Are you suggesting Scholes and Lingard are in a business relationship of sorts?
Andy Mitten: United carried out an investigation into leaks from the dressing room
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Are you suggesting Scholes and Lingard are in a business relationship of sorts?
Exactly, how people chose to ignore all the facts is beyond me. If it was one article then you could say maybe its not him but it is consistent with Jesse.
Also, lets not forget that the journalist reporting it is is the same from the Mirror and Sun.
If they fixed the roof the leaks will stop !!
Regarding Lingard being the likely leaker, it'll be interesting to keep an ear out for any leaks at his next club to validate the theory.
If we start hearing stories along the lines of "Sources say Newcastle have a dressing room issue" or "reports of antipasti being too undercooked at the San Siro" would further confirm he was the rat all along.
If we start hearing stories along the lines of "Sources say Newcastle have a dressing room issue" or "reports of antipasti being too undercooked at the San Siro" would further confirm he was the rat all along.
No, I mean Lingard is providing Scholes with viewpoints that might influence the pubic view to his benefit while Scholes uses those insights in his television analysis.
First of all there's a clear difference between high tier journalism and sports journalism. The former tackle corruption, organized crime and political scandal while the latter will probably tackle Jesse Lingard humping a pillow or United being linked with Gaitan for the 12th time in a row. I mean currently one of the most reliable sports journalist on the world scene is Fabrizio Romano a 29 year old guy from Naples who spends half of his life speaking with the likes of Mark Goldbridge. Can you notice the difference between him and let say mafia guru Roberto Saviano who can't make a step out of his house without police protection? The stakes are somehow different. Regarding your second comment, I remember an ancient interview from Ryan Giggs were he said that whenever he organized a party behind the club's back, the first to show up would be SAF to spoil the fun and send everyone home. That was at a time when there was no social media, instagram and twitter that made things far far more easier.
I am pretty sure that United have enough people to make their own 1+1. The trouble is if the current United whose obsessed about social media presence would want to do that. Let's face it those who leak stuff tend to be the unprofessional people aka those who aren't fully focused on football matters
Ohhh, I do like a plot twist or two, especially one that has Jlingz coming off as an evil mastermind who's been manipulating the nice but dim Paul Scholes for several years.
Netflix should be all over this story.
I'm confused as to your point. Of course they can, but the same would apply. It's on both parties to understand the nature of what they are discussing, whether it is a friendly conversation or provision of information for sharing. But we're not discussing a relationship between a journalist and a player.
The Scholes/Lingard situation, based on what Scholes said at the time and after, to me doesn't look like an intentional leak, but Scholes sharing a conversation he wasn't meant to. I can't say whether that is the case for certain, but that is how it appears to me. Evidently a number of people don't share that viewpoint, that's fair enough.
You make it sound like Lingard trusted some sun journalist and gave info, they know each other and people talk and discuss. I don't know why people find it so surprising. Its not only with wives people share info, there is none better than Scholes to help Lingard on how to handle the situation
Just because he works as pundit doesn't mean players shouldn't be talking to ex players and discuss their situation.
It's normal to discuss dressing room and what a cnut player is with ex-player or with friends. It's normal discussion. Scholes working as pundit doesn't change any of that, Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Butt and others are good friends and they own a club. Do you think Scholes and Giggs didn't share anything about dressing room when they discuss about the club?
People are just overreacting for a nothing news.
Hopefully we’ve weeded out the culprits and are getting rid in the summer. Been going on for far too long, some absolute snakes at this club.
I've no stake in this one way or the other but why does it mean Lingard is innocent just because he wasn't there? You think he stopped talking to our players just because he was at another club?
I remember reading that Lee Grant was one of the biggest leaks, always talking to talksport. Him and Lingard pretty much.
Whatever the case, we've got like 10 players leaving so I'd be shocked if it's still an issue.
Whatever the case, we've got like 10 players leaving so I'd be shocked if it's still an issue.
We have changed squad 3-4 times since SAF retired and we always had articles on training, dressing room.
Journalists know players, agents, families and they also make stuff up.
We wont hear anything on this if we are winning trophies, if not then we will have plenty of stories.
I've heard from a very good source from within the club that Lingard was the leak and the only leak from within the club.
Well, he can't leak the teamsheet if he's not within earshot of the manager, and I can't imagine he'd be foolish enough to ask a member of the squad for that info as it would look highly suspicious
Sounds like something Dean Henderson would say. Stevoc written backwards is covets. Dean Henderson covets the starting goalkeeper position.
I see what you did there. Tell Lingard that he has a slappable face.
You also realise that a dressing room is a safe space. I watched Rio on his podcast describe the dressing room at United and he was saying its a safe space, no one talks to people outside as to what goes on in there.
With Jesse telling people outside, its clearly a leak. Ofcourse its an intentional leak, you are telling people that the dressing room is a bad place to someone who is not in the dressing room.
I don't need to give any evidence that it's not Lingard because there's no evidence to suggest it is Lingard!!
Scholes had a chat with Lingard, doesn't mean he is the leak, it was an off the cuff chat by all accounts.
Lingard has been mentioned in news reports claiming players feel he should be playing more...not exactly rocket science to think that a player would say that when Lingard is a popular member of the dressing room, so again, nothing substantial to suggest it was Lingard that leaked these stories.
It isn't my fault that people on here seem to have agendas against Lingard and feel they need to blame him for any of the clubs woes.
Why wouldn't Lingard come out himself and say 'I feel I should be playing more?'? He could easily do that, what would he have to lose by doing that? Instead people are claiming he is doing it on the sly, for what purpose?
Is he?
Prove it
We all know it's Jesse and Deano
I don't need to give any evidence that it's not Lingard because there's no evidence to suggest it is Lingard!!
Scholes had a chat with Lingard, doesn't mean he is the leak, it was an off the cuff chat by all accounts.
Lingard has been mentioned in news reports claiming players feel he should be playing more...not exactly rocket science to think that a player would say that when Lingard is a popular member of the dressing room, so again, nothing substantial to suggest it was Lingard that leaked these stories.
It isn't my fault that people on here seem to have agendas against Lingard and feel they need to blame him for any of the clubs woes.
Why wouldn't Lingard come out himself and say 'I feel I should be playing more?'? He could easily do that, what would he have to lose by doing that? Instead people are claiming he is doing it on the sly, for what purpose?
I dont get what part of telling someone that is not part of the dressing room is not a leak.
Of the cuff or not, when you tell someone that is not in the dressing room, that is it a shit place, its called a leak. Especially, if the person works in the media.
its not an agenda, its pure facts. No one is blaming Lingard for a shit season, we are having a look at his stinking attitude.
So in your opinion its fine for players to post pictures in another kit?
Its fine to say "In prison" whilst on a 5 star holiday in Dubai just because his move didn't go through?
Taking personal days because his head is not in the right space.
Asking the manager not to involve him in the squads.
He is a rotten apple. Pure and simple
Prove what?
That another player could quite easily say that they feel Lingard should be playing more?
That won't necessarily happen I suppose, because we forced him to stay against his will when he clearly wanted out and did so just to keep him on the bench.
Certainly don't remember it happening when he was at West Ham, but he seemed happy there so!
That isn't a leak!! Otherwise any time a player has a conversation with anyone regarding something to do with the club is a leak!! Any interviews about anything to do with the club is a leak!!
We are talking about concerted persistent leaks regarding team selections, dressing room morale and contracts here. Not someone who had a chat with an ex player!
This is nothing to do with Lingards so called attitude issues, merely people blaming him because they don't like him very much!
The guy was mislead regarding his game time, he wanted to go and was forced to stay, he can say what he wants on social media as far as I am concerned, I'm not on any social media so it really isn't an issue to me personally.
The guy has been at the club since he was a kid, he scored the winner in an FA cup final, I think he can be let off a few days in order to get his head straight when he needs to.
Ofcourse it is a leak. Okay, find me where anyone has come out and said the Liverpool / Arsenal / Chelsea City dressing room is shit show?
Every time something is leaked, it has something to do with Lingard... his team mates think he should play. Mate no one is going to the media to say, I think Jessie is brilliant in the training ground, he should play.
He was mislead on game time? prove it. Prove it that he was guaranteed a certain amount of minutes?
Since when did we guarantee minutes to players that do not perform? You think he has a divine right to play?
You keep asking for proof, prove to me that he was guaranteed a certain number of minutes, I want to know how much game time he was guaranteed.
It really isn't. Even more so on the back of a humiliation as the person you're chatting to is about to go live on air and discuss the club and dressing room you're disclosing information on.
Rio talks about these kind of things a lot on his channel. Of course arguments and fights would break out in the dressing room, but knowledge of that was privileged and not spoken about out of that bubble. Scholes has stitched Lingard up but Lingard certainly leaked information.
It is J. Lingard.
No, that's too obvious. It's Jesse L.
No, that's too obvious. It's Jesse L.
So you think Lingard knew Scholes would spit out that info? Or that he told him just before Scholes said it?
I wouldn't say leaked, I would say Lingard discussed issues with Scholes which is very common and normal thing to do. Maybe you think it isn't, so yeah lets agree to disagree.
He probably was hedging his bets his comments would be mentioned without the name drop.
There's too much smoke round Jesse at this stage to claim he isn't involved with the leaks. Common sense says he's at least Vardy-ing his leaks and getting his brother or agent to drop stories to certain journos.
I'm not saying he isn't involved in the leaks. Him, Rashford, Shaw and even Maguire looks obvious choices. My point was there was nothing wrong in Lingard discussing with Scholes. It's different from the leaks to Journalists.
That Lingard is popular in the changing room.
We can do this all day, at some point you have to just accept that if something looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck.
I think it is time for everyone, including our fans and our fan journalists, to chalk this one off. There is nothing to be gained from scratching around in the dirt. Or opening old wounds. Like he highlights in one of the first paragraphs, the problem has been moved on. In fact, multiple problems have been moved on. We are turning a new page, with a new strategy. We all need to buy into and get behind Ten Hag now. He's the best available manager out there. A workaholic who meticulously plans everything in finite detail. We haven't had anyone this good at his job since SAF. He will make great strides over the coming years, and all of this nonsense will be a distant and insignificant memory.