Ange Postecoglou

Alex99 said:
Not sure it's inevitable. They're in a similar situation to us last season, and I can't see anyone wanting to step in as permanent manager until the summer.

They're not going down, and are still in the Europa League. The gamble is basically whether they think a change could win them that trophy.
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Plenty of players coming back from injury over next few weeks so Ange will get the chance to improve results with them. I think he'll get until the end of the season and then Levy decides what to do. Win the Europa and of course Ange gets another season. Fail to win it and then he'll probably replace him if they can get Iraola (most fans on The Fighting Cock forum would like him), but also keep him if results and performances have improved significantly.

Changing the manager right now doesn't make much sense. They can get Mason once again and have similar results. And they're not getting managers from other clubs at this point of the season.
 
BorisManUtd said:
Plenty of players coming back from injury over next few weeks so Ange will get the chance to improve results with them. I think he'll get until the end of the season and then Levy decides what to do. Win the Europa and of course Ange gets another season. Fail to win it and then he'll probably replace him if they can get Iraola (most fans on The Fighting Cock forum would like him), but also keep him if results and performances have improved significantly.

Changing the manager right now doesn't make much sense. They can get Mason once again and have similar results. And they're not getting managers from other clubs at this point of the season.
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I wouldn't rule it out, but I don't see why they'd wait into the week to do it, rather than just doing yesterday evening/this morning.

As you say, it'd inevitably be Ryan Mason stepping in for yet another interim stint.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Iraola would be mad to go to Spurs
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This, why would he ever go to the Spurs train wreck? Seems like managerial suicide for Iraola who at the moment has a settled squad and is sitting far above Spurs. They will have to look at the unemployed manager market, or just go with Mason I would imagine.
 
I think it's a dangerous game for Spurs to stick by him. History doesn't predict the future but we had this with Ten Hag all last season, how the injuries were impacting us so much and it was unfair to judge him or get rid of him until he had a full squad back.

He had that this season and started the season shockingly and got the sack, the same could easy happen with Spurs. Players return from injury and results don't improve.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
This, why would he ever go to the Spurs train wreck? Seems like managerial suicide for Iraola who at the moment has a settled squad and is sitting far above Spurs. They will have to look at the unemployed manager market, or just go with Mason I would imagine.
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He might well do, but it just wouldn't or at least shouldn't be mid-season.

But let's be honest, it's a step-up from Bournemouth - they're a much bigger club, with bigger and better resources and a much better group of players.

They aren't some poisoned chalice and a team in absolute freefall in the sort of way I would say United are, they were 1 win away from being in the CL last season, just having a particular bad season but they can certainly recover from this and with a fully fit squad you would expect them to finish top 8 probably at least.
 
DannyCAFC said:
He might do but it wouldn't or at least shouldn't be mid-season. But let's be honest, it's a step-up from Bournemouth - they're a much bigger club, with bigger and better resources and a much better group of players.

They aren't some poisoned chalice and a team in absolute freefall, they were 1 win away from being in the CL last season, just having a particular bad season but they can certainly recover from this and with a fully fit squad you would expect them to finish top 8 probably at least.
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Agree... sounds very similar to Amorin leaving the Success of Sporting mid season and taking on the bigger club at United only to realise what a crap show we actually are.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think it's a dangerous game for Spurs to stick by him. History doesn't predict the future but we had this with Ten Hag all last season, how the injuries were impacting us so much and it was unfair to judge him or get rid of him until he had a full squad back.

He had that this season and started the season shockingly and got the sack, the same could easy happen with Spurs. Players return from injury and results don't improve.
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Honestly, id still stick with him and see if the returning players can turn round their fortunes.

I don't know if any team would cope much better with the players they have out, and just as importantly, the players they have to replace them.

If the injured players are back soon, they can use the rest of the season to see if the form improves with the returning players. If not then they can make a decision in the summer and give the new manager a fresh start and a full pre season.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think it's a dangerous game for Spurs to stick by him. History doesn't predict the future but we had this with Ten Hag all last season, how the injuries were impacting us so much and it was unfair to judge him or get rid of him until he had a full squad back.

He had that this season and started the season shockingly and got the sack, the same could easy happen with Spurs. Players return from injury and results don't improve.
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Unless you think Spurs are very likely to be relegated, what's the danger in sticking with him over Ryan Mason?
 
adexkola said:
Unless you think Spurs are very likely to be relegated, what's the danger in sticking with him over Ryan Mason?
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They did this with Conte. Sacked him and appointed an interim, who then also had to be sacked for Ryan Mason to take over as interim for the interim.

I think they'll stick with Ange unless they start feeling Leicester or Ipswich breathing down their necks.
 
Alex99 said:
They did this with Conte. Sacked him and appointed an interim, who then also had to be sacked for Ryan Mason to take over as interim for the interim.

I think they'll stick with Ange unless they start feeling Leicester or Ipswich breathing down their necks.
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I think sacking Conte was a dumb decision. But they probably had little choice with his demands for more squad investment (which they should have done).

Obviously if there's no improvement until the end of the season it's fair to seek a clean break.
 
I think they are at the stage we were with Ten Hag, where it’s just time wasted and resources damaged by sticking with him.

Ten Hag also has stupid tactics that caused numerous muscle injuries only to use those injuries as an excuse.

The results haven’t been any better with their players fit, and you have a good, long 15 month period to look at.

The players might appreciate a more logical, basic setup and to restore a bit of confidence to finish the season.
 
Maluco said:
I think they are at the stage we were with Ten Hag, where it’s just time wasted and resources damaged by sticking with him.

Ten Hag also has stupid tactics that caused numerous muscle injuries only to use those injuries as an excuse.

The results haven’t been any better with their players fit, and you have a good, long 15 month period to look at.

The players might appreciate a more logical, basic setup and to restore a bit of confidence to finish the season.
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Surely results were better than they've been the last 2.5 months? They were 6th on Matchday 12, had 19 points, 3 points behind 3rd place, 4 points behind 2nd.

The next 12 games they only won 8 points, are now 14th, but are 17th in the form table for these 12 games.
 
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adexkola said:
Unless you think Spurs are very likely to be relegated, what's the danger in sticking with him over Ryan Mason?
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I think they probably should stick with him for this season and assess it in the summer and see what's available - but the whole situation won't sort itself out once the injuries abate.

I doubt it'll carry on where they have 10-13 first team players out injured, but his style of football is very intense which lends itself to muscular injuries when your playing in multiple competitions ( I know they just exited two) but still in Europa and PL. A lot of them have had reoccuring injuries already this season, the likelihood is there will be more breakdowns before the end of the season.

It's not something they had to contend with last season and yet their form dropped off massively after Xmas - to the point where his record in 2024 was absolutely shocking. It's not like he was doing well this season before the injuries in October - it's been a downturn of form since his first six months in charge, and there's no real evidence that he's the man to turn it around.
 
GoonerBear said:
Surely results were better than they've been the last 2.5 months? They were 6th on Matchday 12, had 19 points, 3 points behind 3rd place, 4 points behind 2nd.

The next 12 games they only won 8 points, are now 14th, but are 17th in the form table for these 12 games.
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They were top after matchday 10 last season, then fell off so badly they ended up outside of the top four, almost caught by Chelsea, who were 11th and already 14 points behind them after 10 games.
 
Alex99 said:
They were top after matchday 10 last season, then fell off so badly they ended up outside of the top four, almost caught by Chelsea, who were 11th and already 14 points behind them after 10 games.
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I get that, but then the form was ok again at the start of this season before falling off a cliff when the injuries hit.

Where do people see this Spurs team / squad? They aren't Liverpool / Arsenal/ City level. Id put Chelsea ahead of them as well. That means they are probably competing for 5-10th if injuries don't cripple them, and even then competition is fierce with the likes of Villa, Newcastle & Brighton. Forest and Bournemouth are having fantastic seasons as well, and I haven't even mentioned Utd if they get there act together.
 
Alex99 said:
They did this with Conte. Sacked him and appointed an interim, who then also had to be sacked for Ryan Mason to take over as interim for the interim.

I think they'll stick with Ange unless they start feeling Leicester or Ipswich breathing down their necks.
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adexkola said:
I think sacking Conte was a dumb decision. But they probably had little choice with his demands for more squad investment (which they should have done).

Obviously if there's no improvement until the end of the season it's fair to seek a clean break.
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Conte wasn't exactly sacked - he went on his traditional 2nd season meltdown, doing his absolute best to get binned off (slowly slagging off anyone and anything in the club) and take a nice compensation package.

When it didn't work, he actually jumped on a plan to Italy and refused to come back, so they got his assistant to step in until it turned out he was absolutely clueless.

Then Mason stepped in.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think they probably should stick with him for this season and assess it in the summer and see what's available - but the whole situation won't sort itself out once the injuries abate.

I doubt it'll carry on where they have 10-13 first team players out injured, but his style of football is very intense which lends itself to muscular injuries when your playing in multiple competitions ( I know they just exited two) but still in Europa and PL. A lot of them have had reoccuring injuries already this season, the likelihood is there will be more breakdowns before the end of the season.

It's not something they had to contend with last season and yet their form dropped off massively after Xmas - to the point where his record in 2024 was absolutely shocking. It's not like he was doing well this season before the injuries in October - it's been a downturn of form since his first six months in charge, and there's no real evidence that he's the man to turn it around.
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He's dialed back on that style of play in recent months.
 
GoonerBear said:
I get that, but then the form was ok again at the start of this season before falling off a cliff when the injuries hit.

Where do people see this Spurs team / squad? They aren't Liverpool / Arsenal/ City level. Id put Chelsea ahead of them as well. That means they are probably competing for 5-10th if injuries don't cripple them, and even then competition is fierce with the likes of Villa, Newcastle & Brighton. Forest and Bournemouth are having fantastic seasons as well, and I haven't even mentioned Utd if they get there act together.
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They won just one of their opening four, and lost 5 of their first 11. Their form wasn't okay at all, it just fell off even further once the injuries hit.

I'm sure I've seen that they're among the top two or three for net spend over the past few years. They should be competing for a CL place every year (just as United should) with the money they've had available.
 
Alex99 said:
They won just one of their opening four, and lost 5 of their first 11. Their form wasn't okay at all, it just fell off even further once the injuries hit.

I'm sure I've seen that they're among the top two or three for net spend over the past few years. They should be competing for a CL place every year (just as United should) with the money they've had available.
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As I said, they were 6th after Matchday 12, 3 points off top 4. Thats ok form, and exactly where i'd expect them to be before the injuries hit given the quality of their squad. Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Brighton were ahead of them.
 
GoonerBear said:
As I said, they were 6th after Matchday 12, 3 points off top 4. Thats ok form, and exactly where i'd expect them to be before the injuries hit given the quality of their squad. Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Brighton were ahead of them.
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And they were 10th after matchday 11. The lowest they've been at that stage of the season since the Pochettino was sacked.

It was a stuttering start at best, and when you've lost almost half of the games, including at home to Ipswich, I think it's a stretch to describe it as "okay".
 
GoonerBear said:
Honestly, id still stick with him and see if the returning players can turn round their fortunes.

I don't know if any team would cope much better with the players they have out, and just as importantly, the players they have to replace them.

If the injured players are back soon, they can use the rest of the season to see if the form improves with the returning players. If not then they can make a decision in the summer and give the new manager a fresh start and a full pre season.
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From the outside looking in, that seems like the most reasonable approach.
What we can't know is how the climate is within the club, whether he's getting along with people or whether his relationship with the squad is intact. A lost dressing room could necessitate an earlier sacking.
 
Alex99 said:
And they were 10th after matchday 11. The lowest they've been at that stage of the season since the Pochettino was sacked.

It was a stuttering start at best, and when you've lost almost half of the games, including at home to Ipswich, I think it's a stretch to describe it as "okay".
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Ah, so between 6th and 10th, exactly where i said they should be. You describe it as stuttering, I describe it as ok. But facts are facts. They had 19 points first 12 games, 8 points next 12 post the injuries. That isn't a continuation of form, that's a big loss of form. A continuation of the first 12 games would have had them 8th above Villa.

FortunaUtd said:
From the outside looking in, that seems like the most reasonable approach.
What we can't know is how the climate is within the club, whether he's getting along with people or whether his relationship with the squad is intact. A lost dressing room could necessitate an earlier sacking.
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That's true. Id be surprised if he's lost the dressing room mind you, considering most of his first team played it erd haven't actually been in it recently.
 
GoonerBear said:
Ah, so between 6th and 10th, exactly where i said they should be. You describe it as stuttering, I describe it as ok. But facts are facts. They had 19 points first 12 games, 8 points next 12 post the injuries. That isn't a continuation of form, that's a big loss of form. A continuation of the first 12 games would have had them 8th above Villa.
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I don't think it's okay when they've spent as much as they have in recent years, no.
 
Alex99 said:
I don't think it's okay when they've spent as much as they have in recent years, no.
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Yeah, you've said that. It was me that said it's okay.

I don't think they've spent their money well, that's a different issue and maybe not down to Ange, certainly not solely. The likes of Bergvall, Gray, Odobert were teenage, long term signings. That seems a strategic thing.
 
I think the problem is the Spurs fans see themselves as a CL places team, that is just not the case with Kane gone and Son on the decline at 32. No offense to Solanke or Richarlison but neither are anywhere near the class of Kane, or Son in his prime. Spurs are simply not on Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Chelsea's level, at full strength they are around that Newcastle, Villa and Brighton level.

Look at the squad, who is top class in there? Kulusevski, Romero, maybe you would take, Maddison when he is on form? Im dubious about the midfield pairing of Bissouma and Bentancur as well, both can do a job, but are they top 4 material? Do either of them get into the starting midfields for the top 4?
 
GoonerBear said:
Yeah, you've said that. It was me that said it's okay.

I don't think they've spent their money well, that's a different issue and maybe not down to Ange, certainly not solely. The likes of Bergvall, Gray, Odobert were teenage, long term signings. That seems a strategic thing.
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And I'm saying it's being very generous to say it was okay given the money they've spent. Looks like we're not agreeing there though.

They've made similar mistakes to United in the transfer market. They've spent a lot on players for two or three seasons down the line, rather than getting in players that improve the team right now, which is what they needed.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
I think the problem is the Spurs fans see themselves as a CL places team, that is just not the case with Kane gone and Son on the decline at 32. No offense to Solanke or Richarlison but neither are anywhere near the class of Kane, or Son in his prime. Spurs are simply not on Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Chelsea's level, at full strength they are around that Newcastle, Villa and Brighton level.

Look at the squad, who is top class in there? Kulusevski, Romero, maybe you would take, Maddison when he is on form? Im dubious about the midfield pairing of Bissouma and Bentancur as well, both can do a job, but are they top 4 material? Do either of them get into the starting midfields for the top 4?
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You take Son out of this team and they have very little quality. Kulusevsky is the only Spurs player I would really like at United. Rest of them are much of a muchness.
 
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