Apparently our corner conversion rate this season is the same as Arsenal’s.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
Andreas Georgson - New Set-Piece Coach
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You are Arsenal - they will be the same
Eh?
I'd rather score 5 goals from 30 shots than 1 goal from 6 shots.
Ok. Not sure what that has to do with what I posted though.
Isn't he no longer set piece coach? 
Isn't he no longer set piece coach?
Just making a joke out of your tagline
Think he might be a different kinda gooner
Will we ever sort out the set piece defending.
You need quite a few players in the box with good heading capability, especially strikers. None of our strikers are good in air for to be a reliable deflector during set pieces. If not strikers then at least midfielders. But I won't blame them as they are not inherently supposedly good in air. Defenders and strikers are. And we are handicapped. Second thing is physical strength when players push each other in the box. Not very important but strong physical midfielders supposed to mark opponent and dominate physically in the box during set pieces. We even lack that physicality in midfielders. So another weakness.
Same conversion rate isn't it? I.e. I'd rather have Arsenal's stats.
I’d rather be top of the table but what’s that got do with anything?
The point I was making is that we’re converting the same % of our corners as Arsenal, which is interesting/surprising to me. Considering the whole world is obsessed with how great Arsenal are at corners. And it’s even more interesting when you consider that we’ve been so terrible at them before we hired the guy this thread is about.
What does Andreas Georgson actually do?
“Andreas, I don’t want you to think of this as a demotion….I’ve already done that. Make yourself useful.”
You said
I'd rather have their stat even though the conversation rates are the same because they are getting the position more often which means more goals overall.
He's the snus dealer.
He’s a month to come up with a plan for Arsenal’s tactic of winning corners
He’s putting out the corner flags on the training pitch
You want a set piece coach to work on how to fake fouls and provoke corner kicks?
Provoke corner kicks? No. Number of corner kicks suggests you're doing some attacking. We're 13th in the league having scored 17 goals in 14 games. We haven't done a lot of scoring. Pogue suggested that Arsenal aren't actually that great seeing as they have the same conversion rate as us but I beg to differ as the higher volume of goals despite the same rate is a much better position to be in.
How many have we scored this season from set pieces? It doesn't feel like many.
"assistant to the set-piece coach" or "assistant set-piece coach?
I did nothing of the sort.
I implied that our set pieces are surprisingly good and have obviously improved a lot under our new set piece coach. I even fecking spelled that out for you in my most recent post!
I actually don’t know how good a 6% conversion rate is, in the grand scheme of things. Probably excellent?
So what does the set piece xG mean? We’re creating very few chances from set pieces but converting basically all of them?
Oh, you are talking about how good Arsenal are in general at scoring goals? I think you misunderstood @Pogue then. As he was writing about conversion rates in the context of corners, and in a thread named after our recent set piece specialist coach, I take what he said to mean that when particularily talking about setting up attacking set pieces, Georgson must have done a pretty good job seeing as we have the same conversion rate on corners/set pieces as one of the best teams in Europe at that part of the game in particular.
I agree with him. A set piece coach can do two things only: increase conversion rates on attacking set pieces and reducing opponent conversion rates at defensive set pieces. Georgson has been responsible for a seeming improvement in both, and statistics argue against the notion that United are generally poor at them anymore.
Seeing as Georgson has apparently been taken off set piece duties and we then struggle with Arsenals set pieces immediately afterwards, that may seem an even apter point.
A high conversion rate means very little with a small sample size of corners. Arsenal have been winning more corners than us due to their attacking ability and intensity.
I don't have the stats off hand but I'm guessing it means we just create a bunch of relatively low quality chances and some of them go in. Like the goal Rashford scored vs Everton last week. Clearly a worked set piece routine and was going in even before Branthwaite's intervention but it's apparently 0.08 on xG i.e., a low percentage chance that relies on Rashford's quality in the finish. I genuinely can't even remember the other 4 we've apparently scored this season - I think De Ligt and Rashford scored from set pieces against Southampton where we worked a short corner to the center? But even then Rashford's goal there can't have been high xG.
This is in contrast to Arsenal, by far the biggest set piece xG on that chart, where Gabriel seems to practically head it in off the line. Or even Liverpool, where Van Dijk seems to get good headers on set pieces 2-3 times a game. Though that I think is also just a consequence of him being good in the air in a way none of our players are.
I have no idea why people keep obsessing about how many set pieces we win in a thread about a bloke whose only involvement is after the set piece has been awarded. Surely moaning about the lack of corners we win can be kept to the umpteen other threads about our poor play in general?
No, we need our usual random coach scapegoat!!! It’s a caf tradition at this stage
Bring him back!
Feels like we've conceded from a set piece every game since he was moved aside for one of Amorim's mates.
Deflected cross hardly his fault.
Since he's been demoted we have conceded 4 corner goals in 6 PL games. Why did Amorim have to mess with this? Clenching my arse at every set piece now.
Yeah, I've been really impressed with Amorim overall so far but can we please have a proper set piece coach.
Our set pieces have become notably worse under Amorim -
To the point where we are now an outlier in how bad we are at set pieces -
Thread title needs updating. He isn’t set piece coach anymore.
You mean a member of Amorim’s coaching staff?