Angel Di Maria | £59.7M fee agreed I Maybe tomorrow...or the day after...

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I think if Vidal's knee is ok he is as good as ours.
We will end up with either Di Maria or Cuadrado and blind as well.
Not sure about the cb, but benatia is the best available at the moment.

I see no reason why we cant get 3 of them before the window closes.
:lol: I think @Cal? Is taking the pi**, bro. Don't fall for it -

I really think that's possible. Seems like FFP is designed to protect United as well as RM.

:fingers crossed:
 
:lol: I think @Cal? Is taking the pi**, bro. Don't fall for it -

I'm falling for nothing.
I always thought we'd land Vidal and blind.
I never thought we had a chance with Di Maria and figured we'd get Cuadrado.

If Di Maria comes I'd be happy but I'd be happy with Cuadrado as well.
 
I suppose you could fit him in a midfield diamond:

----------Back Four----------

-----------Carrick------------

--Di Maria-------Herrera--

------------Mata-------------

------RVP-------Rooney-----
 
I suppose you could fit him in a midfield diamond:

----------Back Four----------

-----------Carrick------------

--Di Maria-------Herrera--

------------Mata-------------

------RVP-------Rooney-----
4-3 every game then.
 
With van Gaal commenting on the lack of a quality wide player like Ronaldo or di Maria, I think it's pretty safe to assume di Maria would be played as exactly that, a winger, should we sign him. I'd be massively surprised if we were to sign him, we've more chance securing Vidal and Cuadrado, in my opinion.
 
The quotes are real, I went and found the article myself since no one in here bothered.

They are here or see the spoiler.

Louis van Gaal celebrated his 63rd birthday on Friday. Next weekend, the next chapter in his life begins in earnest when Manchester United play Swansea City in the first Premier League game under his charge.

Relatively elderly managers haven’t always fared well when working in England for the first time.

Fabio Capello didn’t have the patience or inclination to learn English properly after a career in Italy and Spain. Sven Goran Eriksson used a chauffeur to ferry him about because he felt he was too old to learn how to drive on the left.

Van Gaal insists he won’t be a fossil. ‘I’ll drive myself to the training ground,’ he promises. ‘I have already driven in England, in 1996 in a brand new Mercedes 600 SL.

‘I was invited by the Umbro president and I drove myself. It’s an easy job! It is only a problem when it is late and there are no other cars there, otherwise you can just follow the car in front of you.

‘I think I’ll be able to adapt though I’ll only know for certain when the Premier League begins. Football is football everywhere and, I’m sorry, but I have survived.’

For all the warnings about Van Gaal being authoritarian and demanding, he cuts an affable and relaxed figure as he sits down with the Mail on Sunday ahead of the big kick off.

He likes to intersperse his pantomime glares with plenty of smiles and laughter.

Undoubtedly, he’s had an intense start to life at Old Trafford.

Delayed by Holland’s run to the World Cup semi-finals, he’s been in his new job just three weeks and travelled nearly 15,000 miles in that time. A positive omen is the club have already won two trophies under his leadership; the International Champions Cup by beating Roma, Inter Milan, Real Madrid and Liverpool in America, and the Manchester Senior Cup, in which 18-year-old striker James Wilson scored four goals in the final against Manchester City.

Only two new players have arrived so far, Luke Shaw and Ander Herrera but Van Gaal doesn’t gloss over the fact that the team, who finished seventh last year under David Moyes, are short in certain areas.

Interestingly, he does little to dampen speculation that he’d be interested in securing Real Madrid’s £55million winger Angel Di Maria and £15million Ajax wing-back Daley Blind, particularly after Barcelona secured the signing of Arsenal defender Thomas Vermaelen. Roma’s Kevin Strootman is a January target.

‘You cannot compare players how the players will do under the guidance of Moyes with those same players under the guidance of Louis van Gaal. Every trainer and coach and manager wants a different style of play and different tactics,’ he outlines.

‘Now we have five number 9s and four number 10s and we don’t have wingers to play attacking width, not at the highest level, of Ronaldo or Di Maria or something like that. So I have to play also in another way and you have seen that.’

‘It’s a strategy of Manchester United to buy players who are on the way up and getting better, but I only buy when I think we need to.’

‘If they are at the level I want them to be, then I will sign Dutch players,’ he states.

‘Dutch players are usually cheaper than players of other nationalities and they have usually been very well educated in the Netherlands, I believe.

‘But they have to be of a level than can play well in the English Premier League. You have to ask yourself if that is the case with every player.’

Much has been made of Van Gaal’s success in the past with young players, something in line with the United philosophy dating back to the Busby Babes and continued by Sir Alex Ferguson.

Van Gaal won the Champions League with Ajax when Patrick Kluivert, Kanu, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf and Edwin van der Sar were emerging. At Barcelona, he gave Andres Iniesta and Xavi their big break.

He’d like to do the same at United and will lean on assistant-manager Ryan Giggs on who deserves a chance. But he is also keen to stress the players have to be good enough as well as young enough.

‘Ryan Giggs is my assistant manager because I always want someone on my staff who knows and understands the culture of the club,’ adds Van Gaal, whose methods have won trophies in their bucketload at Ajax, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and AZ Alkmaar.

‘Ryan has mentioned some players to me and I have seen some of them play in the matches.

‘I have one rule for young players; to get in my team they have to be better than the player they are replacing.

‘It isn't tough for me to put young players into my team. When they are better, they play. It's that easy. For me, age is not important and experience is not important. It is the ability of the player that is the important thing.’

The likes of Wilfried Zaha, Jesse Lingard, Nick Powell, Will and Michael Keane, and James Wilson will wait with baited breath to see if their chance comes this season or if a loan period elsewhere is required first.

The partnership of Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie is one that neither Sir Alex Ferguson nor David Moyes got to grips with properly.

Van Gaal knows Van Persie personally and with the Dutchman absent so far after a post-World Cup break, has got to see Rooney close hand. Before, Rooney has been a threat to Van Gaal’s teams, particularly in 2010 when Bayern played United in the Champions League semi-final.

‘I liked him when I was the manager of his opponent,’ said Van Gaal. ‘He is always working very hard, has a high level and can make goals. He did that in America, four goal in his first three matches is not so bad I think!
‘But we have to wait and see, we are now in the beginning of the preparation. The physical training will go on before our first league match.’

The hidden warning to Rooney could have come out of Ferguson’s mouth. The legendary United boss was occasionally irritated by the player’s fluctuating physical condition.

Fergie won’t be a overbearing presence to Van Gaal as he was to Moyes. The Dutchman says he will pick the Scotsman’s brains over coffee or dinner at some stage, but their initial communication has been brief and to the point.

‘He just wished me luck and that was it. It isn’t disappointing, it is normal. I did the same when I was in the same position as him.

Ferguson was the consummate man-manager, getting good players to feel right about themselves and perform on the pitch. Moyes liked the coaching side of the game.

Van Gaal’s strength is he can do both. A natural people person who nonetheless thinks a manager can orchestrate success through tactics.

‘The World Cup didn’t teach us anything new. Every system has been tried before in football. It’s how you prepare your team to do against the system of the opponents, that is the thing that always makes the difference.’

Interestinly, almost everyone here has missed the next sentence.

‘Now we have five number 9s and four number 10s and we don’t have wingers to play attacking width, not at the highest level, of Ronaldo or Di Maria or something like that. So I have to play also in another way and you have seen that.’

‘It’s a strategy of Manchester United to buy players who are on the way up and getting better, but I only buy when I think we need to.’

I don't believe quotes unless if I heard it coming from his mouth or at least if it's from reliable source. Even Sky Sport once made a wrong quote of Gotze talked abour Reus and us. I believe he said "We have four number 10s" during pre season interview, because I heard it with my ears. But I don't believe the rest of the quotes such as "we don't have wingers to play........ " until we have a reliable source as a proof.
 
Those quotes seem taken out of context. This interview was seemingly done before the Real game and he's talking about changing the system and mentioning Real players.

Signing Di Maria only makes sense if he is shifting to a 4-3-3 and i doubt he is right now as that would mean basically chosing between RVP/Rooney again. or Rooney/Mata.

Plus Di Maria isn't worth the crazy money and at that time seemed all but done to PSG.
 
4-3 every game then.

Real played a midfield trio of Alonso/Modric/Di Maria with a forward three of Bale/Benzema/Ronaldo who were hardly known for their industry except for Bale who also seemed to have eased up with his workrate. What made that formation work was mainly Di Maria's industry, drive and creativity which complemented the forward line and midfield.

However, LVG considers Di Maria as more of a winger rather than a CM judging by his comments about Di Maria and him stating that he needs specialist wingers to play a 4-3-3. It means one of the front three will be dropped or Mata drops back into midfield which results in Rooney playing out wide... Perhaps he recognises Di Maria is versatile and can play various positions. So we can't definitively say he will play this formation if we buy Di Maria.
 
That would be a dream come true my man.
That is one player that is seriously on my wish list! Jesus if it's true! Plus things have gone quiet regarding him going to PSG/Monaco, PSG ruled themselves out a few days ago if the reports are to be believed! I mean this time last week everyone thought he was PSG bound!
 
I can see why we would go after Di Maria, and I don't think it would be a bad buy, but some of the prices being thrown about are a bit concerning (but the more I think about it, as a club, we make that much money, it is about time we spent it)

In a 352, I guess he could play the Robben role. A pacey striker so to speak, but I would have thought if he was bought, we'd be looking at playing 433 (more like a 4231 with a #10). If that is the case, Januzaj would go out on the left, but it would still mean that we would need a top defender and a strong midfielder
 
I'd find it strange if LVG has spent the entire pre-season playing the 5-2-1-2 formation to then go and spend a lot of money of Di Maria to then change the formation to 4-2-3-1.

I remember him saying that the squad know how to play the 4-2-3-1 system, so potentially training them in the 5-2-1-2 was a back up option?

Di Maria has been available all summer and was almost a PSG player, if we were really after him we would have got the player a month a go in my opinion. Just can't see this story being true at all.
 
Is it that strange though? He has been saying from day 1 that he plays 3-5-2 due to the players available. He has been drilling the players to play in this formation on pre-season, and he'll be able to train them in numerous formations during the season, and he can bring in players which will fit in his 4-3-3. If the rumours are true, and we're getting rid of Hernandez, a spot will open for Di Maria to play in the "Robben-role" alongside either Rooney or RvP.
 
Is it that strange though? He has been saying from day 1 that he plays 3-5-2 due to the players available. He has been drilling the players to play in this formation on pre-season, and he'll be able to train them in numerous formations during the season, and he can bring in players which will fit in his 4-3-3. If the rumours are true, and we're getting rid of Hernandez, a spot will open for Di Maria to play in the "Robben-role" alongside either Rooney or RvP.
I agree he is the type of manager to adapt his players to every system/formation. I would go fully mental if we got Di Maria, I remain skeptical but I do remember comments last week from Crerand about the conversation with Rooney about being excited regarding a player we are supposed to be getting. I can't think about anyone else that could get Rooney more excited than Di Maria. Again I do remain skeptical due to the suggestion of the Di Maria sources coming from the Express!
 
Please. Lucas Moura, Hazard, Thiago, Sanchez, Fabregas, Sneijder, Herrera (last season), and many more i have forgotten. We are still here like lemmings hanging on for scraps even though most people know its total bollocks all these current links, even if most don't want to admit it. We have been here sooo many times in recent years yet we still keep coming back for more, people need to wake up at some point.
I'll be dissapointed in Woodward IF we don't buy anyone significant because IMO it will mean that he's just a 'yes man' and his slightly cringeworthy interview he gave to MUTV was simply club propaganda.

You're wrong, this window was built up beyond any other imo, yes we have been disappointed on targets before, but never before have we promised a window like we were with this one, and for good reason too, 7 th in league, and the loss of 4-5 major players, there is no way they can spin it out again next year if things go wrong again this season.

Although I will concede there is time yet for things to come good, just belief is firmly on the wane right now.
 

The truth behind Manchester United's latest £55m transfer bid


The transfer rumour mill has got to that stage of the summer when it starts to eat itself. If you were in any doubt about how scrambled it has become then grab yourself a cup of coffee, perhaps a choccy biscuit, and read the following.

On Sunday morning several British transfer outlets pushed a claim that Spanish newspapers were saying Manchester United are in for Angel Di Maria. One of those was 101 Great Goals who tweeted 'Man United no longer in for Cuadrado, preparing €70m Di Maria bid [Sport + Marca]', that prompted a Manchester United fan to ask us to look into it and even we were surprised with what came up.

Marca's article says 'According to several British media, the Red Devils are preparing a breaker of 55 million pounds (70 million euros) to unlock the exit from Real Madrid of the 'noodle', would receive an annual salary in excess of 7 million euros.'

Sport say 'As reported by the 'Daily Express', Manchester United will... focus their efforts on recruiting Angel Di Maria from Madrid.'

Therefore the Spanish newspaper aren't claiming anything, they're just relaying what has been said in another country. So what of the Express?

Well, on Saturday they said 'Red Devils are also planning to pair Vidal with Di Maria in midfield next season, and Van Gaal has launched a fresh £55million bid for the Argentina international's services after Paris St-Germain dropped out of the race.'

The link in that article goes to another Express article from Friday which says 'Metro Sport reports that the Dutchman has offered £55million for the playmaker's services.'

Therefore the claim a £55m bid has been made is originally from the Metro, so where did they get it from? Well, Twitter. A bit from Twitter anyway. The rest from imagination.

The newspaper claimed on Friday 'United have maintained an interest and now reports in South America say an offer has been tabled for the Argentine international – and the Red Devils are waiting for a response.

Fox Sports pundit Christian Martin revealed the news on Twitter, with the offer thought to be in the region of £55million.'

That says that he's been told by a friend that Manchester United haven't withdrawn an offer for Di Maria, there is no mention of a bid amount in that tweet or in any other on the topic. On August 5th, Martin tweeted that Manchester United had terminated any effort to to sign Arturo Vidal, two days later he said Louis van Gaal had asked Manchester United to keep talks open. In March, Martin said that Robin van Persie would listen to an offer from Juventus, and he's made many more claims on Manchester United transfers which seem to be based on what is in the media at the time.

Yet, the Spanish and Italian media are running stories that British newspapers say a £55m Manchester United bid has been made for Di Maria when in fact the figure is grasped from thin air and the actual claim of a bid comes from Twitter. British rumour websites are also now picking up the Spanish and Italian reports and reproducing them as fresh news from Europe.
Di Maria interest would not be a shock, it has genuinely and freshly been reported in both Spain and France, with reference to PSG interest, earlier this summer. However these latest claims are more an example of how the rumour mill works than a suggestion Manchester United have bid £55m for anybody.



http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...d-manchester-united-s-latest-55m-transfer-bid

 
The truth behind Manchester United's latest £55m transfer bid


The transfer rumour mill has got to that stage of the summer when it starts to eat itself. If you were in any doubt about how scrambled it has become then grab yourself a cup of coffee, perhaps a choccy biscuit, and read the following.

On Sunday morning several British transfer outlets pushed a claim that Spanish newspapers were saying Manchester United are in for Angel Di Maria. One of those was 101 Great Goals who tweeted 'Man United no longer in for Cuadrado, preparing €70m Di Maria bid [Sport + Marca]', that prompted a Manchester United fan to ask us to look into it and even we were surprised with what came up.

Marca's article says 'According to several British media, the Red Devils are preparing a breaker of 55 million pounds (70 million euros) to unlock the exit from Real Madrid of the 'noodle', would receive an annual salary in excess of 7 million euros.'

Sport say 'As reported by the 'Daily Express', Manchester United will... focus their efforts on recruiting Angel Di Maria from Madrid.'

Therefore the Spanish newspaper aren't claiming anything, they're just relaying what has been said in another country. So what of the Express?

Well, on Saturday they said 'Red Devils are also planning to pair Vidal with Di Maria in midfield next season, and Van Gaal has launched a fresh £55million bid for the Argentina international's services after Paris St-Germain dropped out of the race.'

The link in that article goes to another Express article from Friday which says 'Metro Sport reports that the Dutchman has offered £55million for the playmaker's services.'

Therefore the claim a £55m bid has been made is originally from the Metro, so where did they get it from? Well, Twitter. A bit from Twitter anyway. The rest from imagination.

The newspaper claimed on Friday 'United have maintained an interest and now reports in South America say an offer has been tabled for the Argentine international – and the Red Devils are waiting for a response.

Fox Sports pundit Christian Martin revealed the news on Twitter, with the offer thought to be in the region of £55million.'

That says that he's been told by a friend that Manchester United haven't withdrawn an offer for Di Maria, there is no mention of a bid amount in that tweet or in any other on the topic. On August 5th, Martin tweeted that Manchester United had terminated any effort to to sign Arturo Vidal, two days later he said Louis van Gaal had asked Manchester United to keep talks open. In March, Martin said that Robin van Persie would listen to an offer from Juventus, and he's made many more claims on Manchester United transfers which seem to be based on what is in the media at the time.

Yet, the Spanish and Italian media are running stories that British newspapers say a £55m Manchester United bid has been made for Di Maria when in fact the figure is grasped from thin air and the actual claim of a bid comes from Twitter. British rumour websites are also now picking up the Spanish and Italian reports and reproducing them as fresh news from Europe.
Di Maria interest would not be a shock, it has genuinely and freshly been reported in both Spain and France, with reference to PSG interest, earlier this summer. However these latest claims are more an example of how the rumour mill works than a suggestion Manchester United have bid £55m for anybody.



http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...d-manchester-united-s-latest-55m-transfer-bid
Or maybe a Prozac!! I seriously cannot wait for window to close, shite after shite sources all sharing their insane information plucked from thin air!!
 
I'd imagine that if this went through (don't really expect it to, tbh) we'd squeeze Madrid until the end of the transfer window. Like last year after buying Bale, it looks like they have to sell someone to free up space & balance the books so the later we leave it the cheaper he'll be.
 
I'd imagine that if this went through (don't really expect it to, tbh) we'd squeeze Madrid until the end of the transfer window. Like last year after buying Bale, it looks like they have to sell someone to free up space & balance the books so the later we leave it the cheaper he'll be.

Arsenal still paid around £40m for Özil on the final day of the transfer window. I don't think we will be able to get a bargain here, Real will gladly keep him if teams start to lowball them.
 
I'll have no idea on how we'll line up if we get Di Maria. I really enjoy the 3-5-2 right now, as it will let Mata, Rooney and RVP all play in their best positions and I've really enjoyed the way we've played on the tour.

I know with Di Maria we can revert to 4-3-3, but that'll end the Mata-Rooney-RVP dynamic then.

Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw

Herrera Mata Fletcher

DiMaria Rooney/RVP Januzaj​

Or do we shove one of Rooney/RVP on the wing? It's complicated.

A part of me doesn't want him to join just so we can avoid this, but at the same time his quality is just amazing and I'm also curious as to how LVG will line us up :lol:
 
Arsenal still paid around £40m for Özil on the final day of the transfer window. I don't think we will be able to get a bargain here, Real will gladly keep him if teams start to lowball them.

Yeah, I don't think we'll get a bargain. But I also don't think we'll pay around £55m for him, which seems to be the figure bandied about. I think it's pretty obvious that Madrid want to cash in, and if it's in the dying embers of the window a bid of around £45m might get him, which is probably a more realistic price we'd pay and a figure that Madrid would probably settle on.
 
Arsenal still paid around £40m for Özil on the final day of the transfer window. I don't think we will be able to get a bargain here, Real will gladly keep him if teams start to lowball them.
I agree, but in this case it sounds like di Maria really doesn't want to stay.
 
Yeah, I don't think we'll get a bargain. But I also don't think we'll pay around £55m for him, which seems to be the figure bandied about. I think it's pretty obvious that Madrid want to cash in, and if it's in the dying embers of the window a bid of around £45m might get him, which is probably a more realistic price we'd pay and a figure that Madrid would probably settle on.
You know what I would just give them whatever they ask for, he's that friggin good! One of the best footballers in La Ligue last season and was immense in the CL final, just a shame he got injured during the WC because he looked awesome for Argentina.
 
Whatever it is, £55million is pure madness. We would never spend anywhere near that amount on a player unless it's Bale or Ronaldo
 
Yeah, I don't think we'll get a bargain. But I also don't think we'll pay around £55m for him, which seems to be the figure bandied about. I think it's pretty obvious that Madrid want to cash in, and if it's in the dying embers of the window a bid of around £45m might get him, which is probably a more realistic price we'd pay and a figure that Madrid would probably settle on.

Yeah £55m is way out of order. Even today I reckon Real would take £40m - £45m.

I agree, but in this case it sounds like di Maria really doesn't want to stay.

Real won't care.
 
Real won't care.
Would it really be worth them haggling over a few million pounds to offload a player that doesn't even want to be there? I know they're crazy, but are they that crazy?
 
And the player apparently wants out, so there is no reason to pay out such an excessive amount. I reckon even 37-40m could do it if we want him
 
Whatever it is, £55million is pure madness. We would never spend anywhere near that amount on a player unless it's Bale or Ronaldo

Yep. Certainly not for a player who wants out and his club most likely want to sell!

If it was us selling we'd probably end up getting about £15m for him
 
Whatever it is, £55million is pure madness. We would never spend anywhere near that amount on a player unless it's Bale or Ronaldo
Bale and Ronaldo would go for much more than that if they were ever to be sold on. Unfortunately that's all part of the modern transfer market it's silly money but if you don't pay, you don't get. I don't agree with the way it's going now but you've got to be able to compete with the likes of Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea and Real these clubs can throw all kinds of cash to get players like that in. Remember Chelsea paying £50 million for Torres?
 
Bale and Ronaldo would go for much more than that if they were ever to be sold on. Unfortunately that's all part of the modern transfer market it's silly money but if you don't pay, you don't get. I don't agree with the way it's going now but you've got to be able to compete with the likes of Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea and Real these clubs can throw all kinds of cash to get players like that in. Remember Chelsea paying £50 million for Torres?

Yes it's the way the transfer market works now. But my point is United would never do what the likes of Real and PSG are doing. We have a price range for every player and we bid according to that. PSG bought Luiz for 50m, do you see United spending that same amount of Hummels who is the much superior player?
 
I'd imagine that if this went through (don't really expect it to, tbh) we'd squeeze Madrid until the end of the transfer window. Like last year after buying Bale, it looks like they have to sell someone to free up space & balance the books so the later we leave it the cheaper he'll be.

They don't. The only reason they would have to sell is if they decide to buy Falcao. Then they have to sell because they are on their "three non-EU player" limit. From all accounts Ancelotti would rather keep Di Maria than try and add Falcao. It's only because the price on Falcao is getting tempting that Perez can't stop thinking about the idea.

That said, Di Maria wants respect (aka, in this context, a payrise) and Perez doesn't like being pushed. If Di Maria pushes hard enough he's more likely to get a transfer than a suitably respectful payrise.

I think we do have an offer on the table and that's where it's staying. We aren't going to outbid the wages offer from PSG or Monaco and we aren't going to chase the €70m+ that Madrid and PSG were talking about. Of course there's the added factor that this is a Mendes deal - if he can tie it up with another Mendes deal (like Falcao) he gets two bites at the same transfer money.
 
Would it really be worth them haggling over a few million pounds to offload a player that doesn't even want to be there? I know they're crazy, but are they that crazy?

They sold snijeder and robben in their prime, they are nuts.
However they still make heaps of cash so it's all good
 
I'll have no idea on how we'll line up if we get Di Maria. I really enjoy the 3-5-2 right now, as it will let Mata, Rooney and RVP all play in their best positions and I've really enjoyed the way we've played on the tour.

I know with Di Maria we can revert to 4-3-3, but that'll end the Mata-Rooney-RVP dynamic then.

Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw

Herrera Mata Fletcher

DiMaria Rooney/RVP Januzaj​

Or do we shove one of Rooney/RVP on the wing? It's complicated.

A part of me doesn't want him to join just so we can avoid this, but at the same time his quality is just amazing and I'm also curious as to how LVG will line us up :lol:

We've yet to see if this "dynamic" will actually work.
 
I'll have no idea on how we'll line up if we get Di Maria. I really enjoy the 3-5-2 right now, as it will let Mata, Rooney and RVP all play in their best positions and I've really enjoyed the way we've played on the tour.

I know with Di Maria we can revert to 4-3-3, but that'll end the Mata-Rooney-RVP dynamic then.

Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw

Herrera Mata Fletcher

DiMaria Rooney/RVP Januzaj​

Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw
Herrera Fletcher DiMaria
Mata
Rooney RVP
 
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