I can live with bad results but it's ruining and forcing out these young exciting players why I want Jose out.
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Could make something from those free kicks and corners today.. Why to ignore his weapons if nothing more is working?
He must've been looking forward to seeing his former teammates and looking forward to playing this game at OT and doesn't even make the bench. I don't know what else to say.
Is it poor training performances? discipline issue? attitude problem? hair? not listening to manager?
Not playing last time against Derby, nor even on the bench for that and this game, ahead of McT, who is not the right player for this game (both Fella and Matic is playing, don't need him).
Oh wait, nvm, we have a certain stubborn manager in charge.
Not playing last time against Derby, nor even on the bench for that and this game, ahead of McT, who is not the right player for this game (both Fella and Matic is playing, don't need him).
Oh wait, nvm, we have a certain stubborn manager in charge.
Actually thought he started the season well. One thing youth gives you is energy and urgency, which our 'starters' seem to be lacking.
Still laughing bro?
At the person subbed at half time, hell yeah
Get your facts right the next time u laugh to someone’s post
He should probably be looking to leave in January.
Get your facts right the next time u laugh to someone’s post
Which facts did I get wrong? Do you even know why I laughed?
Would love to see him as a false winger in a 442.
Our left side would obviously be our stronger side still but this allows us to have some sort of creativity on the right side without exposing our CM's.
Maybeee Lingard could also do this role but I think Andreas is alot more disciplined and would understand this role more.
I would love to see something like this deployed at home against a 'weaker' team. It'll be exciting to see 442 again and I believe something like this with a false winger system will be the only way we'd get it back.
Just a thought.
Alexis - Lukaku
Martial - Pogba - Fred - Andreas
Shaw - 2 Cb's - Dalot
De Gea
442 is prone to having the midfield overloaded/overun. Andreas would drop in to midfield and act as CM picking up the extra man. He has the skill and engine to do this role and think it would be much much better than what we are currently doing. Also Allows Alexis to play further forward where he should be imo and Martial in his favoured role as a LM not a LW as he drops deep to receive the ball and run at the RB.Martial - Pogba - Fred - Andreas
Shaw - 2 Cb's - Dalot
De Gea
Our left side would obviously be our stronger side still but this allows us to have some sort of creativity on the right side without exposing our CM's.
Maybeee Lingard could also do this role but I think Andreas is alot more disciplined and would understand this role more.
I would love to see something like this deployed at home against a 'weaker' team. It'll be exciting to see 442 again and I believe something like this with a false winger system will be the only way we'd get it back.
Just a thought.
I really do think he’ll be gone. No way would he be happy to be behind Mctominay in the pecking order. I haven’t seen Mctominay have as a good as Andreas against Leicester. The fall guy for the Brighton game. Shame as his such a talent.
Criminal he didn’t get any minutes against Derby. Lukaku starts that game ffs.
Criminal he didn’t get any minutes against Derby. Lukaku starts that game ffs.
He needs to leave for his own good. It is time for him to continue to develop and prove his worth elsewhere. I doubt Jose will give him plenty of chances. Andreas will consider his options in January, I am sure.
That would be fun. Can shift into a 4-3-3 quite easily.
Also I love how we’ve as a group given up on naming individual CBS like oh feck it whoever.
I hope he waits it out and Mourinho leaves before he does. Our midfield should be Periera, Fred and Pogba.
Not sure if we can fit both Pereira and Fred, but it should be at least one of them plus a more defensively astute player. Having two of Matic, Fellaini and McTominay (or even all three) is stupid.
It shouldn't be. That'd be terrible defensively.
I agree
Couldn't be any worse
He had one bad game and now will never play for Jose again. Yet Lukaku stinks up Old Trafford week after week and never misses a minute of any game. Is it any wonder half this squad has had enough of Mourinho?
So there couldn't possibly be any other reason why he isn't in the team? Unfathomable to think so? I'm a big fan of the lad but this reasoning, that if Jose does anything you disagree with it's because he's an arsehole, is getting exhausting. Might just be that he thinks it's OK to piss off from OT before the end of the game, or he might be one of those attitudes Jose had been alluding to, and as he's nowhere near as important to the team as Pogba, he can't get away with it.
It's this though - any player that isn't his type of player gets linked to a bad attitude due to Jose's views on things. It's so see through & fragile that it turns up at every club.
He thens turns it up on media day only to be act frustrated when the media focus on his own attitude
Jose has a strict strategy & type of player he wants - this includes how much lungs they have, how experienced they are, how much they weigh, how tall they are and so much more.
His need to play this one type of football cuts his ability to get the best out of the players of this world by a strict half or more & it's usually players that fans are excited to see because they are able to do something different. The last thing Jose wants is different & he prefers more of the same.
Attitude,age, lungs & height & strength - is Jose's football; I don't know why we should suddenly expect Pereira to be dropped because he has gone clubbing on the day we lost when he already does not meet so much of that criteria.
If he falls out with one player, fine.
But he’s fallen out with half of the squad. The exact same thing happened at Chelsea, and at Madrid. But if course it’s never his fault, it’s just that every player in the game has problems.
As the saying goes, if it smells like shit everywhere you go, maybe you should check under your own shoe.
I think we should give Pereira a go at playing the furthest forward out of the 3 centre midfielders, an advanced no.8/10 role. He has a Coutinho feel about him which is encouraging, we all know how good Pereira's long shots can be, he's a good dribbler too and has the ability to keep the ball in the tight spaces in the final third.
Martial - Sanchez - Lukaku
Pereira
Pogba .
Fred/Matic
Shaw - Smalling - Bailly - Dalot
De Gea
I think this starting XI should be given a decent run of all playing together without any changes to it, the one thing we've severely lacked under Mourinho is a consistent starting XI and I think that's been a contributing factor to some player's inconsistency ie Martial, Bailly. With Martial and Lukaku playing wide forwards and Sanchez a false nine, Pereira could be the one connecting the triangles better between the three players in attack. We haven't had anyone playing that position properly for so long.Pereira
Pogba .
Fred/Matic
Shaw - Smalling - Bailly - Dalot
De Gea
What do you mean by lungs ? Fitness ?It's this though - any player that isn't his type of player gets linked to a bad attitude due to Jose's views on things. It's so see through & fragile that it turns up at every club.
He thens turns it up on media day only to be act frustrated when the media focus on his own attitude
Jose has a strict strategy & type of player he wants - this includes how much lungs they have, how experienced they are, how much they weigh, how tall they are and so much more.
His need to play this one type of football cuts his ability to get the best out of the players of this world by a strict half or more & it's usually players that fans are excited to see because they are able to do something different. The last thing Jose wants is different & he prefers more of the same.
Attitude,age, lungs & height & strength - is Jose's football; I don't know why we should suddenly expect Pereira to be dropped because he has gone clubbing on the day we lost when he already does not meet so much of that criteria.
Work rate including fitness
That means Matic must have excellent atittude I guess
Does anyone think that Herrera can do Matic's job and be a holding mid? Also as for Pereira, what about at right wing? Sanchez at this point is a sub to me.
Well that's what I mean - even if he doesn't - he covers the strength and height of Jose's criteria. Pereira offers almost nothing that Jose cries out for but rings a bell with what the fans want.
Everytime a player misteriously get frozen by Jose one way or another, people such as yourself come up with this rethoric that they have attitude problems even if they don't have any such history.
I've seen it said about Shaw, Martial, Pogba, Mhki, Perreira now, etc.
Just like you're lamenting the poster you replied to presumption about reasons why Perreira isn't being played, you're doing the same. You're trying to present your anecdotal thinking as some sort of facts.
@El ZoidoIt's this though - any player that isn't his type of player gets linked to a bad attitude due to Jose's views on things. It's so see through & fragile that it turns up at every club.
He thens turns it up on media day only to be act frustrated when the media focus on his own attitude
Jose has a strict strategy & type of player he wants - this includes how much lungs they have, how experienced they are, how much they weigh, how tall they are and so much more.
His need to play this one type of football cuts his ability to get the best out of the players of this world by a strict half or more & it's usually players that fans are excited to see because they are able to do something different. The last thing Jose wants is different & he prefers more of the same.
Attitude,age, lungs & height & strength - is Jose's football; I don't know why we should suddenly expect Pereira to be dropped because he has gone clubbing on the day we lost when he already does not meet so much of that criteria.
We have visibly seen the manifestation of this though. It's plain he left the stands early for the loss against Derby, and it's plain from the images on Instagram he was laughing and joking with Pogba during that humiliating loss. Is that acceptable behaviour? We've also had it suggested in various sources that he is one of the players firmly on the "Pogba side" of the divide.
Now there is no denying Jose is a polarising figure, and will rub many players up the wrong way, but that shouldn't be an excuse to invalidate any of his concerns, particularly when we have evidence to support it.
As I've said, I'm a bit fan of Periera and I'd be delighted if he made it at the club, but that doesn't mean I'm going to close my eyes and cover my ears.
What is this?
No I'm presenting my anecdotal evidence as a possible example. You know, as opposed to the usual rhetoric that Jose is an evil bastard that's destined to grind our club into the ground. Sometimes, you have to cast the players in roles outside of pantomime villains and white knights. Sometimes people you like do things wrong, and people you dislike do things right. Your immediate assumption, and that of the poster I responded to, is Jose is in the wrong.
He and Pogba left early for the defeat against Derby, and Pogbas Instagram posts show the both of posing for selfies during the game, seemingly quite indifferent to what was unfolding before them. All made up though, apparently.
I agree completely. Hopefully it's something based on attitude that Jose decides not to play Perreira (who should seriously ask for a transfer request in January) and not football.
Well yea it is made up because you have no idea where they left to. You're acting like they headed home early to miss the traffic while logical reasoning says they went down to the dressing room as they would have been instructed to. Do you work for the Sun or something? No surprise only absolute shit papers reported on such a thing. There is 0% chance they just decided to pop off home early.
All the more laughable when you realize our manager is famously known for heading to the dressing room before the half is over.
Just them two, hey? They were also instructed to post shitty selfies on Instagram while our team was getting spanked by Derby I presume? feck me some posters will do anything to defend a player they like against the big bad Jose. It's the mindset of children.
I'm not sure if you're serious. With a straight face, you genuinely believe they just decided to head off home early? There is no way you are that stupid. I know you aren't that stupid so you have to be trolling or something.
Just them two? How many players do you think are in the stands? There is no doubt Shaw also went down early, just as every player will do.
Pretty sure we weren't losing when they took the video and who gives a feck about insta. Mourinho apologized about the mix up in timing so its a non-issue. If they left early then they would have argued about that too not a misunderstanding about the timing of an insta post.
I haven't criticized Mourinho here at all. The only child here is you who somehow believes players just went home early. That is mind boggling.
Mou doesn't play him because he feels he doesn't fit a system and he's not so good he can't be left out. Fellaini has also been good and hasn't deserved to lose his spot. Nothing to do with popping off home early. I can't believe anyone genuinely believes that.
And he possibly does have attitude but its something we have no chance of knowing about and has nothing to do with heading home early because he just flat out didn't go home early.
Alright, I'll amend it to leaving his seat before the end of the game, seeing as you're relentlessly stuck on me saying he went home.
Oh you have the full transcript of their day, do you? I'd love for you to share it.
And finally we come to the crux of this ridiculously elevated conversation. He could POSSIBLY have an attitude problem, which is all I suggested. And yet here you are, outraged at that very suggestion. You're right. The mind boggles.
Exactly, I think it would work too given how we tend to dominate possession and yes i cba with naming CB's its different every week
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