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I honestly believe it would be an insult to my intelligence to bother posting a meaningful response to this car crash of a post.
Great post.
It'll be lost among the absolute shambles of shite that's been written over the last few pages of this thread but it's heartening to read the odd piece of knowledge and understanding all the same.
Thank you
He’s pretty much finished here IMO. Was a big fan of him as a youngster but it became apparent to me from watching him at Valencia that he lacked the elite level dynamism needed to make it at a club like United and his footballing intelligence just isn’t razor sharp enough to make up for that fact.
Some players are slow but they can make it up by being faster in terms of decision making and others make up for it through boundless stamina. Pereira just looks off the pace far too often whenever I seen him play. He has the odd good performance but nowhere near enough to justify the hype that has been built around him.
He’s probably got one more game in him by the end of the season to prove himself and then he will probably be sold. If you’re still not able to make it under someone like Ole then you have no excuses.
Sincerely hope I’m wrong about this as he is technically clearly good enough to play midfield for us but technique alone does not maketh the player. Mentally and physically you have to be able to compete. I was hoping he could be our Kroos but just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
Some players are slow but they can make it up by being faster in terms of decision making and others make up for it through boundless stamina. Pereira just looks off the pace far too often whenever I seen him play. He has the odd good performance but nowhere near enough to justify the hype that has been built around him.
He’s probably got one more game in him by the end of the season to prove himself and then he will probably be sold. If you’re still not able to make it under someone like Ole then you have no excuses.
Sincerely hope I’m wrong about this as he is technically clearly good enough to play midfield for us but technique alone does not maketh the player. Mentally and physically you have to be able to compete. I was hoping he could be our Kroos but just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
But we did give him chance. He was not good at the start of the season, was not good in the FA Cup and yet he still has his chance again and didn't play well, again. Should we give McTominay his minutes instead? And I don't think Andreas is a better player than McTominay. Sure he's better on the ball but at age 23 he didn't know his best position yet, while McTominay can evolve into a good destroyer mid with his work rate and strength/height. Remember at a top club like us, the minutes for youngster are extremely limited so the player needs to prove that they deserve those minutes.
I also feel that Perreira didn't help himself with his decision making on his own development. Mourinho wanted him to stay last season and if he did so, he would be able to get some minutes in the Pogba roles with more focus on attacking contribution. And if he really wants to go on loan he should go to a team that can play him at his preferred position. What's the point of going to Valencia to play as a winger if you are not a winger?
Anyway, calling people criticizing him "angry mob" won't help your argument look any better.
You're right, he wasn't good right at the start of the season, he was excellent. He played as a winger at Valencia because he was asked to (he also played mostly as winger at Granada but was also used as a CAM). If you've followed his career you should know he's been deployed as a number 6, 8, 10 and as an inverted winger from the reserves to senior appearances. I remember Mourinho also questioning why he played as a winger on his loan spells though because I feel it was discussed that he'd settle as a 6. During preseason Pereira told the media that Mourinho asked him what role he was going to play, and he told Mourinho he'd play wherever he was asked. This is what Mourinho had to say after Pereira's match against Leicester in the league opener:
Mourinho on Andreas: "I want to say one thing on Andreas Pereira. He was the right-winger at Valencia and comes to #mufc and plays a phenomenal match."
His best position is clearly considered as a number 6 otherwise even Ole wouldn't be playing him there. Also, here are some quotes after his 'not good' start to the season:
He's a ball playing midfielder. He likes to move the ball quickly between the lines and press forward. He has 3 problems to overcome. He's not great defensively, he didnt show much mental strength on Tuesday, and perhaps most importantly we already happen to have arguably the world's best at the job he likes to do.
I used to think he could be a Matic/Herrera replacement but he always looks a bit lost when we're not on the ball.
I sometimes feel that such forums are simply not really fit for purpose if you are seeking good, qualitative debate. It seems a platform for some rather reactionary thinking and opinions. That's no criticism, more an observation, highlights social media in general really. I'm as guilty as any and I suppose we could all benefit from a little more thought at times.
Pereira does seem a little short right now, across his game, and he has been at the club a while, so there are reasons why there seems to be questions around his game.
The good thing is that I do feel that the level of attention , consideration and coaching now in place, and the different environment, will give the whole squad an opportunity to improve.
Pereira does seem a little short right now, across his game, and he has been at the club a while, so there are reasons why there seems to be questions around his game.
The good thing is that I do feel that the level of attention , consideration and coaching now in place, and the different environment, will give the whole squad an opportunity to improve.
I am not the type of overhyping our player, so maybe you and a lot of other people think he was excellent I think he was just decent/not good. He was very good in Leicester match, quite bad in the Brighton match, and was nothing special/bad in other games. I know whoscored rating is not gospel but if you look at his game for us this season it's hard to say there is a period that he was "excellent" https://www.whoscored.com/Players/243254/Fixtures/Andreas-Pereira
He was asked to play as a winger but as you said it yourself "he's been deployed as a number 6, 8, 10 and as an inverted winger from the reserves to senior appearances" and "His best position is clearly considered as a number 6 otherwise even Ole wouldn't be playing him there" - So I assume that central/6,8,10 is his preferred position? So why didn't he go on loan to a team that helps him improve in those positions? Is there any way that we can say his loan spell at Valencia is productive?
In all the quotes that you quoted, almost all of them praise his passing ability and I agree that he has good passing. That's why I think he should be deployed at Pogba position so he can show off his attacking ability (while have less defensive task) and we will be able to rest Pogba as well. If he stayed with us last year he would have that chance already for a decent period. I know he didn't have a crystal ball to foresee the Pogba injury but last year he was our second best creative CM behind Pogba, and it's clear that Mourinho wanted him to stay.
You may think I don't like Andreas or think he's a bad player but I did not. My point is simple he was indeed given chances and didn't take it. Whether he should be given more chances or not is up to Ole. Personally, I would like to see McTominay more as a CDM, break down the game and pass it simple.
If we keep starting Pereira over Chong Gomes and Greenwood. There are more in the ranks as well
They don't even play in the same position. Pereira started over Fred, Mctominay and possibly Garner if you think he's ready to start for the first time. I don't think he is.
He shouldn't even be starting ahead of Mctominay then.
I am surprised that he is a Brazilian international already.. Maybe i am missing something but to me he reminds me of players from Bournemouth or Brighton. It is best if they can loan him to another club since he is only 22.
Forgetting how he played for a bit I'm a bit disappointing in how afraid he seems to be of getting stuck in. I remember for the U23s he used to get stuck in and dish out rough challenges on a regular basis. Seems less physical than Mata for the first team.
Andreas may or may not have what it takes to succeed at United, but it can't be argued that he's been given enough chances to prove himself here. Others have posted the numbers to support this point.
I wish he had been loaned out to a PL or Championship club last season to get sustained experience with the high pace in England. His mistake against Burnley was partly on Jones, but partly on Pereira in not anticipating the instant pressure.
I wish he had been loaned out to a PL or Championship club last season to get sustained experience with the high pace in England. His mistake against Burnley was partly on Jones, but partly on Pereira in not anticipating the instant pressure.
You can't be serious. What assurances do you have that those boys wouldn't struggle like Pereira is? Pereira was as highly considered as they are now if not more at the same age. You really have to think this over
This is definitely not true. Both Gomez and Greenwood are rated more now than Periera was back then. Both of these players are considered quite special when it comes to the academy in recent times.
I however agree with you general point and look no further than Rashford. Virtually no-one expected Rashford to have made 100 appearances so soon and he wasn't all that in youth football. Pereira deserves more chances.
I have no assurance. I'm saying it's time to give them a chance.
Can you please tell me on what basis Pereira deserves more chances than say Gomes
Im sorry but I beg to differ, its just down to opinion I guess but I read a lot about Pereira at 19. There was a lot of excitement when we got him from PSV, just as much as there was when Pogba came from France. Average United followers who only casually follow the youth teams every once in a while only found out who Greenwood was recently when his performances were highlighted on social media. Players like Sylvan Ebanks-Blake and Mads Timm were even more hyped back in the day and I can only imagine how much more it would have been in this social media era. Im not knocking you down, but Pereira has been known and hyped up for a while now.
He's older, more experienced with his loan spells and its his time to prove himself. This is only his first full season as a senior player at United FFS. You're basically saying the coaching staff are wrong in giving Pereira opportunities. Those kids will get their chances and they're not even like for like players.
Gomes is not getting into this team for the foreseeable future. His position is taken up by Pogba. Pereira on the other hand has experience as a wide player and we are already using a wide player with midfield qualities. Pereira I would say can make a claim over Mata in this squad.
No way I can accept Pogba and Pereira being put on similar footing in youth football. Pogba was a man against boys for all of his time in our academy and many thought him and Ravel were the most exciting prospects since Scholes (including me). Yes Pereira is highly rated, and I watched him in the academy and thought the same (this guy can be a good player for us).
Nobody wants him to fail. We'd all much prefer if he was good enough and succeeded. He just isn't. It's not confirmation bias, it's simply that he isn't good enough.
I've watched him for years and years and for much of that time thought he might have a chance but he just hasn't developed as well as we might have hoped. He was good enough for Grenada but not quite good enough to nail down a spot at Valencia. That sums up his level pretty well.
As for having the requisite talent to become good enough, I honestly can't see it. He's got two nice feet but is too weak to protect the ball, his passing is inaccurate, he's not especially quick and so far he's completely froze whenever he's been given a chance in the first team. What are you seeing in him that others aren't? A few Cruyff turns and the fact that he used to take corners with either foot? It's hardly enough at this level.
I didn't say they're wrong so no need to make stuff up regarding what I said. He deserved his chances. Was a promising player but not all promising players make it. From his chances it is quite evident he is really, really far from ever making it as a United player. My guess is the coaching staff know this too and wont be playing him as often anymore.
I'd much rather see Fred given chances now. No need to waste time on Perera
He will probably get more chances to start or enter as a sub, not that he deserves it after his last performances, but our midfield is so thin that Ole will be forced to use him.
All this people claiming he is so good but must play as a winger, what makes you think he can play there? He is as slow as Mata, may not be as weak as Mata but he definately is not a strong player. He doesn’t have the technicall ability to get past his man, for me playing him as a winger we will only have a worst version of Mata. Who by the way is not starting right now. Just because he played a few games for Valencia on the wing doesn’t mean he is good at it.
If he’s going to get another chance should be playing as a number 8, in Pogba’s position, I don’t think he currently is or ever will be good enough for us, but playing him in Herrera’s role again is a shot to the face at least in Pogba’s role he may show one or two glympses of talent and will not cost us in the control of the game.
Bottom line, has any one wonder why his contract expires in the summer, as has no approach from other clubs or why haven’t we offer him a new one? I mean we just gave McTominnay a new contract, its clear is not only the fans who don’t rate him much but the team as well.
Hopefully he can end his career here giving decent performances, I think he tries way too hard to impress and end up complicating things, he should enjoy it and play simple. I think it will be the last time he plays for a top club.
All this people claiming he is so good but must play as a winger, what makes you think he can play there? He is as slow as Mata, may not be as weak as Mata but he definately is not a strong player. He doesn’t have the technicall ability to get past his man, for me playing him as a winger we will only have a worst version of Mata. Who by the way is not starting right now. Just because he played a few games for Valencia on the wing doesn’t mean he is good at it.
If he’s going to get another chance should be playing as a number 8, in Pogba’s position, I don’t think he currently is or ever will be good enough for us, but playing him in Herrera’s role again is a shot to the face at least in Pogba’s role he may show one or two glympses of talent and will not cost us in the control of the game.
Bottom line, has any one wonder why his contract expires in the summer, as has no approach from other clubs or why haven’t we offer him a new one? I mean we just gave McTominnay a new contract, its clear is not only the fans who don’t rate him much but the team as well.
Hopefully he can end his career here giving decent performances, I think he tries way too hard to impress and end up complicating things, he should enjoy it and play simple. I think it will be the last time he plays for a top club.
I'd be quite surprised if we haven't offered him one at all. But it'd be as a low level squad player, and he won't accept it because he wants to play.
There sure be rumors at least if that had happened dont you think? We havent heard anything regarding a renewal.
He's been hyped by people like you who know nothing about football and go on and on about the first game of the season or the pre-season tours.
We have an option for another year. We will trigger that.
Oh do tell us how it is all knowing one.
Always good to have people that know more then us tell us how little we know..
Always good to have people that know more then us tell us how little we know..
Oh yes. Im so humbled right now
Andreas is technically gifted but is not athletic/ strong/ enough for the elite level. If he was other clubs would have signed him already even on loan. In essence every other coach has done their homework on him and decided to pass.
You do realize he just came off two back to back loans right? Yes they were in Spain, but im sure many British teams would've taken him.
As you shouldOh yes. Im so humbled right now
You mean like being loaned to a top 4 la liga side who wanted to sign him on a permanent?
By the looks of things he's not travelling with the squad down to London for tomorrows fixture with Fulham.
McTominay and Chong have both travelled.
McTominay and Chong have both travelled.
Shame, this actually would've been a perfect game for him to atone for his last performance. His confidence must be shot and there's no way he'll be in the squad for Liverpool, at least I don't think so.
Pereira written off in just one season with the first team. How am I not surprised? This is Caf, get used to it.
Young players needs time to adapt, he just got the first taste of the first team on not so consistent basis. He will improve once he is assured about his chances and future in this United team.
To those people who has written him off, feck off.
Young players needs time to adapt, he just got the first taste of the first team on not so consistent basis. He will improve once he is assured about his chances and future in this United team.
To those people who has written him off, feck off.
He is not really young anymore and this isn’t his first season, you talk about him as if he had just break through and was a 17-18 year old player. He is 23 already, he should be showing real improvement by now. We are all about promoting the youth then lets give real youth chances, players like Gomes, Chong, Greenwood.
The sad reality is that not all the academy players have what is needed, in fact most youngsters are not and will never be United quality, with some luck we will find true geems but we cannot keep wasting time on players that have been around the first team for 3-4 years and still need time to prove they might eventually become good enough.
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