Angel Di Maria

By intermittent and infrequent appearances you mean 40 games (regardless of time) in which he was never deployed in a central midfield position. Are you denying that this was the idea that SAF had in mind for him when he signed him? SAF certainly knows in which position he's more useful at United. That's not the point. The point is that it was a bad career move for him (at least from what was seen until now) to go there. And at the price you all payed for him I'm sure you also expected something different. This is not hindsight, this was our opinion at the time and so far it seems spot on.

We're not football morons here, we know what player we had, what he used to do before he came and what he did here. We had our share of good players that left and not one - not Jardel, not Deco or Carvalho, not Lisandro or Lucho - left the fans so despaired for not being able to see more of him. People went berserk here and there's a reason for that, despite at 31.5 million euros being our most expensive sale ever.

And we all questioned at the time? Why now, and why United? Were will they fit him in the pitch? They don't use that sort of player...

He was expected to be world-class now. Sure, there are a million reasons that could prevent this from happening, a lot of players get lost on that rise to stardom. The thing is that with him we'll never know, because he went to a place where a level of teamwork, tactical discipline and defensive duties were expected from him. It's not a few odd games in a "free-role" position in a team that doesn't even play like that most of the time that's gonna make up for the fact that he was retrained to a different role than the one he was originally best at.

Come on now, you can't stress how little football he played for Porto (3 or 4 starts, another 14 or 15 sub appearances) when we're talking about goal threat, then suddenly decide you've actually judged him over the course of 40 games.

That smacks of twisting the facts to suit your argument.

You also got his transfer fee wrong.
 
Come on now, you can't stress how little football he played for Porto (3 or 4 starts, another 14 or 15 sub appearances) when we're talking about goal threat, then suddenly decide you've actually judged him over the course of 40 games.

That smacks of twisting the facts to suit your argument.

You also got his transfer fee wrong.

I didn't judge him over the course of 40 games. We just looked back to what he used to do before we hired him.

The thing is that in that little time that he played he always assumed control of the game. Seeing a 17-18 year old do that is impressive. And I'm not twisting facts, you're the one trying to find loopholes in my arguments at all cost, while being incapable to admit the simple point that he never was a CM and Manchester United tried to adapt him to that position (this is the only point I'm trying to make, along with the fact that this hindered his progression).

You'd say the same if Real Madrid bought Macheda and started to use him as a winger. You don't need to watch 50 games of him to know what he does best.

And everyone at Porto assumes that Manchester payed 31.5 million euros for him (not all for us because we didn't own 100% of his pass, something like 80%). So if that wasn't the deal, someone lied to us. What was the transfer value then?
 
I didn't judge him over the course of 40 games. We just looked back to what he used to do before we hired him.

The thing is that in that little time that he played he always assumed control of the game. Seeing a 17-18 year old do that is impressive. And I'm not twisting facts, you're the one trying to find loopholes in my arguments at all cost, while being incapable to admit the simple point that he never was a CM and Manchester United tried to adapt him to that position (this is the only point I'm trying to make, along with the fact that this hindered his progression).

You'd say the same if Real Madrid bought Macheda and started to use him as a winger. You don't need to watch 50 games of him to know what he does best.

And everyone at Porto assumes that Manchester 31.5 million for him (not all for us because we didn't own 100% of his pass, something like 80%). So if that wasn't the deal, someone lied to us. What was the transfer value then?

Not really.

I'm just pointing out that he was never "a big goal threat" and that your allegedly informed opinion comes from watching him start just 3 or 4 games. Those aren't loop-holes, those are fachts.

I'm sure everyone at Porto was very excited about him. I know I was after my first few glimpses of him in a United shirt. That doesn't mean anything though. Fans get carried away by talented young footballers all the time. And he is talented, just not the player that you or I thought he was when we'd only watched him play a few games for our respective clubs*.




*Not yet, anyway.
 
Not really.

I'm just pointing out that he was never "a big goal threat" and that your allegedly informed opinion comes from watching him start just 3 or 4 games. Those aren't loop-holes, those are fachts.

I'm sure everyone at Porto was very excited about him. I know I was after my first few glimpses of him in a United shirt. That doesn't mean anything though. Fans get carried away by talented young footballers all the time. And he is talented, just not the player that you or I thought he was when we'd only watched him play a few games for our respective clubs*.




*Not yet, anyway.

If you check those videos in the link I posted previously you can see what I mean by goal threat - that the team looked closer to scoring when he was on the pitch, whether by him directly shooting or by awesome assists. That's a good volume of football right there considering the amount of game time he had.

And of course I know we could all be carried away and that even if he stayed year one or two more years here and then went to Barcelona or Milan he could still not be world class or what we expected of him. The part where we disagree is that I think going to Manchester United played a big role in him not becoming world class yet while you think it didn't. I agree to disagree.

Crackin learning of a language if true...

Thank you. Most well-educated people my age have a good grasp of English, we're not like the French. The fact that I study exclusively in English books (alternative would be awful Brazilian Portuguese translations) helped me improve it.
 
The prices associated with this kid are ridiculous.. he isn't better than Robben was when we could've signed him.
 
Portuguese newspapers have been promoting Benfica's players all around. None picked up on that rumor. Hottest muppetry at the moment is that City offered 30 millions for David Luiz and that Real only waits the "Mourinho's OK" to advance for Di María.

On the other hand, the same newspapers say that United is going to offer 60 millions Euros for Ribery. :D

Jesus, sports newspapers are a disgrace. And a fecking easy job. Each creates a rumor and the other reproduce it.

abola.pt
 
Anderson + 10m to sign him, christ he isn't a world-beater to cost that much.

Manchester United could sacrifice Anderson to land Benfica star Angel Di Maria | Mail Online


Ive just read about that. Ive not seen too much of Maria, but i think that could be a great deal for us. Im not an Anderson fan to be honest. His lack of shooting and aim for a midfielder has put me off him. I agree he's good, but not really United material. I also think SAF has fallen favour of him aswell.

I think this transfer has a very good possibility of happening out of all the others.
 
He sure as hell aint worth 38 million.
 
Oh God, please no, no Anderson at Benfica.
 
I bet that this rumour is coming from Di Maria`s agent to try to scare Real Madrid into tying up the deal quicker! I cant see Di Maria coming here. I dont think Benfica will want Anderson and 10 million when Real will be crazy enough and happy enough to pay at least 38 big ones for him! I think if Tosic had an impressive WC then Fergie might consider giving him another chance instead of forking out for Di Maria who is defintely as good as his hype suggests but too expensive.
 
I bet that this rumour is coming from Di Maria`s agent to try to scare Real Madrid into tying up the deal quicker! I cant see Di Maria coming here. I dont think Benfica will want Anderson and 10 million when Real will be crazy enough and happy enough to pay at least 38 big ones for him! I think if Tosic had an impressive WC then Fergie might consider giving him another chance instead of forking out for Di Maria who is defintely as good as his hype suggests but too expensive.

His agent and Real have both denied any possible stories about a move to Real. They're after Ribery anyway, I doubt they'd want Di Maria too.
 
Regarding the attitude problems in the past, some people take consideration to Ben Arfa's age. He is only 23 years old, and some people just need some time growing up. Rooney, Smith, Cantona where all to some extent considered as trouble makers when we signed them. I don't think any of them has acted badly after joining us... When retired players are asked of what Fergusons main strength is, a lot of them answers that his man to man mangment are examplarary. I think Ferguson are better at handeling trouble makers than anyone else, and I think he is better at developing players than anyone else in the game as well. I am sure he can get the best out of Ben Arfa, and if he can, we will have a very solid left winger in him. Raymond Dominech opted to chose him above Samir Nasri whom are staying at home, I rate Nasri as a solid player, and I think that says something about Ben Arfa’s strengths. If the question is Ben Arfa for less than £10m and Angel di Maria for over £30m… Ben Arfa is likely to be the better option.

Playing for Lyon and playing for United is two completely different contexts.

As a young "super-talent" whom he was a couple of years ago - you get a incredible high status in a club like Lyon. There are so many clubs that are bigger than Lyon, and if you want to become the best you have to play with and against the best - you cannot do that in France. Top clubs in Spain, Italy or England can always provide something that others can't. Look at Essien - he "went on strike" to leave for Chelsea. Benzema and Ben Arfa got into a argument as following of this, they were the two biggest talents in Lyon, arguably even all of France at the time. Media made a lot of noise of this - to me, Ben Arfa seems to been made a bit of the bad guy, while Benzema has gotten very little criticism of the same argument, that might have been what made Lyon sell Ben Arfa. But there are always two sides of a argument, perhaps Benzema was the worst of the two, being a huge central forward talent is worth more than a winger and therefor Benzema got his way. While Benzema has disappointed in Real Madrid this season, Ben Arfa has been brilliant since he left for Marseilles, being a part of a team that has done better than Lyon domestically for two years in a row and a key man to this seasons ligue 1 title. To my knowledge, there has been no controversy what so ever considering Ben Arfa since he joined Marseilles.

In Manchester United, Ben Arfa will have reached the top of his career. He cannot possibly go any further in terms of clubs, and I think he realizes that he simply cannot have the same status that he had in Lyon or Marseilles. And as I said, to my knowledge there have been no problems with Ben Arfa in Marseilles? We really should not judge to hard based on events that happened over 2 years ago regarding a 21 year old rising into stardom, he probably had a bit of a identity crisis back then, and as I said there are always two sides in a argument, the media might have got it wrong. At 23 year old, he will probably improve further the next couple of years. I think Ferguson is the man who can take him to new hights, he is rather experienced for such a young age, and he clearly has the physical abilities, he has pace, technique and good crosses, good enough to join the squad of one of the favorites to the world cup? I think he could be a bargain, especially if he costs only £8m.

Wrong thread?
 
No worries, still kind of relevant in this thread, as I guess you're saying you'd prefer Ben Arfa to Di Maria.

If di Maria will cost £38m whom he is linked for today... Compared to £8m for Ben Arfa... whom based on career and statistics has a rather equal if not even better career - I think I would go for Ben Arfa yet. I am sure Ben Arfa can do a great job for us if we opt sign him.
 
I would rather have Anderson stay here.

Given a choice of keeping Anderson & spending £8m on Ben Arfa, or spending £10m PLUS Anderson for Di Maria I'd rather sign Ben Arfa too.

But to be honest I don't think we need a winger, I'd rather see us buy a CM
 
According to an interview with NOTW, di Maria has his heart set on a dream move to Old Trafford.
“Since I was 13 or 14 years old, I’ve been telling my mother and my father that my dream is to play some day for Manchester United.

“And I won’t stop till I get it.

“When I watch [Wayne] Rooney and all of them on TV, I can’t wait to play there at Old Trafford.

“When I was a little boy I watched Arsenal games as well, but Manchester United always dazzled me most.
Source: Angel di Maria loves Manchester United
 
In that case theres no rush to get him. We can sort out midfield and possibly striker issues out in the next few windows and come back to Di Maria later, as for now wingers are the least of our concerns.
 
Lets give it a few days, he could come out and say something was lost in translation... altho i think he gave a interview a while back about something similar.
 
We should let him go to Real and then poach him when he's one of the best :smirk:
 
Excuse my ignorance but I thought Real bought him a few weeks back?
 
I remember vividly the first thing he said when he came to Benfica was that he wanted to make a good season so he could go play to Chelsea...

I don't get how you value those "I love Manchester United since I was a kid"... Is it the Ronaldo trauma? Players will say what's most convenient for them at the time. Every player will say they always loved Manchester if they're in an inferior club and are rumored to be a target, at least if they're not English, when their club affiliation is not easy to fake. The same way that if they one day want to leave, they'll say the always loved the club where they want to go (probably only Real or Barcelona in that kind of scenario).
 
Official statement from Benfica
"There are no offers whatsoever that have been made to this company from any club, notably Real Madrid, company, businessman or any intermediary for the athlete Angel Di Maria.

"We are not aware of any ongoing negotiations regarding the aforementioned athlete.

"Moreover, this company has only been made aware of possible interest from other clubs in the aforementioned athlete through the various reports in the media."
 
Good news that.. Can't wait to see him tomorrow..