That would be relegation form if the bottom teams weren't so fecking woeful nowadays.
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That would be relegation form if the bottom teams weren't so fecking woeful nowadays.
This comment is funny after Spurs have been beaten by Everton and Leicester back to back.
46 points is nowhere close to relegation though. Still absolutely rotten year by them
This comment is funny after Spurs have been beaten by Everton and Leicester back to back.
Relegation fodder always beat other relegation fodder.
The English media would love nothing more than to see an Australian fail in England.
Exactly, whilst they have had injuries, they are architects to their own downfall. Starting players who are injured or just coming back, then losing them, is on the manager.
Secondly, it is the manager who decided not to play Regulion, an experienced LB in games. Their midfield and attack have a few injuries like most clubs do, its not like they are missing 7/8 of their spine.
Yeah, that's probably the best argument against him.
Can understand the frustration of the Spurs fans though. Maybe Ange is not the right guy, and maybe sacking him is the right thing, but it will just be starting all over again. I'd fully expect the same from the next manager - decent start, flirting with top five, then decline and collapse. Feels a bit like us with ETH - there was a time I was very optimistic about him as well.
More likely, he's still living on a good first impression rather than his nationality. Those first three months when he had Spurs top of the table (26/30 points in his first ten games) and free-scoring right after they had sold Kane. That's it, though, ten games. His record, since then, is 19/7/25.
It's never been relegation form (at least not over 38 games).
However, it would have been a lot closer to relegation in the mid-late 90s than it is now. Luton went down in 18th with just 26 points last season, and Wolves/Ipswich/Leicester look on course to finish on a similar total. Southampton are on course to end up with fewer points than that Derby team.
In 1997, Sunderland went down on 40 points, and Coventry would have gone down on 41 if Middlesbrough hadn't been docked 3. Forest were bottom on 34 points, a total that could have kept them up in 7 of the last 8 seasons.
He's surviving off that initial run (that can now be written off as new manager bounce) and the fact that "they're a game away" from a cup final. Even after losing to Everton, there were still puff-pieces about how "a cup final is progress" despite them being objectively much worse, and the small detail of them having not actually reached it yet.
If they fail to beat Brentford and get overturned by Liverpool, I think he's done.
Imagine being a manager under pressure and seeing this
Porro did not cover himself in glory yesterday.
Why dont spurs fan like Levy? Not being a wum here, i'm genuinely curious as I dont know the ins and outs of the situation.
Imagine being a manager under pressure and seeing this
Porro did not cover himself in glory yesterday.
Such a frustrating player.
Thinks he's too good to defend.
Think very much a case of 'could' spend more than they do + probably being a deluded fan base.
I personally think he's a bit of an idiot re not selling players when he should - he massively overvalued the likes of Rose, Dele, Alderweireld etc. but broadly I can't see how his tenure with them is not seen as a great success so far.
They have got same injury crisis as us last year!
Was it really a honeymoon bounce? Several resident experts have pointed it out as a proof that any coach can implement a playing style successfully in a few sessions.
Which is true. But it also shows that it also can be found out relatively quickly and then you will need to continuously adapt and evolve. He did that first part very well, but so far doesn't seem to go the next step.
You're probably right but looking at their next fixtures you'd think Brentfords a likely loss and you guys should get atleast a draw.
Ipswich win one game before they host Spurs, beat them then Spurs are right in the mix with City, Bournemouth, Fulham and Chelsea as their next four and apart from Southampton at home their run in after that is pretty horrendous aswell.
They've probably done enough with their early season results, but I'm not as sure they'll find a way comfortably away as a am/was with you guys.
Imagine being a manager under pressure and seeing this
Porro did not cover himself in glory yesterday.
He did brilliantly to get himself in that position and then ruins it by shooting...
He's a wingback being played as a fullback
Because…?
Why? You do know the UK and Australia are close as countries for obvious reasons. Considering he's barely had a mention and yet United's issues are constantly in the media suggests you're totally wrong.
Surely he's one game away from the can? Seems to me like he's lost the plot completely and he can't keep harking on about injuries, it happens to every club and when I see their line up on paper, it's much better than their PL position.
Losing to Leicester is unacceptable, they're woeful.
He's made Spurs even more Spursy than they usually are, and that takes some doing.
I can see Liverpool giving them a real hiding in their S/F second leg. Surely when a realistic shot at a trophy is out of the question they'll have to bite the bullet on him as I think that "I always win a trophy in my second season" thing is what's keeping him in a job - wishful thinking that it may come true.
Losing to Leicester is unacceptable, they're woeful.
He's made Spurs even more Spursy than they usually are, and that takes some doing.
I can see Liverpool giving them a real hiding in their S/F second leg. Surely when a realistic shot at a trophy is out of the question they'll have to bite the bullet on him as I think that "I always win a trophy in my second season" thing is what's keeping him in a job - wishful thinking that it may come true.
Hardly, he gets an incredibly easy time from the media in England.
My take, from his honeymoon, Ole’s and even Pep at Man City, is that even a simple tactical lay-out, combined with players full of enthusiasm, will often suffice to beat an opponent who doesn’t have several specific tactical devises prepared to unravel that simple lay-out. In addition, players with simple instructions and full of enthusiasm, can be made to tax their physical energy even beyond what is possible to keep up over time. Winning 60% of second and third balls can make a tactical plan work that will collapse if you only win 50% of them.
This makes many early implementations seem effective even if it is just a coarse first approach to what is the real play style, and even if it’s poorly understood by the players even. It’s not the full tactical plan that is ever implemented during the first months either way.
Other times, tactics are implemented at a higher cost in the short run, but maybe in ways that are more supportable in the long run. It has proven very difficult to accurately predict long term success based on short term form after a change of coach, at least if you correct for continuous problems within the club and that many with early problems will go south either way because of bad match-ups between club leadership and coach.
Yeah the last time a team went down with 40 plus points was I think West Ham in 2003
There is just something beautiful about a ranting Italian.
What does Tottenham fans think of Conte now? A look at their forum tells me he isn't very popular.
I think it striking that the two serial-winners they had in Conte and Mourinho had so similiar spells there and both have seemed to express most of the same sentiments about how the club is run both while in the seat but also afterwards. I get that with Mou you kind of know that it will end in tears eventually either way but Conte I think it is pretty realistic to think he knew what he was talking about and would have delivered far more if he didn't end up as another sacrificial lamb for Levy
What is it that Spurs fan's expect? They arent going to spend big because they simply don't have the money, therefore they won't compete against the likes of city, liverpool, newcastle.
This season they are in a league cup semi final, still in the EL with a good chance to qualify. Their league form has been atrocious but they have had terrible injuries.
This season they are in a league cup semi final, still in the EL with a good chance to qualify. Their league form has been atrocious but they have had terrible injuries.
Same as most people think of Conte. It's never him. Never his problem. He has that rant pretty much everywhere he goes, and falls out with the board everywhere.
He had some unfortunate personal issues in the 2nd season, but pretty much abandoned his job and told all the players they were shit, so the majority of fans think he's a tool.
Where does this myth that they don't have the money come from? They actually do spend a lot. They rank 3rd or 4th in net spend in PL over the last 5 years depending on which website you look at. They are not minnows that spend pennies and somehow compete with the big boys.
Edit : Just an example from transfermarkt. They rank 3rd in net spend below us and Chelsea over the last 5 years.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/premie...&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0
It is still completely baffling to me how people are still asking “what do spurs expect?” and claiming he is doing ok
They have lost half their games over the last year and their manager is a madman who plays suicidal football that gets cut through at will, constantly, for 90 minutes, while injuring his players by making them constantly pull muscles chasing opposition players 50 yards. He takes responsibility for absolutely none of it…but this is somehow ok for Spurs?
They have some really good footballers, he got his expensive defenders, he got his expensive striker and he got a couple of the best young players in Europe. Of course they have the right to expect more than brain dead football and 15th place!
They have lost half their games over the last year and their manager is a madman who plays suicidal football that gets cut through at will, constantly, for 90 minutes, while injuring his players by making them constantly pull muscles chasing opposition players 50 yards. He takes responsibility for absolutely none of it…but this is somehow ok for Spurs?
They have some really good footballers, he got his expensive defenders, he got his expensive striker and he got a couple of the best young players in Europe. Of course they have the right to expect more than brain dead football and 15th place!
What's frustrating, as a spurs fan who suffers other spurs fans (yes, that's why I post on here instead of spurs forums) is this very fact.
It flies in the face of the claim that the club are money grabbing and don't care about the football. I think it's over £300m net spend with Ange. Probably more than Mourinho, Conte, Postecoglu, and Redknapp combined.
It's insufferable hearing the nonsense people claim to absolve a terrible manager of his failures
Like Mourinho he usually ends up winning something before the eventual implosion.
Surely the recruitment team have to follow Postecoglu out the door, 3rd in net spend over the last 5 years and sitting in 15th place. Bought up a bunch of youth prospects which is always a gamble, they could be good in 6 years, or total flops like N'Dombele. It has Bale money spend written all over it. Which players actually went on to be big players for Spurs from the Bale signings? Eriksen and Lamela the only 2 that I can think of, and I never rated Lamela, I guess he kind of embodied that press from the front Pochettino style but never enough goal output and more time injured than playing.
Also with the recruitment the only player of note they brought in was Solanke who, for me, is not an upgrade over Richarlison. And baffling signings like Werner, not good enough for Chelsea who wanted top four so Spurs go and get him? Odobert? They needed CB's and you go get another attacker despite your attack being well stacked with Richarlison, Son, Werner, Johnson all able to play on the wing. Hell you could probably put Kulusevski out there on the left and he could do a job. Dragusin? Never even heard of this guy until Spurs picked him up and has looked pants just about any time I have seen him play. Granted he is only 22 but again, you are telling me there wasnt a solid older CB with decent experience they could have picked up who was cheap and happy to play that second string role behind Romero and VDV later in his career?
Also with the recruitment the only player of note they brought in was Solanke who, for me, is not an upgrade over Richarlison. And baffling signings like Werner, not good enough for Chelsea who wanted top four so Spurs go and get him? Odobert? They needed CB's and you go get another attacker despite your attack being well stacked with Richarlison, Son, Werner, Johnson all able to play on the wing. Hell you could probably put Kulusevski out there on the left and he could do a job. Dragusin? Never even heard of this guy until Spurs picked him up and has looked pants just about any time I have seen him play. Granted he is only 22 but again, you are telling me there wasnt a solid older CB with decent experience they could have picked up who was cheap and happy to play that second string role behind Romero and VDV later in his career?
I would put in a very cheeky bid for Kulu if I was Arsenal. You just know he wants to leave that sinking ship and go to the team he loves.
What are Spurs supporters really upset at Levy for. He seems to spend a lot, new shiny stadium...team still doesn't do a whole lot, but is that really on him? I don't see the claim that he is not really supporting the club structure and ambition.
The fanbase can be a bit illogical IMO. My take is:
- He's blamed for not spending more money, when we spend far more than a very successful Arsenal side did after building a new stadium for far less money.
- He's blamed for being good at his job - that is, generating revenue and managing finances sensibly - i.e. not being more reckless with with wages.
- He's blamed for the amount of trophies won, even though the ENIC ownership coincides pretty much with the Abrahmovic one, where you suddenly had 2 or 3 new teams slowly trying to buy the league. As of around 2010 there were 5 teams 'expecting' to challenge for the title (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man United). Suddenly, these clubs started caring about winning the League Cup because they felt they had to win something. Remember when the FA Cup was deemed so irrelevant that Fergie asked to not be in it? Suddenly, you have clubs like City trying to win every trophy. It's no wonder no clubs outside of the ones listed above have won any domestic top-level trophy in the last 15 years or so.
- He's a sponge. He doesn't really talk to the media, or respond to the criticism, so that seems to make people argue more.
- He's the highest paid director in the league (but also arguably one of the only ones that actually seem to do that role.
- We have an amazing stadium and amazing facilities, with very secure finances surrounding this.
- We only have money to spend because he has generated the revenue to the level it is.
- He doesn't have his own money to invest, being only a psuedo-shareholder of ENIC, and the entire club has been rebuild off of thin air pretty much. It's not like he's a billionaire in liquid assets that refuses to pump money in