People need to read jb's post on the previous page.He reflected quite as accurate as you can find picture of what is happening.
Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances
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He's still too young for a loan at the start of this season and we wouldn't loan out players in the last 6 months of their contract that's why he's not going out on Jan.Plus foreign players usually don't get loaned out that often (for example Vermijl had 3 years in the U21s before he got loaned out,same for Petrucci,Eikrem and Ekangamene never got loaned out either).There might be other reasons such as LVG see it more beneficial to let him stay and train with the first team instead.
He might not be a wonderkid but still one of the best if not the best talents in our U21s currently.If we can keep him obviously we should keep him.
Probably money and playing time.
If he has rejected our offer then more fool him.
In our entire history there have been hundreds of youth players coming through the ranks.
Managers and coaches make a call on who is going to make it and who isn't. They see them in training every day and make judgements on their skill, temperament, work ethic, maturity, potential and how they might fit into a certain team or play in a certain style.
Depending on all these factors, they are then offered a contract within the pay/wage structure that exists within the club. This is exactly the same as most businesses in the world.
Players can choose to accept the contract or not. Many reasons exist because of this as we all know…playing time, money, agents input and so on.
In 99% of cases United have been proved to be correct with their decision making. Only a handful of players being released have gone on to actually be international stars and worthy of reconsideration.
In effect, people at United know what they are doing, even if to us on the outside some of the decisions don't seem to make sense. Personally, I don't understand why Tom Thorpe hasn't been given a chance. Alternatively, Pereira has done little in my eyes to warrant all this hype. Everyone sees potential differently and there have only been a handful of players in my lifetime that I would call 'certs'. All the others are 'maybe's'.
At the end of the day a club can't offer game time to every young potential player. A club can't meet every wage request. A club can't meet every agents contract demands.
That is why young players like Pogba, Pereira, and many others have moved on.
Good luck to them.
The bottom line with our club is that if a young player is good enough, is patient enough and has all the qualities described above he will get a chance and make it at Manchester United.
Managers and coaches make a call on who is going to make it and who isn't. They see them in training every day and make judgements on their skill, temperament, work ethic, maturity, potential and how they might fit into a certain team or play in a certain style.
Depending on all these factors, they are then offered a contract within the pay/wage structure that exists within the club. This is exactly the same as most businesses in the world.
Players can choose to accept the contract or not. Many reasons exist because of this as we all know…playing time, money, agents input and so on.
In 99% of cases United have been proved to be correct with their decision making. Only a handful of players being released have gone on to actually be international stars and worthy of reconsideration.
In effect, people at United know what they are doing, even if to us on the outside some of the decisions don't seem to make sense. Personally, I don't understand why Tom Thorpe hasn't been given a chance. Alternatively, Pereira has done little in my eyes to warrant all this hype. Everyone sees potential differently and there have only been a handful of players in my lifetime that I would call 'certs'. All the others are 'maybe's'.
At the end of the day a club can't offer game time to every young potential player. A club can't meet every wage request. A club can't meet every agents contract demands.
That is why young players like Pogba, Pereira, and many others have moved on.
Good luck to them.
The bottom line with our club is that if a young player is good enough, is patient enough and has all the qualities described above he will get a chance and make it at Manchester United.
I dont blame him, when you are 3-0 up with 10 min left, and bring on Fletcher instead of Pereira who is desperate for a chance, then ye eventually the bomb snaps.
Midfielder in talks with Manchester United, move looks likely but not nailed on
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/midfielder-in-talks-with-manchester-united
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/midfielder-in-talks-with-manchester-united
Yep. Also didnt give him a run out against Yeovil or in either Cambridge game.
Why? We haven't given him a chance and if he looks across to Juve, he'll see Pogba - who made the same move - now ripping it up and being touted as a future Ballon d'Or.
While he will see that, I think if he has half a brain, he will also know he isn't half the player Pogba was/is. Yes, he could turn into a great player one day but Pogba is set to become one of, if not the best in the world.
I really wouldn't be too fussed if we lost this lad really. He's good but nowhere near Pogba/Morrison level when they were the same age. He'll have a good career I just don't really care if he leaves to go abroad and doesn't come back to haunt us.
As has been said before there is a lot of revisionism going on with Pogba on here. When Pogba was playing for our reserves he wasn't even one of the teams best players. He showed glimpses of what he could do and he was clearly the most talented player in the team but he just wasn't consistently performing as well as he could. There were plenty of people that were saying his performances for the reserves didn't warrant his inclusion in the first-team. You could replace "Pogba" with "Pereira" in the above sentences and it would perfectly describe Pereira's current situation. He is clearly our under 21's most talented player but just needs to be more consistent (something he has improved on this season).
Like with Pogba, I do feel Pereira has been very harshly treated in terms of the chances he has been given in the first-team. They were/are both very talented and deserved/deserve more chances with the first-team.
However, to suggest that Pereira wasn't half the player Pogba was is just wrong. Pogba was the more talented when at Pereira's age but there wasn't that much in it. People are just spouting that nonsense because they are safe in the knowledge that he has become one of the world's best midfielders so they assume he must have been much more talented than Pereira. As someone who has watched them both play for the reserves/under 21's I can tell you that wasn't the case.
I don't think he's as good as that to be honest.
Nowhere wear as good I don't think.
His situation is different than Pogba's
Agree.Plus saying Pereira is no loss because he's nowhere near Pogba is like saying Gary Neville was no loss because he's no Cafu/Carlos.If a player has potential to be good enough for us, it's a loss regardless.
Agree.Plus saying Pereira is no loss because he's nowhere near Pogba is like saying Gary Neville was no loss because he's no Cafu/Carlos.If a player has potential to be good enough for us, it's a loss regardless.
Totally agree, Pogba wasnt very consistent but both were clearly the most talented in their generation. Pogba more talented than Pereira but some act as if he's some dross since these rumours.
Can't knock your opinion but I can truly sit here and say that I felt Pogba would be one of the best in the world watching him years ago. Nothing to do with consistency, simply just as a footballer. I see Pereira making it as a very good footballer somewhere. And that is not a criticism but in regards to the very top bracket of players, I don't think he comes close to Pogba.
He's one of our own!
Good to see he hasn't been frozen out of first team training - that may be good news that the contract is close to being signed.
I reckon he'll most likely still be leaving but good to see him in training. Might be on the bench in the cup game. Shame we got knocked out of the league cup when we did as he probably would have played a few more games in that competition.
How high is his ceiling? Would people be as outraged if he left like Pogba because we knew his potential was high?
Personally I wouldn't blame him but nor would I also blame LvG, but I do wish Andreas Pereira had a little bit more understanding. Yes, he's playing well. Yes, he deserves it so his frustration is undertandable. But we are in a crucial stage where every game is practically a cup final and although he does have the potential, it's a gamble at the moment and I feel we've wasted too much time gambling on Falcao to now accommodate an inform U21 player some playing time. Perhaps that's lack of faith but we cannot afford to play anything less than our best starting 11 at this crucial stage of the season.
I really do hope he does stay and he does get the opportunity he deserves next season but I cannot blame either party in this scenario.
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I missed this. It's made me optimistic. I hope he stays.
Hope he gets a run today now. Need to make him sign.
PL debut! Get in!
Get in Hoelgebaum!
Been lively, made some good challenges
Good to see him getting his PL debut, but By the time he came on rest of the team had basically stopped playing and he was playing wide right as a 2nd RB almost.
PereIn.
Looked lively. Difficult to make an impression in that type of match when we've won the game already.
Encouraging though that he's getting a run out.
Encouraging though that he's getting a run out.
Good to see him tracking back well, as said above the game was already decided but a great experience for him.
Nice to see him gets some PL mins, having been an unused sub so often in the first half of the season.
Nice to see him get on and made to feel part of the first team.
Was working his ass off, happy for the kid, hope it means that he'll actually stay.
Nice to see him come on, hopefully it may entice him to stay.
Could this appearance be the sign of the ongoing renewal talks? I hope so!
Shades of Pogba two years ago. Hoping for a better outcomes this time.
Good to see him get a cameo, more of the same please.
Definitely is a positive sign. Not sure what's changed behind the scenes but glad LVG gave him some minutes. Hopefully it means he will stay, as I think he could have a bright future as an 8 for us.
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