomes doesn't believe it in anymore. If he does himself good in a career after United, that's great on his part, happy for him. But only time will tell and really it's now up to Gomes to see how far his talent and self-belief carries him. I hope he goes to a club that is a good fit for him in terms of his talents and not just because of the immediate money he could make. We'll see an "Angel Gomes - 20/21 Performances" thread I'm sure, and then we'll be able to continue to judge him.
Either way, if I'm the player I have a lot to prove and improve on myself as a professional regardless of what club I'm playing for. The economics and politics of this can always get sloppy and be far from the truth.
Probably best he leaves to be honest, we can't keep them all happy and if he was good enough he would have had more chances.
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