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He hasn't had a Fred level of improvement but he's defiitely picked up in the last few games.
apparently Lingard has 19 chances. its not impressive. they regard a chance as the pass before someone takes a shot,That's pretty impressive.
Still has more than anyone else in our squad so I really don't see your point.apparently Lingard has 19 chances. its not impressive. they regard a chance as the pass before someone takes a shot,
Anyone who knows anything about the game can see he's nowhere near a United player, you'd have thought after nearly playing 30 times this season we'd ave seen some sort of improvement but we haven't. I'm not convinced a mid table club would even be interested in him.
Except we have seen improvement? How about you try watching games rather than spouting the usual drivel.Anyone who knows anything about the game can see he's nowhere near a United player, you'd have thought after nearly playing 30 times this season we'd ave seen some sort of improvement but we haven't. I'm not convinced a mid table club would even be interested in him.
I like how you followed up that holier than thou opening statement with something blatantly false, Pereira's clearly improved "anyone who knows anything about the game" could see that.Anyone who knows anything about the game can see he's nowhere near a United player, you'd have thought after nearly playing 30 times this season we'd ave seen some sort of improvement but we haven't. I'm not convinced a mid table club would even be interested in him.
I mean he is playing THE creative position in the team. You'd be very surprised if your number 10 wasn't high up on chances created.Still has more than anyone else in our squad so I really don't see your point.
What about that perfect ball in our last match that Brandon sent into the stratosphere? He has more chances created than either of our starting wingers who have played almost every game. He has been a squad player, rotating positions and not always starting. It's impressive however you want to look at it.I mean he is playing THE creative position in the team. You'd be very surprised if your number 10 wasn't high up on chances created.
Most of these are probably from free kicks / corners and crosses anyway. Off the top of your head can you think of an amazing pass or through ball he did?
The only ones I can think of are the pass for Martial at Burnley and the cross that Rashford scored (own goal) against Villa.
His performances have definitely improved. He might not be the starting #10 for a club with top 4 ambitions but a) he's still 22 and b) He is a viable squad option.
His performances have definitely improved. He might not be the starting #10 for a club with top 4 ambitions but a) he's still 22 and b) He is a viable squad option.
Yes it was a nice cross, that is really his strongest point. For me though as a number 10 we need more ability to create something out of nothing. The ball that mata played for Rashford for example is something we need from him more often.What about that perfect ball in our last match that Brandon sent into the stratosphere? He has more chances created than either of our starting wingers who have played almost every game. He has been a squad player, rotating positions and not always starting. It's impressive however you want to look at it.
I'm perfectly aware that he isn't starting quality at the moment but there is absolutely no need to downplay an impressive stat of his.
What about that perfect ball in our last match that Brandon sent into the stratosphere? He has more chances created than either of our starting wingers who have played almost every game. He has been a squad player, rotating positions and not always starting. It's impressive however you want to look at it.
I'm perfectly aware that he isn't starting quality at the moment but there is absolutely no need to downplay an impressive stat of his.
To be fair, Pereira put in a nearly identical cross against Villa for Rashford's goal, but you're correct that he needs to do things like that more consistently.Yes it was a nice cross, that is really his strongest point. For me though as a number 10 we need more ability to create something out of nothing. The ball that mata played for Rashford for example is something we need from him more often.
I did think he played well against Norwich, but they were pretty awful.
I'm of the opinion that he's a grand squad player who's quite versatile and has room for further improvement. His decision making has been a little off this season but it's getting better and he already has the technical ability. He's exactly the type of squad player we will need going forward.Yes it was a nice cross, that is really his strongest point. For me though as a number 10 we need more ability to create something out of nothing. The ball that mata played for Rashford for example is something we need from him more often.
I did think he played well against Norwich, but they were pretty awful.
Except he doesn't always play as a 10? He spent most of the start of the season as a right midfielder before being dropped and then brought back briefly as a 10 in a squad player capacity. Stop trying to rewrite history to make out that he's been our starting 10 this season.Its not that impressive given hes playing as a 10
Oh yeah i'm happy for him as a squad player. He obviously cares and wants to be here which is important, and he can play multiple positions.I'm of the opinion that he's a grand squad player who's quite versatile and has room for further improvement. His decision making has been a little off this season but it's getting better and he already has the technical ability. He's exactly the type of squad player we will need going forward.
Yeah, absolutely, I feel he should probably be second choice 10 or a utility player who fills in where and when needed.Oh yeah i'm happy for him as a squad player. He obviously cares and wants to be here which is important, and he can play multiple positions.
Quite rightly though we're looking to upgrade him with a bit more individual threat.
Except he doesn't always play as a 10? He spent most of the start of the season as a right midfielder before being dropped and then brought back briefly as a 10 in a squad player capacity. Stop trying to rewrite history to make out that he's been our starting 10 this season.
I mean he is playing THE creative position in the team. You'd be very surprised if your number 10 wasn't high up on chances created.
Most of these are probably from free kicks / corners and crosses anyway. Off the top of your head can you think of an amazing pass or through ball he did?
The only ones I can think of are the pass for Martial at Burnley and the cross that Rashford scored (own goal) against Villa.
No he hasn't. I don't particularly rate whoscored, but we'll go with it. According to the stats you have provided, he has started 16 games this season (not very many) 8 of them as CAM and 8 elsewhere. He has 6 sub appearances, from memory, he has come on to the right more often than not. So even using your source, I can tell that you're talking shite.Where have I said STARTING 10
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/243254/Show/Andreas-Pereira
He has played most of his games this season as a 10, only person rewriting history here is you
Anyone who knows anything about the game can see he's nowhere near a United player, you'd have thought after nearly playing 30 times this season we'd ave seen some sort of improvement but we haven't. I'm not convinced a mid table club would even be interested in him.
No he hasn't. I don't particularly rate whoscored, but we'll go with it. According to the stats you have provided, he has started 16 games this season (not very many) 8 of them as CAM and 8 elsewhere. He has 6 sub appearances, from memory, he has come on to the right more often than not. So even using your source, I can tell that you're talking shite.
Yeah our forwards don't make gambling runs often enough. If rashford did a similar run to what he did for his Norwich goal, he'd score 30 a season!He's created plenty of chances this season tbf. Another key one in the city game just before they scored their second but of course nobody to meet the cross which hasn't been an uncommon problem this season.
If I am wrong and he has been subbed on as a 10 as many as on the right that would still mean he has not played most of his games as a 10.
He has actually been subbed on at CAM as much as RW but whatever, your memory is obviously more reliable than recorded stats
Because Bruno would replace Pereira in the team. We wouldn't need Pereira for cup matches either because Mata is more useful. No point offering Lingard; they don't want him.Why would we offer Pereira in any loan deal in the Bruno transfer? If anything we should offer Lingard. Pereira has been useful for us this season. Not good, but definitely useful.
He might not be the starting #10 for a club with top 4 ambitions but a) he's still 22 and b) He is a viable squad option.
If I am wrong and he has been subbed on as a 10 as many as on the right that would still mean he has not played most of his games as a 10.
I mean he is playing THE creative position in the team. You'd be very surprised if your number 10 wasn't high up on chances created.
Most of these are probably from free kicks / corners and crosses anyway. Off the top of your head can you think of an amazing pass or through ball he did?
The only ones I can think of are the pass for Martial at Burnley and the cross that Rashford scored (own goal) against Villa.
11 games as CAM, 12 games not as CAM = Most games played as CAM.It actually would. You dont add up every other position and come up with a number. Which position has he player most of his games. CAM 11, RW 9, LW 1, MC 1, DMC 1 its not rocket science.
Anyway thats my last post on that in this thread
Of the three games you mentioned, Pereira didn't play against Everton or Watford, and Villa was one of those two games he had in central midfield when nobody else was fit and he was absolutely terrible. Obviously we should have a better starting #10, but equally obviously he's been our best this season. Not amazing, but he's been decent (which instantly puts him significantly ahead of Lingard and Mata).If you read my post, I said much bigger 'games' not much bigger teams.
E. G. The games against Everton, Watford, Villa etc. were huge because other sides, most importantly Chelsea, had just dropped points.
That momentum is lost now, so anyone getting their hopes up after beating Norwich is seriously kidding themselves.
11 games as CAM, 12 games not as CAM = Most games played as CAM.
Right you are.
Mata's had one good game all season and he wasn't even playing at #10 in it.Because Bruno would replace Pereira in the team. We wouldn't need Pereira for cup matches either because Mata is more useful. No point offering Lingard; they don't want him.
Or he's mostly played out of position? Remember that this debate is to do with him creating the most chances this season.Logic so his most games are played as a mixture of positions just admit when you're wrong and move on
Or he's mostly played out of position? Remember that this debate is to do with him creating the most chances this season.
Edit: This is your initial comment on the subject.
"Its not that impressive given hes playing as a 10"
Given that it is the most in our squad and he's not a guaranteed starter and often moves about the pitch to accommodate others, it is impressive, I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. We have Rashford (30 games) and James (27 games) as our starting wingers and neither have created as much as one of our utility players, you have to admit, that particular stat is impressive.Ok let me put it like this, its not that impressive as hes mostly played as an attacking mid.... whether its CAM or AMR
Given that it is the most in our squad and he's not a guaranteed starter and often moves about the pitch to accommodate others, it is impressive, I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. We have Rashford (30 games) and James (27 games) as our starting wingers and neither have created as much as one of our utility players, you have to admit, that particular stat is impressive.