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We should’ve have another with the De Ligt chance against Palace too. They’re definitely better already.
Also the JZ chance in the same game.
We should’ve have another with the De Ligt chance against Palace too. They’re definitely better already.
Rich people and in this case a rich club, seems to find ways to spend money. (The rich part comes with an asterisk, but yeah)Will always be baffled by this requiring a separate coach.
Manager and multiple assistants paid a fortune and they don't know how to work corners and free kicks?
It's all about getting that extra percentage on your opponents. Naturally, someone who has spent their entire career focusing on set pieces should give you that, rather than a set of coaches who have done a bit of everything.Will always be baffled by this requiring a separate coach.
Manager and multiple assistants paid a fortune and they don't know how to work corners and free kicks?
Will always be baffled by this requiring a separate coach.
Manager and multiple assistants paid a fortune and they don't know how to work corners and free kicks?
It's all about getting that extra percentage on your opponents. Naturally, someone who has spent their entire career focusing on set pieces should give you that, rather than a set of coaches who have done a bit of everything.
Your GP is a doctor, but if you need a diagnosis on a neurological issue, they'll defer to a neurologist - a specialist.
By that logic, absolutely no analogy "works" because they're never identical. The point of them is to draw comparisons on specific parts of two things that are obviously not identical.Not sure the analogy works as neuroscience is obviously very complicated and absolutely requires a higher paid, higher level individual. There's also very obvious evidence that using a neurologist for neurology works.
This is taking a corner.
If the highest paid member of the coaching staff, millions of pounds a year, doesn't know how to do it, it's a poor state of affairs.
Never mind there being no clear evidence a set piece coach even works.
You literally have to look at Arsenal and see their set piece coach jumping along with Arteta every time they score from a set piece to have clear evidence.If the highest paid member of the coaching staff, millions of pounds a year, doesn't know how to do it, defers to a lower paid member of staff, it's a poor state of affairs.
Never mind there being no clear evidence a set piece coach even works.
By that logic, absolutely no analogy "works" because they're never identical. The point of them is to draw comparisons on specific parts of two things that are obviously not identical.
You literally have to look at Arsenal and see their set piece coach jumping along with Arteta every time they score from a set piece to have clear evidence.
And at the top level, where the margin for error is very small, there is nothing wrong with looking for marginal gains. Ange probably is the only one to diss on having a specialist set piece coach and they have one of the poorest records among the big clubs in the PL for defending set pieces.
I'm too tired to continue trying to explain analogies to you, and you're too obstinate to try to learn, so let's leave it there.No there's a third option. An anology that works. Doesn't have to be identical. But does actually need to make sense.
So Arsenal are proof that set piece coaches work.
We've had set piece coaches for years and are rubbish at them.
How do you square that up?
Do you dispute this? I've just given one clear example, there probably might have been others.So Arsenal are proof that set piece coaches work.
We've had set piece coaches for years and are rubbish at them.
How do you square that up?
Do you dispute this? I've just given one clear example, there probably might have been others.
Did we have a specialist all these years? And were they highly rated specifically for set pieces before they came here?
It's the responsibility of both players and the coaches to be good at them but I don't see what's wrong with hiring a specialist.
I've already said its the responsibility of both the players and the coach to be good at them.I don't know how you can say its down to the set piece coach rather than having individual players who are just good at set pieces. I think that's impossible to say.
Swap Gabriel for Martinez. Swap Saka for Antony.
What happens to Arsenal's set pieces?
Yes we've had a set piece coach since 2021. Eric Ramsey came in under Ole. Poached him from Chelsea. We continued to be rubbish at set pieces.
We now have a new guy but its hard to see anything different other than having some taller players who are good in the air.
The delivery for sure is as bad as its always been.
There is a funny story about how Ferguson even scoffed at set piece practice at all when he came to United. Clayton Blackmore told how he forbid players spending time at it in training, until he one day let Bryan Robson ‘coach’ a corner kick tactic before a game and United scored twice.I don't think clubs necessarily need a set piece coach. Managers often want one and must belive they add value so why not? It can't hurt.
Without doing an immese amount of research it's difficult to assess their exact impact. Arsenal's coach came in around the same time Gabriel signed for them, and Saka who takes them emerged from the youth team. How do we figure out how much of if it is Gabriel being naturally great at attacking the ball in both boxes, Saka naturally having top delivery and how much is it something that their set piece coach brought to the table?
We might look at the De Ligt or Mazraoui signings in either box. De Ligt being good at attcking the ball too, Mazraoui being fairly tall for a full back. Amad is now playing more and taking some corners.
All for having one though if the manger wants one.
We scored from a corner yesterdayHim and Ugarte are two incomings which I am not too sure about.
I mean, our set-pieces seem to be worse than last year. There seems to be so much confusion and we wasted so much from set-pieces.
He survives the chop. Wonder how he'll fit in with the new lot.
We were looking dangerous from them in the first few games but I don't know how much of that is de Ligt coming in and actually knowing how to attack a corner unlike everyone else bar Casemiro. Our short corners are rubbish outside of the one against Southampton and need to be scrapped because everytime we try one it looks like the player receiving the ball is surprised we're doing it. Most of it seems to be our delivery to be honest, Bruno's corners are horrific for the most part. Far too straight and not enough whip on the ball.Well our set-pieces have been crap this season so I'm a little surprised that he's survived.
Do we ever have good set piece coaches? If we really want the best in that department then we need to rob Arsenals or Villas.Well our set-pieces have been crap this season so I'm a little surprised that he's survived.
We kind of already did.Do we ever have good set piece coaches? If we really want the best in that department then we need to rob Arsenals or Villas.
Yet we’re still bad at set pieces.We kind of already did.
Georgson was Arsenal's set piece coach before he left to pursue a short managerial stint in Sweden and Norway, as well as a year in Southampton that drastically improved their set pieces. I recommend reading about his work in Arsenal and Southampton, as it's seriously impressive.
He is widely considered one of the best set piece coaches in the world.
What answer are you actually looking for here? That he's actually crap and just fluked it at Southampton and Arsenal? Or are you just looking for things to be mad about?Yet we’re still bad at set pieces.
He survived the chop because we were a bit shite on that regard under Amorim. Perhaps his staff needed new blood.He survives the chop. Wonder how he'll fit in with the new lot.
Was just stating what’s the point in having a set piece coach. I don’t see us try any new routines. Half the time our set piece takers can’t beat the first manWhat answer are you actually looking for here? That he's actually crap and just fluked it at Southampton and Arsenal? Or are you just looking for things to be mad about?
I think we have improved considerably on both ends.Yet we’re still bad at set pieces.
Sometimes you have to pretend to be shit at them for a bit so that the opponent lets their guard down.Was just stating what’s the point in having a set piece coach. I don’t see us try any new routines. Half the time our set piece takers can’t beat the first man
That’s ongoing rate for United as wellЭ
On another issue, it took us almost 4 years to score from a direct freekick.
Was that Bruno? Seem to recall he was a set piece monster.He survived the chop because we were a bit shite on that regard under Amorim. Perhaps his staff needed new blood.
On another issue, it took us almost 4 years to score from a direct freekick.
Nah, it was Pedro Porro in December 2020. Took us almost 4 years. Gyokeres scored a freekick last month.Was that Bruno? Seem to recall he was a set piece monster.
Alex Telles was also a set piece monster. Cant recall him scoring or assisting half as much for us like he did at PortoWas that Bruno? Seem to recall he was a set piece monster.
Bruno Fernandes has never been a set piece "monster". He's scored 10 in his entire club career, and 1 for us. That's not "monster" level for a 30 year old player.Alex Telles was also a set piece monster. Cant recall him scoring or assisting half as much for us like he did at Porto
I was also referring to corners.Bruno Fernandes has never been a set piece "monster". He's scored 10 in his entire club career, and 1 for us. That's not "monster" level for a 30 year old player.
Alex Telles is also not a free kick "monster", and even less so than Bruno. Up until 2022, he had 3 free kick goals in his career. He's scored a couple since then.
He has scored quite a few penalty kicks though, if you want to count that. You technically could, although you were definitely referring to free kicks.