Yes Lingard was the leak.
I like to think he knows.
Shit.
Andy Mitten: United carried out an investigation into leaks from the dressing room
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Yes Lingard was the leak.
I like to think he knows.
Shit.
What would happen if they found out? Fine the player?
It may be slightly irrational. But whenever I see the name Andy Mitten i'm already a bit irritated, and then combine that with another utterly pointless negative based story, and it's there - full rage.
The guy has the easiest gig in football writing.
I can almost feel his summer signings piece coming....United have "identified" area of the team to improve. Looking at defence, midfield and attack. etc etc
Lingard is friends with Rashford, has been seen hanging out with Pogba, is friends with Shaw, his celebration against West Ham was telling also, with Maguire, Ronaldo and Bruno leading the charge for Lingard to celebrate.
The video in the bus when in Liverpool bead also telling as Lingard led the frivolity and everyone was joining in.
Sometimes you just have to accept that if it looks and sounds like a duck, it is probably a duck.
A simple Google search of Oles interviews will scratch your itch for prove in the bolded part, not hard really.
Begovic, Azpilacueta (twice in a few years), Lukaku have all spoken out in the past few years regarding Chelsea's poor dressing room morale to the press. Leaks galore there I guess!!
He'll, RR himself must be a leak as he let the press know that morale in the dressing room was low earlier in the season!!
A simple Google search of Oles interviews will scratch your itch for prove in the bolded part, not hard really.
Begovic, Azpilacueta (twice in a few years), Lukaku have all spoken out in the past few years regarding Chelsea's poor dressing room morale to the press. Leaks galore there I guess!!
He'll, RR himself must be a leak as he let the press know that morale in the dressing room was low earlier in the season!!
Again can you give me proof that Ole guaranteed Lingard x amount of minutes, I want to know how many minutes he was guaranteed.
Again, you say all of this, can you give proof of those comments ? No.
So you asking me for proof while you make statements with 0 evidence. Well done.
Next article.. "According to sources, journalist trawls football fan forums in search of topics, which will gain the most attention, to fabricate a story on, ." Wait....
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This is a myth propagated by a fair amount of journalists that have released some very pro Lingard coverage over the last 18 months. I'm sure all those journalists just really like the cut of Jesse's jib.
United were clearly trying to sell Lingard but he wouldn't leave as he obviously wanted to run his contract own. Which he now almost has.
No I just know what his job is and know he does not have a role as some pastoral figure to all our "young" players. You say there is no one better than Scholes well what Scholes did is took the information and broadcasted it through his role in the media bloody hell if Lingard thinks that the sports psychologist would do worse than that then he must have a very low opinion of him.
So Lingard had no inclination that Scholes might broadcast that information?
That is the crux of the issue and I think he would have to be silly not to think so.
It is amazing that when you expect footballers to have the basic levels of professionalism that you would expect in nearly any other industry some people want to paint a picture of these poor little lambs who are struggling.
Just give us a bloody name
So if near enough every publication including the Athletic giving credence to Ole promising Lingard playing time isn't enough, how about Ole's press conference at the start of the season when he states that Lingard has an important part to play moving forward (Clue - he didn't!).
How about the 6 clubs that were in for Lingard that united rebuffed as Ole wanted to keep him and use him?
So any prof yet on Lingard being the leak?
Just give us a bloody name
All we know for sure is the leakers first name starts with J, they are a product of the clubs academy, they're from Warrington, they have a clothing line, they like to dance and they are very active on social media.
But that could be literally anyone in the squad.
Do you remember what Ole said about Sanchez when he was about to return from his Inter loan? It's called "preserving value".So if near enough every publication including the Athletic giving credence to Ole promising Lingard playing time isn't enough, how about Ole's press conference at the start of the season when he states that Lingard has an important part to play moving forward (Clue - he didn't!).
How about the 6 clubs that were in for Lingard that united rebuffed as Ole wanted to keep him and use him?
So any prof yet on Lingard being the leak?
Ole had to say things in the media because
a) Lingard's camp are obviously very active with their media and PR network
b) Ole knew that the club will not accept any offer for Lingard and thus there's a high chance he will remain
Even the media claimed that he wanted to go to both West Ham and Newcastle. How does that relate to any promised minutes? It clearly points to the club not allowing his sale.
And after the Greenwood situation in Jan, that made a lot of sense too.
So if near enough every publication including the Athletic giving credence to Ole promising Lingard playing time isn't enough, how about Ole's press conference at the start of the season when he states that Lingard has an important part to play moving forward (Clue - he didn't!).
How about the 6 clubs that were in for Lingard that united rebuffed as Ole wanted to keep him and use him?
So any prof yet on Lingard being the leak?
Right, do you remember Ole in a presser saying Sanchez will be coming back to the squad?
Ole.
So you don't know how many minutes he was promised? How do you know he wasn't promised 10 mins here and there? Clearly, no player would get guaranteed mins if they are playing crap. You do realise that? Or are you one of those because he grew up at United he should start regardless of his performances?
Again, you are making stuff up, what 6 clubs were after him? Can you prove that 6 clubs put a bid for him in the summer? No.
I gave you evidence that suggests Lingard is a leak, you dont believe.
Scholes came out and said Lingard told him. That is proof.
You have given 0 proof about Azpi, Lukaku but keep going on about it.
So who the feck hired Rangnick then promptly decided a man praised for restructuring clubs would have nothing to do with fixing the club? There were better options available as coach.
Mate, the internet is your friend, just a little bit of research and you'll be full to the brim of evidence
Azpi
RR
Begovic
Jose ft. Azpi
I've thrown that last link in there as it's a good eye opener that potentially these 'leaks' happen at other clubs too.
All the above links show players actively speaking about dressing room morale, which would signify a leak no?
But carry on with your agendas and non entities of trying desperately to prove Lingard is a leak, when there is literally zero evidence that he is.
Murtagh and Fletcher.
We have to bear in mind here that according to the recent articles the club had to tell Rangnick to concentrate on managing the first team. So it's likely that the club seen Ralf as a manager only between December and June.
Mate, the internet is your friend, just a little bit of research and you'll be full to the brim of evidence
Azpi
RR
Begovic
Jose ft. Azpi
I've thrown that last link in there as it's a good eye opener that potentially these 'leaks' happen at other clubs too.
Jose was gone, along with the players that dont fit the club.
All the above links show players actively speaking about dressing room morale, which would signify a leak no?
But carry on with your agendas and non entities of trying desperately to prove Lingard is a leak, when there is literally zero evidence that he is.
Hahaha, Morale is always low when you lose a game. I guess you wouldn't know. If you think someone saying morale is low comparing to what Jesse said. I give up.
Anyway, carry on acting as if Lingard is not the leak.
I am not wasting my time with someone who does not understand morale to saying its a disaster.
Clearly, you've never been in a competitive environment where you lose and morale is low.
Rangnick was praised for restructructring clubs with billionaire owners (Dietmar Hopp/Dietrich Mateschitz) without those owners we probably wouldn't have heard of Rangnick as a Sporting director.
Rangnick was hired as interim manager to see out the rest of the season, and he confirmed that in his first press conference. The consultancy role was something that comes into effect at the end of the season.
I don't think many would need external input when selecting Erik ten Hag as the head coach ahead of Pochettino.
You might as well just give up mate. Some people on here have decided that players should just be happy to be kept around here to sit on the bench "just in case", and if they have the temerity to want to leave because they're not ever getting picked then they're toxic.Mate, the internet is your friend, just a little bit of research and you'll be full to the brim of evidence
Azpi
RR
Begovic
Jose ft. Azpi
I've thrown that last link in there as it's a good eye opener that potentially these 'leaks' happen at other clubs too.
All the above links show players actively speaking about dressing room morale, which would signify a leak no?
But carry on with your agendas and non entities of trying desperately to prove Lingard is a leak, when there is literally zero evidence that he is.
This is happening now with Lingard, who was kept at the club last summer despite interest from numerous clubs who would've made him a starter only to be sat on the bench for the vast majority of time. It also happened with Dean Henderson, who had the sheer audacity to be unhappy because he's played three times this season despite Premier League sides showing interest in taking him on loan. And again, you had people questioning Van de Beek's commitment too, even though he's played under seven full matches worth of Premier League football for the club since joining despite a £40 million price tag.
Some fans on here think the club can do no wrong and players should completely disregard their career progression because it's an honour to simply be involved with United. It's completely disconnected with reality.
Right, so Lingard was not given opportunity? Please go and have a look at how many minutes he was given in the 19/20 season, where he went a full year without a goal or assist. Yet some like you believe that regardless of performance we should play him.
That is how low certain fans standards have dropped.
Henderson got chances, he didn't perform amazingly, got covid at the start of the season and DDG got his chance and done well.
Donny went on loan, how's he faired? Lit up the PL?
People acting as if Lingard hasn't got chances, in the minimal chances he got, hes done feck all anyway. Career progression? mate this is the PL and United where you have to have a certain standard to play, its up to the player to progress as much as the club.
Lingard is not 19, hes 29.
The leak had been going on since Moyes' era but only now the club taking it seriously, just how pathetic they are? How hard was it for a club as big and rich as Man United to find the leakers? Hire private investigators if you must but the rats who had been undermining the club should be found and might even able sue to them for breaching their contract.
means nothing really. Ole also said he'd welcome Alexis Sanchez after his loan finished from Inter. Ole's biggest mistake was him being too kind to the players and the board by not wanting to rock the boat at all.
A simple Google search of Oles interviews will scratch your itch for prove in the bolded part, not hard really.
Begovic, Azpilacueta (twice in a few years), Lukaku have all spoken out in the past few years regarding Chelsea's poor dressing room morale to the press. Leaks galore there I guess!!
He'll, RR himself must be a leak as he let the press know that morale in the dressing room was low earlier in the season!!
means nothing really. Ole also said he'd welcome Alexis Sanchez after his loan finished from Inter. Ole's biggest mistake was him being too kind to the players and the board by not wanting to rock the boat at all.
Whether or not Lingard has been given chances in the past is completely besides the point. If we weren't going to play Lingard this season then we should've sold him. Same applies to Henderson.
My post has nothing to do with wanting Lingard to be given more chances. I wanted him sold last season. The point I am making is that it is completely unfair to keep players around "just in case" and expect them to just be happy with never getting a game when there are willing buyers who would further their career. Henderson is perhaps an even better example of this than Lingard; there were extremely credible reports of good teams being willing to take him on loan but Rangnick said no in case De Gea got injured. He then made one appearance since the end of January. You can surely see that he's entirely justified in being absolutely furious with that?
So, you think that we should have a squad of 15 next season?
Cause in many clubs, the 2nd goal keeper doesn't play, so we shouldn't have one?
Cause Ronaldo plays every game, we shouldn't have another striker on the bench because its unfair on them?
yep, lets just loan out all our players expect the ones that play 40 games a season. Great idea.
You most certainly are wasting your time!!
What Lingard said in a private conversation in exactly the same as what Azpi or Begovic said directly to the press!!
I suggest you go back to concocting agendas and stories and wasting your time, I'll carry on in the real world thanks!
Again, not my argument. My argument is that you need proper rotation of players so that you don't end up with players playing very few minutes and ending up extremely unhappy. If you're not going to give these players any minutes on the pitch but you're also not going to sell them to clubs who will, then you don't get to complain when they end up frustrated.
We absolutely need a second goalkeeper but we currently have one who a number of Premier League clubs would gladly take on loan and make their number one. Henderson has clubs willing to take him who would further his development but is instead stuck on the bench at United; he has every right not to be happy with this.
If various coaches think he isn't good enough to be number one in Ralf and Ole then it means he isnt a number 1 keeper for United.
He has a contract which he signed, no one forced him knowing DDG is number 1. No one has forced players to sign contracts at clubs, they do it because they get offered more money than elsewhere. Can't have it both ways btw.
Secondly, why should Manutd loan a player and sign another one to replace him, whilst still paying his wage? If he is unhappy, go get your agent to get a club to put an offer of £30m.
I guarantee you, if a club said £30m for Henderson, we would sell, just like we did with James.
So its up to the player to get his fingers out his ass, stop complaining and get a team to buy him.
No he doesn't.
He signed a contract, and has shown nothing to suggest he's worthy of being United's number 1. The fact is no club has come in for him, or if they have they've not made a reasonable offer for his services suggest the United coaches aren't the only ones who think this.
This attitude of of entitlement permeates the squad, and seemingly the worst culprits are our homegrown contigent whom seem to think they have a divine right to play regardless of form and ability.
Ofcourse mistake happens and that's what Scholes said happened when he said that by mistake. These are humans, not machines. Just because Scholes said something in the media doesn't mean players or even young players shouldn't be sharing their experience in the football club and ask for his guidance.
Yes but there were better coaches available than him, the impression was put out that he was to help restructure the club when in fact he hasnt had a say in anything. If that was the case why wasnt a better manager or coach hired? Ralfs coaching record was hardly top tier.
fecking stupid then. There were better coaching options available. I didnt mind Ralf telling the truth because I thought he was helping with the club in the background. Now it comes out we hired a not top class coach to coach rather than for what he was highly regarded for. Typical fecking shite from this club.
Have to say I agree if this was the case mate. I suspected at the time that he was hired as a reaction to the criticism of United having poor coaching levels under Solskjaer.
And to be fair it maybe wasn't entirely unreasonable to assume that a highly experienced and knowledgeable coach like Ralf might have been able to take United up a level as there was a belief among many that Solskajer's coaching ability (or lack thereof) was holding this squad back. But as it turns out these players and Rangnick were just a bad fit on pretty much every level.
Who were the better coaches?
But from what I remember reading, the most experienced candidate for the role was Ernesto Valverde but he wasn't interested in a role as the place holder for 6 months, according to reports. So it came down to Rudy Garcia and Ralf Rangnick and the temporary role was given to Rangnick.
But for me it doesn't matter who was selected because the damage was already done by Solskjaer, Phelan, Wells and Woodward/Judge in a board - manager led football structure. And to make matters worse we also lost 3 of our prominent first team coaches in McKenna, Carrick and Pert and things became even more unstable. It's extremely difficult to recover in such circumstances.
I don't believe I ever got the impression the club brought Rangnick in to restructure the football side of the club. He was brought in to concentrate on the first team until the end of the season, which is something Rangnick has repeatedly confirmed in press conferences. Rangnick himself confirmed in his first press conference that he took the job because managing Manchester United was something he couldn't turn down. And when asked about the consultancy role, he said that 'you have to ask the club about that'
I've already mentioned this several times in the past 5 or 6 months, and that is that United have signed up-to the consultancy firm setup by Rangnick and Lars Kornetka. And the only journalist who has even spoken about it is Rory Smith who currently works for the New York Times and formerly of the Times UK. The link for the site in question is below.
https://www.rangnick-kornetka-consulting.com/en/index.html
Conte and Valverde for a start.
Conte was the wrong fit both structurally and as far as implementing a vision on the pitch goes imo. I personally could never get behind a manager like Conte due to his very cautious footballing principles. And Jurgen Klopp only recently said that he would never set his team up the way Conte does. And I personally completely agree with Klopp and have had enough of watching reactive football.
Valverde it was said was only interested in the permanent role and I don't believe he's good enough for the permanent role.
We couldn't run a bath, let alone an investigation into leaks
Interesting article for those that think Rangnick is running things behind the scenes.
I read it. Piece of shit article tbh. Agenda from start to end.
Some people are butt hurt after they got fired or saw their friends got fired. So so cringe the whole piece.
I lost every bit of the little respect I had for Mitten. Proper tool.