[Ekeke]

One of the all-time dumb posts. You know a player has had a crap game when someone is quoting their "foul" stats. What the hell does that even mean? "He could committed 2 fouls to break up play" Jesus. And then you compare his passing stats to Pogba. Are you serious? Do you think it might have something to do with Pogba trying difficult defense-splitting passes. Probably 90% of Periera's passes were to Young on the right. He was scared in possession and timid in defense. It was a shambles. I hope this performance finally shuts people's mouths. Stop putting so much emphasis on these stupid pre-season tours against cannon fodder MSL teams and European teams missing half of their stars.

"probably"

Your post is based on "probably" - assumptions.

Mine is based on facts. Or you're probably the dumb one.

 

[staniswin]

Mctominay has featured in 33 games, 1700 minutes in the last 18 months for us since debut in may in the 16/17 season. Pereira has featured 23 times for us, with a total of 850 minutes spread out since the 14/15 season. So It’s hardly strange that McTominay has left more of an impression on fans considering he’s actually been an active part of the team in recent times compared to Pereira who’s, at best, always been a peripheral figure here.


There’s no way you can tell me McTominay is the bigger talent. He’s got a strong mentality and good practical ability but as a footballer Pereira has far more ability.

Mctominay is 2x the player and 2x more useful , Pereira is too slow , too weak and too scared to play in EPL. In this league , everyone have to fight for the ball. Burnley was targetting him all game to bypass our pressure by launching hoof ball to his area & he lost every single duels. His talent is meaningless cause he is too slow to take on any opposition and just get outmuscled all the time which is why he started to look timid as the game went on , only did short simple pass, if what he does is only simple short pass then what's the difference between him and Mctominay/Fellaini ? I rather have the other two since at least they aren't going to be bullied easily , it's like when i play against skillful kids , he is much skillful in dribbling and controlling but i am twice his size so i just brush him off to take the ball from. The reason why Jose Mourinho tried to play him as DM.. no , not particularly DM but regista,same position and role Jorginho has been playing in Chelsea was because he knew Pereira is going to be bullied anywhere else.He should go to some less physical league if he want to revive his career.

 

[MAME DIOUF 32]

Hard to see a way forward from here. He's blown every chance he's been given this season. If we're feeling really generous then loan him elsewhere in the PL for 18 months, but tbh it's probably best if he moves on.

 

[Giant Midget]

Can’t help but think he wasted time with those loans. He should have gone on loan in the PL/Championship to a team that played him at CM, not faffed around on the wing in La Liga. It hasn’t developed the attributes he needs for this league or position.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

I still think there's a player in there somewhere but he'll never fit our system. He's done.

 

[Patrick08]

Apart from some rookie mistakes and considering he's got so little experience in the EPL I think that Periera did fairly well. His passing was quite good and at one point he gave a through ball that would have made Carrick proud. I don't think that the Brazilian has the positioning and the physicality to play in a DM role though. If we're going to play him in that deep role then we'll need to have loads of patience + someone who can provide us with plenty of movement and workrate
to cover his arse. However there's potential in the lad. He reminds me alot of Pirlo when he first started playing in a deep role.

He might make it somewhere else but I just don't see him making it here. You have to take your chances as they come and impress in those. The only thing in his favour is fred hasn't taken his as well.

 

[devilish]

He might make it somewhere else but I just don't see him making it here. You have to take your chances as they come and impress in those. The only thing in his favour is fred hasn't taken his as well.

I think he is screaming for a loan in the EPL. Once he adapts to the quick tempo and the physicality of the game then he will do fine

 

[Patrick08]

I think he is screaming for a loan in the EPL. Once he adapts to the quick tempo and the physicality of the game then he will do fine

That's down to him and his agent, but his preferences of loan choices from the past provides little evidence that he would like to make his career here in England.

 

[sparx99]

He's only 23 and has barely played. Fellaini leaving and us giving opportunities to Pereira instead can only be good for his development. Not every player is ready at 18/19 years of age. I think he is being played far too deep and I would like to see him used as Pogbas backup as a midfielder with license to get forward instead of being a deep playmaker where he is recycling possession.

If we had been playing better at different times he would be the kind of player to bring on at 65/70 mins to give Pogba a rest and build his confidence. Instead he is thrown in every 2 months stone cold and is not match sharp.

 

[BluesJr]

Swap for Brooks + £20m.

 

[Gordon S]

Yep, his time here is up, one chance is all he gets, hope the club works fast and find him a new club before the window closes.

Or we could actually give him more time? Because young players might actually learn from their mistakes? Just a thought.

 

[Oldyella]

Yep, his time here is up, one chance is all he gets, hope the club works fast and find him a new club before the window closes.

Or we could actually give him more time? Because young players might actually learn from their mistakes? Just a thought.

He needs to move for his own good, hes just not playing enough.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Yep, his time here is up, one chance is all he gets, hope the club works fast and find him a new club before the window closes.

Or we could actually give him more time? Because young players might actually learn from their mistakes? Just a thought.

You're acting like this was his first chance. It wasn't. Get rid.

 

[Gordon S]

You're acting like this was his first chance. It wasn't. Get rid.

The last time he started was the first game of the season, against Leicester, and he did ok that game.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

The last time he started was the first game of the season, against Leicester, and he did ok that game.

In the league, to be fair he’s since started against Reading and Valencia from start aswell hasn’t he?

It’s obviousliy a really tough situation for him though coming into the team so rarely. What’s worse for him, a common denominator for his games for us this year is that when he’s had the chance we’ve rotated alot and he hasn’t had any runners ahead of him as Rashford and Martial have been rested. Makes it much tougher for a guy like him who wants to be positive and move the ball forward when there’s no one making any runs for you. It forces you to complicate situations because your not in form but at the same time you have to make sure to stand out in order to get more chances.

Under Mourinho I think we’ve been really shit at using momentum when bringing players into the fold when they’re in form. We didn’t bring in Pereira when he was coming off an impressive season for Granada, we didn’t bring Tuanzebe in after impressing at the end of 16/17, we messed around with Shaw when he was finding his feet last winter etc..

 

[Raw]

The last time he started was the first game of the season, against Leicester, and he did ok that game.

Last time he started was the Brighton 3-2 loss. He was subbed at half time because he wasn't playing well.

 

[Pace Abuser]

I'm going

The last time he started was the first game of the season, against Leicester, and he did ok that game.

He started against Brighton in what was a horrendous display. Which rightly marked his end under Jose.

 

[Gordon S]

I'm going


He started against Brighton in what was a horrendous display. Which rightly marked his end under Jose.

Fair enough, he had 5 starts this season? Is it enough to conclude he will never improve?

Some players just needs more time to figure things out. Like Lindelöf, Shaw, Lingard. I don’t know if it will happen for Pereira but i just think it’s still too early.

 

[Escobar]

I think he is screaming for a loan in the EPL. Once he adapts to the quick tempo and the physicality of the game then he will do fine

Agreed but doesnt his contract run out in summer? I guess he is a goner

 

[breakout67]

Pereira is 23 and has played plenty of games at the top level. We already know what he's about, squad player is his current standing. Nothing wrong with that, but I doubt he's willing to take that role, he's shown already that he wants regular football over staying here.

 

[We need an rvn]

Fair enough, he had 5 starts this season? Is it enough to conclude he will never improve?

Some players just needs more time to figure things out. Like Lindelöf, Shaw, Lingard. I don’t know if it will happen for Pereira but i just think it’s still too early.

Torn on this one. One side of me is shouting he could just be a late developer like Jesse was, the guy has only just turned 23 still which you have to take into account. On the other side, he's been at the club since what, 16? He should be doing better than his performance last weekend in order to convince me he's good enough though. Going to sit on the fence for another month before him the thumbs up or down.


I always thought Lindelöf would come good - just needed more time than perhaps usual to adjust to the PL and find his feet. Have been backing him for the last 12 months or so, so am glad he's coming good.

 

[Faetheshire86]

Never ceases to amaze me how people revel in condemning our own players. He has ability and given more game time he would no doubt improve. Unfortunately we aren't a charity and minutes are precious, so you need to show that you can contribute in some way (or be lucky to not have much better players in front of you). You would hope that with the limited chances he has had, he would have shown something, be it tenacity, bravery, composure. That's the reason a player like McTominay is ahead of him right now.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

I'm going


He started against Brighton in what was a horrendous display. Which rightly marked his end under Jose.

Most of the players had horrendous displays that day against Brighton, it’s hardly fair to single out Pereira from that game. If you judged the others by that same standard then it should have marked the end for Pogba, Lindelöf, Bailly and more.

 

[Loublaze]

Never ceases to amaze me how people revel in condemning our own players. He has ability and given more game time he would no doubt improve. Unfortunately we aren't a charity and minutes are precious, so you need to show that you can contribute in some way (or be lucky to not have much better players in front of you). You would hope that with the limited chances he has had, he would have shown something, be it tenacity, bravery, composure. That's the reason a player like McTominay is ahead of him right now.

How is Mctominay ahead? He's barely played since Solskjaer took over. Its funny seeing all these other posters calling time on his career at OT when he hasn't even had an uninterrupted run in the team

 

[Bobcat]

Mctominay has featured in 33 games, 1700 minutes in the last 18 months for us since debut in may in the 16/17 season. Pereira has featured 23 times for us, with a total of 850 minutes spread out since the 14/15 season. So It’s hardly strange that McTominay has left more of an impression on fans considering he’s actually been an active part of the team in recent times compared to Pereira who’s, at best, always been a peripheral figure here.



There’s no way you can tell me McTominay is the bigger talent. He’s got a strong mentality and good practical ability but as a footballer Pereira has far more ability.

Anyone can look like a world beater in youtube compliations, and most of those clips were pretty standard skills. If you are good enough, you get picked, and its no different for him than anyone else. Hes as old as Martial and two years older than Rashford, hes not a unblooded youngster hes 23 and nearing his prime. I'd be happy to eat my words and see him succeed, but i really doubt that will happen

 

[breakout67]

Periera has no future here as a starter in midfield, his position is taken up by Pogba. Gomez is much better suited to become a starter because of the age difference. I've been an advocate of binning Mata and playing Pereira, Mata has declined significantly and Pereira has shown a good level playing as a wide player.

 

[el3mel]

McTominay actually did more to us in his few appearances last season than Periera did. That speaks pretty shite about Periera actually. Scott is a nothing player and we all know that but still did a job against Liverpool and Chelsea last season while Periera can't even hold himself against fecking Reading and Burnley. As I said that speaks horribly about him.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Anyone can look like a world beater in youtube compliations, and most of those clips were pretty standard skills. If you are good enough, you get picked, and its no different for him than anyone else. Hes as old as Martial and two years older than Rashford, hes not a unblooded youngster hes 23 and nearing his prime. I'd be happy to eat my words and see him succeed, but i really doubt that will happen

It was in response to a post saying McTominays shown more for us which might be true but Pereira’s barely had a chance here. I think people should be reminded of some of the things he’s got in his locker.
Andreas is 23, but he’s had a motley couple of years and it’s easier for young attackers to break through than midfielders who often only move deeper with age. Scholes didn’t move into midfield until the age of 23 and he had a couple of years experience of the league before that. Zidane joined Juve at the age of 24 I think, Modric was 23 when he joined Tottenham and started out playing on the wings I believe.
If the club believes in him there would be ways to blood him in but at this point of time, sorting out Andreas Pereiras future will be very low priority on our ’to do list’.

 

[Mcking]

It is all confirmation bias in here. Some seem to be desperate for him to fail just to prove a point. He has played very few minutes in an unfamiliar team since August, so it is understandable that he had a not-so-good performance in what was a tough a game for us. Why shouldn't he get more chances when other players get loads to prove themselves and to get themselves into form? Because he was not signed for big money, or because some are just desperate to see him fail? He has got the talent, just needs the time and it is amazing that some can't wait to confirm their biases after one or two games - bashing him and completely ignoring context.

 

[Jericho]

"probably"

Your post is based on "probably" - assumptions.

Mine is based on facts. Or you're probably the dumb one.

You're just playing word games there, and avoiding the valid points billybee99 brought up.

 

[PeteManic]

A Tom Cleverly level of squad player. Still useful for some games. The midfield just missed the energy of Herrera.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

It is all confirmation bias in here. Some seem to be desperate for him to fail just to prove a point. He has played very few minutes in an unfamiliar team since August, so it is understandable that he had a not-so-good performance in what was a tough a game for us. Why shouldn't he get more chances when other players get loads to prove themselves and to get themselves into form? Because he was not signed for big money, or because some are just desperate to see him fail? He has got the talent, just needs the time and it is amazing that some can't wait to confirm their biases after one or two games - bashing him and completely ignoring context.

He’s had chances though and the opinion is not being based upon 1-2 games. He’s started against Leicester, Brighton, Valencia, Reading & Burnley and has made a handful of appearances of the bench. Other than the Leicester game, he’s been extremely poor in those other games that he has started and seems to get stage fright whenever he does start. Coming off the bench, has he made a telling contribution that makes you think, “wow that’s a great cameo appearance by Pereira, he has given the manager some food for thought now”? I don’t think he has.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Should be playing wide RW for me. Not a CM.

 

[edcunited1878]

He'll get chances still under Ole and he deserves his chance(s) to rectify his performance against Burnley. It's almost to a default now because United are playing 3 central players and his only competitors are Fred and McTominay. He needs to push on and be a reliable option off the bench because the team needs it. Needs to show his worth because Ole publicly backed him already about his performances/effort in training and he rewarded him by literally and figuratively falling on his arse. We need him provide depth and option. Matic, Pogba and Herrera for the next 3 months will not hold, just too many games against quality opponents.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Periera has no future here as a starter in midfield, his position is taken up by Pogba. Gomez is much better suited to become a starter because of the age difference. I've been an advocate of binning Mata and playing Pereira, Mata has declined significantly and Pereira has shown a good level playing as a wide player.

Yh I don't know why people are overlooking the fact he can also play wide - Mata has been woeful of late and Pereira was always a naturally more attack minded player anyway. He probably should also get some added reprieve after Jose had been retraining him as a 6 which is ludicrous.

There's every possibility he won't make it here but I see no harm in playing him ahead of Mata and as a sub for Pogba, who seems to be picking up some minor knocks recently.

 

[simonhch]

Now the angry mob has hopefully subsided, let's acknowledge that young players will only ever develop if you give them chances, and accept they will make mistakes. It has always been this way, and will always be this way. Let's also accept that different players mature at different rates. I think it is easy to see that there is a talented player in there, whether he'll make it at the top is anyone's guess; but we'll never know unless we give him chances. And isolated games here or there do not count. The lad has barely played any football this season, and he's thrown into a game in the middle of the season and expected to perform at a high level. I wouldn't be surprised if he was shitting bricks.

This thread doesn't even really need to be about Andreas. This thread is really about the attitude we adopt to young players in general. It is in our club's ethos to promote youth from our academy, yet large swathes of our fan-base are incredibly quick to write them off. I think we need to grasp the key assumption that if they are getting a chance in the first team, then the coaches are seeing qualities in them that may not be immediately apparent to casual fans. When I think of the list of players that have come through and been written off by fans, often in the harshest of terms, only to go on and become valuable players, it is pretty discouraging.

 

[shamans]

Now the angry mob has hopefully subsided, let's acknowledge that young players will only ever develop if you give them chances, and accept they will make mistakes. It has always been this way, and will always be this way. Let's also accept that different players mature at different rates. I think it is easy to see that there is a talented player in there, whether he'll make it at the top is anyone's guess.

There's no angry mob. It's just accepting he's at a pretty poor level and there's nothing special about him. Is there a remote chance in hell that he actually will develop later on? Yeah maybe but there are dozens of other potential top players waiting for their chance and it's disrespectful to them to be giving Pereira starts.

If he "matures" at 26, that's not something we can accept. Time to cut loose and give the next crop a chance.

 

[staniswin]

He's only 23 and has barely played. Fellaini leaving and us giving opportunities to Pereira instead can only be good for his development. Not every player is ready at 18/19 years of age. I think he is being played far too deep and I would like to see him used as Pogbas backup as a midfielder with license to get forward instead of being a deep playmaker where he is recycling possession.

If we had been playing bett

It was in response to a post saying McTominays shown more for us which might be true but Pereira’s barely had a chance here. I think people should be reminded of some of the things he’s got in his locker.
Andreas is 23, but he’s had a motley couple of years and it’s easier for young attackers to break through than midfielders who often only move deeper with age. Scholes didn’t move into midfield until the age of 23 and he had a couple of years experience of the league before that. Zidane joined Juve at the age of 24 I think, Modric was 23 when he joined Tottenham and started out playing on the wings I believe.
If the club believes in him there would be ways to blood him in but at this point of time, sorting out Andreas Pereiras future will be very low priority on our ’to do list’.

It is all confirmation bias in here. Some seem to be desperate for him to fail just to prove a point. He has played very few minutes in an unfamiliar team since August, so it is understandable that he had a not-so-good performance in what was a tough a game for us. Why shouldn't he get more chances when other players get loads to prove themselves and to get themselves into form? Because he was not signed for big money, or because some are just desperate to see him fail? He has got the talent, just needs the time and it is amazing that some can't wait to confirm their biases after one or two games - bashing him and completely ignoring context.

Now the angry mob has hopefully subsided, let's acknowledge that young players will only ever develop if you give them chances, and accept they will make mistakes. It has always been this way, and will always be this way. Let's also accept that different players mature at different rates. I think it is easy to see that there is a talented player in there, whether he'll make it at the top is anyone's guess; but we'll never know unless we give him chances. And isolated games here or there do not count. The lad has barely played any football this season, and he's thrown into a game in the middle of the season and expected to perform at a high level. I wouldn't be surprised if he was shitting bricks.

This thread doesn't even really need to be about Andreas. This thread is really about the attitude we adopt to young players in general. It is in our club's ethos to promote youth from our academy, yet large swathes of our fan-base are incredibly quick to write them off. I think we need to grasp the key assumption that if they are getting a chance in the first team, then the coaches are seeing qualities in them that may not be immediately apparent to casual fans. When I think of the list of players that have come through and been written off by fans, often in the harshest of terms, only to go on and become valuable players, it is pretty discouraging.

Don't you guys understand what his main problem is ? it's not his lack of minutes, it's his physicality , if you aren't strong, at least you have to be fast, if you aren't fast, at least you have to be agile, if you aren't agile at least you have to be smart, his stamina is poor as well. Small and short player doesn't have to be weak, look at kante or scholes for example, even if scholes mistime his tackles he would make sure to clatter each one of them and was painful to deal with. He lacks any of those attribute,afraid to tackle, can't take on player, get outmuscled all the time, slow and timid, in conclusion, he doesn't scare anyone. Offensively he is limited, defensively he is non-existent, till he fix that main problem of him , no amount of minutes and experience could help.

 

[edcunited1878]

His ceiling or best comparison might be Harry Winks, although Winks is a very capable squad player which you cannot say about Andreas. Andreas also hasn't been in a system or consistent role compared to Winks, thus Winks is clearly rated higher.

If Andreas turns out to be Winks, then fine. A borderline starting XI player but can never see Spurs winning the league with Winks starting alongside Sisokko or whoever. Eriksen makes that team tick with Son and Kane though.

 

[Loublaze]

There's no angry mob. It's just accepting he's at a pretty poor level and there's nothing special about him. Is there a remote chance in hell that he actually will develop later on?
Yeah maybe but there are dozens of other potential top players waiting for their chance and it's disrespectful to them to be giving Pereira starts.
If he "matures" at 26, that's not something we can accept. Time to cut loose and give the next crop a chance.

Which players are these that United are disrespecting by starting Pereira? Are they at United already or are you making a conjectural argument?