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People had the nerve to give him stick for heading to Valencia last season in search of game time. What a massive waste of time this season is for him.
22 year olds should be playing football every week.
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People had the nerve to give him stick for heading to Valencia last season in search of game time. What a massive waste of time this season is for him.
22 year olds should be playing football every week.
Heart sinks when i see McT in the squad.
Yep. Matic and Herrera should be rotating for the more defensive role, with Perreira and Fred rotating for the other spot (with both of them for the occasional match to rest Pogba).
The managers obsession with height over technical talent is a continued issue and I can see Pereira leaving in January, he's never going to get a chance under this guy.
Its actually funny, probably not for him tho.
I haven't said he should be in the starting 11. Mourinho would prefer bringing someone like McTominay on, to see out a game rather than Pereira. That is all.
He should go on loan on January. He's really talented and is wasting his time not even on the bench.
Why do you seem surprised?
Most of the objection to him going to Valencia centred around the fact that a season playing right wing there was going to set him back at United precisely because he could and should have been being integrated into the squad last year rather than this one.
He's having the season now that he should have had last year, and that's entirely his fault. It might have been a gamble worth taking if he could demonstrate that he was so good he was a no brainer to be picked, but he wasn't particularly impressive after a promising enough start and ended up not getting as many minutes as he probably would have liked.
It was a bad loan and a waste of time which is why so many were against it in the first place.
I can see him never playing for a club near United’s level again.
Aye. Fred and Sanchez are just big lumps.
If he leaves he'll obviously join a lower level side. Genuinely believe he's good enough to show the kind of form to get him back at elite level though.
This is the most ridiculous point ever. Last season he would over played about 10 games, at Valencia he was involved in over 20 and in a team that finished in the top 4. Jose is too obsessed with Mctominay, rates him more because he may see out the game to his specific instructions, there really is no logic to it. Saying that he is having the season he should of had last year is silly. He is miles ahead of mctominay in terms of development games and minutes. He played brilliantly in pre season, started the season well and gained a first international call up. Since then, he has no nowhere to be seen.
Sanchez isn't a CM and I swore I wouldn't reply to you again you're a troll, but no coach of a top team would put McTominay on the bench when he has a player like Pereira at his disposal, that's the point, nearly every other big side in Europe operates without the need to have some lump on the bench to toss balls up to as a plan B.
I'm the troll
If you want to talk specifically about our midfield, then you might want to use the word "midfield." Fred and Ander are midfielders though, both of whom played today and neither fit your imaginary criteria.
I'm the troll
If you want to talk specifically about our midfield, then you might want to use the word "midfield." Fred and Ander are midfielders though, both of whom played today and neither fit your imaginary criteria.
Yes, you are.
Ander is 6 foot tall, point stands, there's no way McTominay should be on the bench over Pereira and wouldn't be if Jose wasn't using him as a pawn.
I mean... Whats a lower level side than us at the moment? We're 7th best team in the league at the moment.
Valencia wanted to keep him but seemed to be put off by the finance side of things. At this point in time they probably arent a lot worse than us. But I would imagine that a decent team that play much better football than we do would be happy to take him
Which is why he rightly left on loan. 4 games entering November wouldn’t have been enough last season either.
No footballer has ever improved and embraced the professional game by sitting in the stand.
Fair enough WUM.
He's 5ft 11.
No, the point doesn't still stand. If Jose just wants lumps in midfield, then Herrera or Fred wouldn't have played. It's OK to be unhappy that Peirera isn't getting game time and not just link it to some bullshit theory that can be proven wrong with 5 seconds of critical thinking.
I'm not a WUM, I told you I wanted nothing more to do with you, yet you have quoted me more than once since then, digging for a reaction, which I have given you today, and I shouldn't have
He's 6 foot according to his wiki page.
Mourinho has a choice between a technically talented CM or a big lump CM who offers next to nothing on the ball, and chooses the latter because he must have some height on that bench as an option, other top clubs wouldn't have managers that prioritize that way, so yes, the point stands.
Here's a plan. If you stop talking bullshit, I'll stop quoting you.
According to his Wiki page he's under 6ft, sometimes known as 5ft 11.
And he chose neither of them. He started our smallest midfielder - coming in at a monsterous 5ft 5 - over them both. That's in addition to our 5ft 6 CF and our 5ft 7 RW, and when Fred needed to come off, he replaced him with our 6ft 11 midfielder and replaced Mata with someone who is 5ft 7. The more you look at it, the more ridiculous your Ill-conceived rant becomes. The sort of thing a WUM would do...
He played around 1100 minutes, around 12 full games, in the league and was on the bench more often than not after January. When he played he played in a position that he already knew we had no intention of playing him in at United.
He traded one bit part role for another, and he didn't batter the door down with the time he got and prove that he was ready for more first team football here. As a result he came back in the same position as when he left the season before.
And yes McTominay is a good example. He's proof as a player, whether we agree with Mourinho's assessment of his ability or not, that remaining patient and impressing the manager when you get opportunities opens up more minutes for you. That could, and perhaps should, have been Pereira last year, but he was off playing on the right wing for Valencia and missed the opportunity.
I'm not disputing that a loan could have been the right move for him, but he certainly should have gone to a side who were going to play him in the position we saw him playing in, and he probably should have stayed in the country. Both would have been better for him than not playing very much football in a completely different role to his one here.
At any rate, he was inevitably going to have to come back and bide his time as a squad player and force his way in to the first team by impressing the manager here. I don't really see how the time spent in Valencia was so beneficial to him that he wouldn't have been better off trying to do that last year and being one year ahead of where he is now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ander_Herrera
Height 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in)
Not only a troll, but you can't read either, as far as the first part goes, the only bullshit artist here is you as the point is that Mourinho must have a big guy on the bench just in case and is sacrificing Pereira by putting McTominay on it over him, either you're just playimg dumb or you actually are as it's pretty easy to grasp that the point is McTominay only makes the bench ahead of Pereira because of his height, if you can't grasp that, I can't help you. So now you can reply with some snarky comment and win the internet, then go back under your bridge, as I wont be replying to you again.
1.82m = 5 feet 11.654 inch ergo, under 6ft. Do you enjoy being wrong or something? Nice Wumming though. You can apologise when you’re ready. This is all redundant though, trying to make out 6ft is massive for a midfielder is desperate to say the least.
He’s got McTominay on the bench because he wants someone who he can bring on to shore up the defence if needed. Rightly or wrongly he doesn’t trust the defensive side of Andreas. But no it’s an obsession, so much of an obsession that I’ve been able to give you several examples that show you’re talking out of your wumming arse. If you’re going to make something up to support your agenda, then at least make the effort to ensure there’s a modicum of truth in it.
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Would love to see him at the base of midfield again just for a couple of games. He sped up play when he did play.
Wasted a year of his development. Should be demanding a loan move in January
There is one other option...
Should be demanding to leave. Honestly, at this point he is getting fecked royally by Mourinho and unless Mourinho leaves, that will continue to be the case. He has so much potential and is getting completely wasted, similiar to Martial.
Mourinho has his little comfort zone and no matter how hard he tries he is never going to leave it. Unfortunately, that comfort zone no longer works for him.
Even if we ignored all the shorter players it is still laughable that people think once you hit the 5'-11 mark then you cease to have technical skills. Tell that to Pogba or any other player who isn't a fecking gnome
I see now we don't have Martial to complain about were looking for other excuses to cry.
I dont get it with Pereira. Or actually I dont get Mourinho and the clubs treatment of him.
I watched him quite a bit last year at Valencia. Played as a RW or even LW most of the times and had some mins as #10. Did not over- or underperform. Did OK I guess, but was far from some kind of success.
Then we decide to bring him back here and make him a part of the squad essentially as an understudy to Matic. We play him in the pre-season and the first game of the season as a #6, a position he never played in at Valencia or at United before.
It is really strange to me this.
I personally do not think he is United material to begin with. Good player of course, but not the level to heighten our midfield squad.
I just dont get the purpose why we brought him back.
(And yeah, he is better then Scott McT... which is another strange squad decision this year)
I watched him quite a bit last year at Valencia. Played as a RW or even LW most of the times and had some mins as #10. Did not over- or underperform. Did OK I guess, but was far from some kind of success.
Then we decide to bring him back here and make him a part of the squad essentially as an understudy to Matic. We play him in the pre-season and the first game of the season as a #6, a position he never played in at Valencia or at United before.
It is really strange to me this.
I personally do not think he is United material to begin with. Good player of course, but not the level to heighten our midfield squad.
I just dont get the purpose why we brought him back.
(And yeah, he is better then Scott McT... which is another strange squad decision this year)
It's nonsensical, it's jibberish, it's Devil May Care.
How can you take anyone seriously after so many embarrassing posts. "If we sign player x, I'll stop supporting United" like anyone gives a feck about an attention seeking (insert Portguese expletives here)
Pathetic.
why are you replying to my post? I told you that I didn't want anything to do with you. I don't care that I am on a forum I want to be able to dictate who can reply to me despite my lies, hypocrisy and general feckwittary. Despite all that, I also reserve the right to cry that "I am not being allowed an opinion" even though I am the one doing that very thing.
Sums them all up.
Surprised he hasn't had any chances to play since the first three games tbh, I think he could be a really good player for us. But I don't think he can play in matic's position.
He doesn't have the discipline and spends lots of time out of position due to his pressing, which I like, but unless you all do it. It’s useless and leaves us exposed. Think he will get some chances soon though and jury is out to see if he can adjust to what mourinho wants.
He doesn't have the discipline and spends lots of time out of position due to his pressing, which I like, but unless you all do it. It’s useless and leaves us exposed. Think he will get some chances soon though and jury is out to see if he can adjust to what mourinho wants.
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He really should get more minutes imo. Dont know what Jose is thinking but to put McT before him is a joke
Yeah Fred, Sanchez and Mata are all well renowned for their height
.Maybe just maybe he’s a tad overrated on here. A bit part player @ Valencia equates to should be getting regular game time @ United. Yes he had a good preseason, but it means very little.
He’s made more appearances than Scott! So hardly behind him.
Yeah Fred, Sanchez and Mata are all well renowned for their height
Maybe just maybe he’s a tad overrated on here. A bit part player @ Valencia equates to should be getting regular game time @ United. Yes he had a good preseason, but it means very little.
God, you pro-mourinho guys are so blinkered.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why-did-we-buy-fred.442354/
Mata has only played 580 minutes and not even mourinho is dumb enough to drop sanchez because of height.
It's not just height, its height, strength, running around like a mad man and whatever agenda mourinho want to promote now.
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