Angel Gomes (United confirm departure)

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Those of you saying that he didn't impress when he got the chances, he generally did well when played in his proper role and poorly when he played out of position. He just had more gametime out of position (two full games) than he did in his proper position (just over one full game spread out over a bunch of appearances).

In the Europa League he played the first game against Astana and was arguably our best player until he tired in the second half. Then he played on the left against AZ Alkmaar and the second Astana match and was fairly poor. In the Premier League he played 9 minutes against West Ham and 10 minutes against Norwich, and looked quite good both times in a central position. In the EFL Cup he got 26 minutes against Man City in the centre and was good.

That's the grand total of his first team opportunities. It's important to note that he did have some badly timed injuries at moments that he may have got other games, but there were still quite a lot of opportunities that he could have got game time ahead of Lingard, Pereira and Mata. Especially when his primary position was our weakest position in the first half of the season until we signed Bruno. If he couldn't get games then, what chance does he have now that we've signed Bruno and we seem to be looking seriously at Grealish?
 
If I were him I'd be wanting a move to somewhere like PSV.
 
Can’t blame the guy for wanting to leave the way this clubs run and the fact that Mata, Lingard & Pereira get chance, after chance, and they just stink the place out every fecking time.
How many minutes has Gomes had this season?
 
paulscholes18 said:
Can’t blame the guy for wanting to leave the way this clubs run and the fact that Mata, Lingard & Pereira get chance, after chance, and they just stink the place out every fecking time.
How many minutes has Gomes had this season?
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He's had 19 minutes over 2 appearances.

Said this before, those lads are shit but they've earned the chance to turn themselves around. They've been in his shoes and made an impact, they're both also full internationals, Gomes has done none of those things.

Those names are definitely in last chance saloon but they earned the right to be given more chances than the likes of Gomes, that's just the way it is, unfortunately.
 
I don’t blame him for wanting to leave, especially when he wasn’t given a chance in the 1st team before we got Bruno in January and when Pogba was injured earlier on. When utter garbage like Pereira & Lingard are continuously getting a game over you and both of them are consistently putting in the same old crap performances, then is there much point sticking around?

Will be interested to see how his career develops.
 
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Good luck to him. Sure he'll find a good club and decent career elsewhere.
 
It's probably gutting for the fans that have heard how promising he could be since he was barely a teenager and were keeping tabs on him. He had a lot of hype, it's a shame we're not going to see if he could make it.
 
He probably saw Chelsea gave CHO 120k a week and he wanted similar and thought the 30k a week offer from us was insulting.

Remember there being massive speculation 3/4 years ago about whether or not he'd sign a contract then, he seemingly loves a contract dispute which is definitely a worrying trend as he hasnt even proven anything yet.

Let's hope he comes back on a free transfer if he proves his worth, right now though he's no big miss, just hope it doesnt set a trend for our other youngsters!
 
Solksjaer has been more than willing to play young players this season. Two of our starting front three our from the academy ffs. He's shown no hesitation to do so if he thinks the players are ready. The fact that Gomes hasn't payed much, should speak volumes about whether the coaching staff think he is ready or not. I doubt any young player that isn't able to push for a first team place under the current regime. There has rarely been a better time to be an academy prospect at this club, or any top club. Fact is, the club have offered him a good contract, and he's decided to decline it. With players likely to move on in the summer, including Lingard, and possibly Mata, there would seem to be every opportunity for him to be more prominent next season. But he's chosen to leave, and so be it. Ultimately we only ever want players here that want to be here. This one smells more of Zeki Fryers than Paul Pogba, as candidly, I just don't think Gomes will make it a the top level. Nevertheless, no one has a crystal ball. Players can be surprising in their development, as it is rarely linear, or a one size fits all process. If he goes on to another club, and develops into a top player, he will be vindicated, and good on him. Either way, his heart or mind wasn't set to make it here, and we should all move on.

You look at the minutes and attention already given to the likes of Williams, Garner, Tuanzebe, Chong and Greenwood this season, plus the imminent promotions of Laird and Mengi, added to the existing academy players established in the first team squad in Rashford, McTominay, Pereira, Lingard, and Pogba - and I think it's a time to be very proud. Then you look at the chances given to Wan-Bissaka, Dan James, Diogo Dalot - all young players - and you have to think that if Gomes doesn't think he break through in that environment, then he obviously doesn't have a lot of confidence in his own ability to make it.
 
simonhch said:
Solksjaer has been more than willing to play young players this season. Two of our starting front three our from the academy ffs. He's shown no hesitation to do so if he thinks the players are ready. The fact that Gomes hasn't payed much, should speak volumes about whether the coaching staff think he is ready or not. I doubt any young player that isn't able to push for a first team place under the current regime. There has rarely been a better time to be an academy prospect at this club, or any top club. Fact is, the club have offered him a good contract, and he's decided to decline it. With players likely to move on in the summer, including Lingard, and possibly Mata, there would seem to be every opportunity for him to be more prominent next season. But he's chosen to leave, and so be it. Ultimately we only ever want players here that want to be here. This one smells more of Zeki Fryers than Paul Pogba, as candidly, I just don't think Gomes will make it a the top level. Nevertheless, no one has a crystal ball. Players can be surprising in their development, as it is rarely linear, or a one size fits all process. If he goes on to another club, and develops into a top player, he will be vindicated, and good on him. Either way, his heart or mind wasn't set to make it here, and we should all move on.

You look at the minutes and attention already given to the likes of Williams, Garner, Tuanzebe, Chong and Greenwood this season, plus the imminent promotions of Laird and Mengi, added to the existing academy players established in the first team squad in Rashford, McTominay, Pereira, Lingard, and Pogba - and I think it's a time to be very proud. Then you look at the chances given to Wan-Bissaka, Dan James, Diogo Dalot - all young players - and you have to think that if Gomes doesn't think he break through in that environment, then he obviously doesn't have a lot of confidence in his own ability to make it.
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It was clear in preseason he didn't fancy Gomes, even though he was better than some players he was playing in preseason (going by their pre season performances) the major issue was Matas new contract which for me was a mistake.
 
Zoo said:
Chong has continously been given chances by Ole despite barely making an impact. He showed a willingness to commit, unlike Gomes.
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Didn't Chongy agree to go to Inter then changed his mind? And he was getting more game time than Gomes before he decided to stay.
 
Zoo said:
Chong has continously been given chances by Ole despite barely making an impact. He showed a willingness to commit, unlike Gomes.
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Yes he was getting games (and playing like crap) whilst his agent was flying out to Inter to negotiate a contract...
 
He could have forced his way into the team with standout performances against Astana and AZ

Didn't happen. Wish him all the best
 
I realise it's an easy argument to make but think he's too small for the Premier League.

He could get away with it if he was already a supreme talent (and he might well become one) but the physicality side of his game isn't going to help in a team like ours.

He's truly better off going somewhere where he could eventually become an anchor point with other, bigger players around him (i.e., not Chelsea but rather Benfica, Ajax, etC).
 
Silky ball control but if sancho comes on board he’s utterly useless to this team. Sancho is everything we think Gomes would be - but Gomes is not. Has a lot of development to do and he won’t get it here. Good mutual agreement
 
Too many good players who can already play in the areas of the pitch he would want to play, and I don't see him reinventing himself into a right winger!

It's right for him to go seek something, hopefully abroad where he will probably make a decent career for himself.

He never getting a look in on the left or behind the striker ahead of Pogba or Fernandes. And if we sign Grealish, he has literally no chance.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Too many good players who can already play in the areas of the pitch he would want to play, and I don't see him reinventing himself into a right winger!

It's right for him to go seek something, hopefully abroad where he will probably make a decent career for himself.

He never getting a look in on the left or behind the striker ahead of Pogba or Fernandes. And if we sign Grealish, he has literally no chance.
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Like who? There is only one in our entire squad and he only came in Jan.

Pogba wasn't fit all season and Pogba isn't even a 10. Agree if we sign Grealish he has no chance but his competition was Lingard, Pereira and Mata and if any of them are at the club next season it will be a travesty
 
Cassidy said:
Like who? There is only one in our entire squad and he only came in Jan.

Pogba wasn't fit all season and Pogba isn't even a 10. Agree if we sign Grealish he has no chance but his competition was Lingard, Pereira and Mata and if any of them are at the club next season it will be a travesty
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I take your point, but being as highly rated as he is, I'm sure he doesn't want to be waiting in the wings for a cup game here and there either.

Fernandes will play near enough every game if he's fit, and Pogba has played as the advanced midfielder on many occasions.

Grealish would of course be the final nail, and I'd be surprised if we didn't get him, especially if Villa get relegated.
 
Cassidy said:
"he hasn't done much when he's played" was said about Pogba in 2012...
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Nobody doubted anything about Pogba's talent, position, mentality, or physicality when he left United. Fergie had issues with Raiola and knew the club had plans with Pogba, but it was too late and he was turned. But when you're trying to win trophies or battling trophies as was the case when Pogba left and trying to get to CL places and advance in cup competitions like United are currently, you don't have the leeway of throwing a player like Gomes in the deep end in a central or wide area where you can't be a complete unknown. People talk about his raw talent, but what about how he fits within the team and what's expected of him. He still needs that time to develop and be integrated into men's football.
 
Thought he looked decent in preseason and was expecting him to be given opportunities but it has barely happened.

Feel like he will do well for another club, hopefully its abroad.
 
Cassidy said:
Like who? There is only one in our entire squad and he only came in Jan.

Pogba wasn't fit all season and Pogba isn't even a 10. Agree if we sign Grealish he has no chance but his competition was Lingard, Pereira and Mata and if any of them are at the club next season it will be a travesty
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United cannot afford to lose all 3 without a proper replacement and Gomes isn't a proper replacement. Sancho and a Grealish or VDB would be a proper replacement for at least two of those three (Lingard, Pereria, Mata). There's an entire league difference between Sancho, Grealish, VDB versus Gomes.
 
Nickelodeon said:
It obviously feels that playing Lingard over him might've been the final straw. But he has been given a reasonable amount of opportunities in the first team. Hasn't really shown enough in my opinion.
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Just how have you come to that conclusion other than a personal dislike for Lingard?

Scapegoat Lingard is it on here?

The guy has barely played lately, yet he’s partly the reason as to why, a player who has shown nothing of merit, to want to leave?
 
It's only really sad cos he's been with us so long and we had such high hopes for him. The reality though is he isn't really good enough to push the boat out for. Even in an era when we have the youngest starting 11 in the league, he's struggling to get in. Mata, Lingard and Perreira may be dross but they're still better than Gomes. I wish him well. Might just blossom somewhere else. Pogba Mk 2 though, he's definitely not.
 
He’s been pretty mediocre in the u23’s and hasn’t performed for the first team when given a chance (I know he’s had limited chances but still)

I cant see him being a regular for a top club anytime soon and don’t think it’s much of a loss. Good like to him.
 
Certainly interested to see where he ends up, if he's going somewhere where he's a lot more likely to get plenty of first team chances then fair enough as it's probably what he needs right now. If he ends up at a Chelsea or Dortmund type team, where it's clear he's gone for the better contract offer, then it'll be really disappointing and I don't think would be a wise career move.

Gutted he never made the breakthrough with us though, he's so technically sound and comfortable on the ball and I love players that make the game look easy so I'd hoped we would get to watch him develop into a little magician for us, shame.
 
el3mel said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/angel-gomes/profil/spieler/392770

He played 2 matches in the league combined total 19 minutes only. One match in EFL cup in which he played 26 minutes. Total he played 45 minutes domestically only. about a single half of football. He was present on the bench for 3 other matches and didn't play. His other matches were in EL and only 3 matches. Definitely not enough to judge anyone and see he's good enough or not, and definitely not enough for him when he sees players like Lingard and Periera shitting the place and still getting chances after chances while key players are injured.

How can you say a player is good enough or not when he doesn't even play ? Jeez it's like an infinite circle. To know if the player deserves more play time you have to play him first and see, especially when players playing ahead of him doing nothing in particular.

There's no conspiracy. Some just want to feel better about this situation by saying it's his loss and we did nothing wrong. We managed everything about him poorly and we can only hope at the moment we won't regret it and he won't shine up in another club because it'll reflect poorly on us in how we managed him.

How he would have got more games next season with Pogba and Bruno around, when he didn't even get chances when Lingard and Periera around ? Again, try to think a little bit from the player's perspective. He chose the right move for his career.
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Agree. My only question is why we didn't send him out on loan? He would've got game time and we woulda been able to see if he had something. Instead we kept him and said he'd play and then didn't play him. Not great management is it?
 
Gomes needed a loan in the Championship to toughen up and develop physically. He didn't get it. Lamptey refused a contract at Chelsea to go and play at Brighton. Gomes needs to take a similar path. Marcus Edwards was a supremely talented kid and had to go to Portugal to play. These lads need first team football.
 
edcunited1878 said:
United cannot afford to lose all 3 without a proper replacement and Gomes isn't a proper replacement. Sancho and a Grealish or VDB would be a proper replacement for at least two of those three (Lingard, Pereria, Mata). There's an entire league difference between Sancho, Grealish, VDB versus Gomes.
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Missing the point again. Who said there isn't

There isn't between Gomes and Mata, Lingard and Pereira and only one of them has upside.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Nobody doubted anything about Pogba's talent, position, mentality, or physicality when he left United. Fergie had issues with Raiola and knew the club had plans with Pogba, but it was too late and he was turned. But when you're trying to win trophies or battling trophies as was the case when Pogba left and trying to get to CL places and advance in cup competitions like United are currently, you don't have the leeway of throwing a player like Gomes in the deep end in a central or wide area where you can't be a complete unknown. People talk about his raw talent, but what about how he fits within the team and what's expected of him. He still needs that time to develop and be integrated into men's football.
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Not true. Many said he didn't look good when he got chances in the first team and that he wouldn't get minutes at Juve because he wasn't ready.
 
Cassidy said:
Missing the point again. Who said there isn't

There isn't between Gomes and Mata, Lingard and Pereira and only one of them has upside.
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You dont sign players on long term contracts because they are better than Pereira. Thats how we got Pereira.
 
cyberman said:
You dont sign players on long term contracts because they are better than Pereira. Thats how we got Pereira.
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For 1 we offered Gomes a contract, he rejected it. Lets not act like the club didn't want him to stay.
At 19 Gomes has the talent to be much better than Pereira and that is why he should have been prioritised for minutes ahead at least one of Mata, Lingard, or Pereira this season. If that had happened he would have signed.
It was an obvious mistake last summer signing up Mata who has been utter trash this season, it was also obvious we were wasting our time giving Lingard minutes earlier this season.

The reason we have players like Mata in our squad now is that our squad management is poor.
 
I feel that Gomes and Chong were in the same position when the season started. The longer it went without them signing a new contract the fewer chances they got. Suddenly Chong started getting involved again, quite obviously down to thefact that he was about to sign a new contract, whilst Gomes remained mainly unused.

The point being, why should United use their resources (playing time) to develop a player unwilling to commit his future to the club? That playing time should then rather be spent on players who will be here next season. Best solution would imo have been for Gomes to have signed a short time contract (1 or 2 years) before christmas, giving the club an incentive to play him, without him sacrificing his next 5 years if it didn’t work out.

best of luck to him though, just hope for his sake he does go to a club that will give him minutes to develop.
 
Cassidy said:
Not true. Many said he didn't look good when he got chances in the first team and that he wouldn't get minutes at Juve because he wasn't ready.
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Pogba wasn't ready to assume a large role at United, but that didn't mean he couldn't play a handful of matches and be integrated properly but slowly. At Juve, he was surrounded by a host of talented players at a much slower league, but still competitive and good level. At the time Fergie was still deploying a two man midfield in a 442, 451 type setup.

You're looking at it in a very shortsighted manner. He was quality and he was going to become a first team regular. He didn't have to set the world alight straightaway, players rarely do that. But everything was there for him to become successful but didn't have the patience, along with Raiola to see through that transition from United reserve/academy team to first team.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Pogba wasn't ready to assume a large role at United, but that didn't mean he couldn't play a handful of matches and be integrated properly but slowly. At Juve, he was surrounded by a host of talented players at a much slower league, but still competitive and good level. At the time Fergie was still deploying a two man midfield in a 442, 451 type setup.

You're looking at it in a very shortsighted manner. He was quality and he was going to become a first team regular. He didn't have to set the world alight straightaway, players rarely do that. But everything was there for him to become successful but didn't have the patience, along with Raiola to see through that transition from United reserve/academy team to first team.
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Who is talking about a large role :lol: he couldn't get game in CM ahead of Park and Fabio
The club was shortsighted with Pogba and has been shortsighted regarding Gomes (who again we didn't prioritise over the likes of Mata Lingard and Pereira)
 
Cassidy said:
For 1 we offered Gomes a contract, he rejected it. Lets not act like the club didn't want him to stay.
At 19 Gomes has the talent to be much better than Pereira and that why he should have been prioritised for minutes ahead at least one of Mata, Lingard, or Pereira this season. If that had happened he would have signed.
It was an obvious mistake last summer signing up Mata who has been utter trash this season, it was also obvious we were wasting our time giving Lingard minutes earlier this season.
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We did offer him the contract and based on that we thought he wasn't ready or why else would we not play him?
We had a horrendous injury list this year, we were an injury away from those 3 being depended on in midfield. Getting rid of them for a kid who has 1 year left on his contract, who hasnt impressed ay all, would be a ridiculously poor choice.
Good luck to Angel, Im sure he can have a great career for himself but challenging Bruno and Pogba for a first team spot isnt for him
 
Never impressed me whenever I've seen him play. He looks far too lightweight to make it at United. He doesn't suit our style of play currently in my opinion so makes sense for him to move on.
 
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