As hard as it must be for the manager to see us conceding cheap goals all the time, we simply don’t have time on the training ground for extensive focus on set pieces. He’s busy coaching the team around the basics of possession and formations, and barely has enough time to cover all those. I suspect we’ll struggle with set pieces for a while longer, as even though it’s a glaring weakness, getting the foundations for our general play is going to soak up all our scarce training time.
Andreas Georgson - New Set-Piece Coach
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He needs to go.
Jesus Christ. I don't understand those axis though, are they not the same thing?
He needs to go.
The y access is the amount of goals opp scores from one attempt. The X axis is how dangerous every attempt verified by the xG of every attempt. We are worse at both.
Andreas as I understand is not the set piece coach anymore. Ok, whoever the set piece coach should be sacked.
Thank you.
How embarrassing. We’re all on our own down there.
He needs to go.
Is it the zonal Marking part that we struggle with. Do teams tend to defend set pieces better by going man to man?
Carlos Fernandez has been in charge of set pieces. You sometimes see him on the touchline next to Amorim shouting instructions. Georgson is no longer in the dugout.
We could have the best set piece coach in the world but as long as we're carrying so many short and physically weak players in the line up it's irrelevant.
Doesn't help when you buy a gigantic forward who is known to not be a good header of the ball and stick him in defence for corners. Part of it is tactical, however, its not a surprise that a team that seems to get physically run over time and time again struggles with the physicality of defending corners. Sometimes its less about the tactics and more about the desire to put your head where it hurts.
I think at this point it is worth trying something completely different to what we've been doing. I'd have less jitters seeing our best aerial players marking the biggest threats. I hate seeing Martinez or Rashford trying to take on a huge centre back, it's practically pointless.
Maybe he was just stopping it from getting really bad
He needs to go.
That is pure comedy
How shit this looks for us
He needs to go.
Yes, Carlos Fernandes is on them now, one of the staff members Amorim brought over from Sporting.
Georgson still here in some capcity, not sure what he's actually doing.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/i-felt-it-ruben-amorim-30642691
I noticed we had one or two more inventive set-pieces from an attacking point of view since Amorim took over on free kicks. That's the only positive. Defensively a shambles, attacking corners looking useless. Bruno hitting the first man all the time, but I think near post must be what he's asked to aim for.
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It's really not, as we've been far worse with set pieces despite having mostly the same players as last season.
We are a massive outlier on that graph, there is absolutely no reason why we should be there and so far away from every other team. Just to be hovering around the middle would be a huge improvement
Is it really that hard to coach someone to be decent in the air and then tell him just to mark one of the opposition in the area?
Put the big guys on the big guys and the small ones on the small ones and teach them how to jump and head a fecking ball!
Everything is so fecking hard these days
Put the big guys on the big guys and the small ones on the small ones and teach them how to jump and head a fecking ball!
Everything is so fecking hard these days
This whole thing is a bit bizarre how suddenly set pieces are basically like conceding penalties for us now. It'll end up becoming a mental thing too, you heard how much the opposition gets loud when they win a corner, its seemingly amplified due to how shite we are defending them.
The problem isn’t just the size of the players, is also the mentality. United have a squad full of primadonnas not willing to get hurt to defend on a corner. Also Onana staying in the goal is a big disadvantage.
Casimero saved us so many times from both ends last season. So in reality it's a combo of both, good training and the right players. With games coming thick and fast, some of the players will go back to old habits without it being trained out of them and I guess , some will not make it all as they lack game intelligence, no matter the amount of training they continue to have brain farts on the pitch.
Is it really that hard to coach someone to be decent in the air and then tell him just to mark one of the opposition in the area?
Put the big guys on the big guys and the small ones on the small ones and teach them how to jump and head a fecking ball!
Everything is so fecking hard these days
You’re right, they’re making basic defending sound so scientific. There’s no secret to Arsenal’s set piece success - it’s about the delivery and a big man getting across the front post. As simple as it sounds for a footballer to do, most can’t put a dead ball on a sixpence like, say, Rice can. In terms of defending set pieces you’re not going to achieve 100% success rate obviously but there’s no obvious advantage either way to a ball coming in the box, it’s 50/50 and surely tracking your runner, watching the ball and timing your challenge is just part and parcel of being a defender.
We were terrible on set pieces last season too.
A set piece coach does not make that much difference to the basics.
He can't make the likes of Martinez, Amad, Malacia, Bruno, Ugarte, Mainoo, Garnacho taller and stronger. He's not going to change Onana to be more commanding. Hojlund, Zirkzee and Rashford aren't going to suddenly become better than useless in the air.
If we have Maguire, Casemiro, De Ligt and Evans on the pitch at the same time we'll be better on set pieces than when they aren't.
Conceded 14 in the league last season from set pieces. We're on 9 this season and not halfway through
Last season wasn't good, but we weren't as bad as we currently are.
I just refuse to believe that our collection of players is so uniquely, naturally bad at this that we're that far behind everyone else. It would be staggeringly coincidental for that to be the case. Everything can be coached to a certain degree, and I'd expect set pieces to be one of the more coachable aspects of football.
We had Casemiro, Varane and McTominay playing significant minutes last season. We've replaced them with players weaker in the air.
Surely we can get 3/4 players taking 20 corners apiece and aim for the middle of the goal in training every session. Some will occasionally be short or long for variation. As it stands we can’t even take a corner and beat the first man half the time.
Amad sent in some incredible deliveries the last match.
Call a spade a spade, Bruno.
I'm pretty sure all those go down as chances created by the way.
This guy has been doing a shit job then
He isn't in charge of set-pieces any more. It's currently being handled by Amorim's assistant.
Spot on.
Is that why he insists on taking every corner despite being terrible at them? Stat padding?
I often wonder if you can defend better by being bold. Stick Garnacho & Amad on the half way line with Bruno halfway. Have less players in the box to make some space for the goalie and bigger defenders. Try to win the ball and counter attack. It forces 3-4 players to stay back as well.
I forget which team but someone did that recently against Arsenal.
1. Coach couldn't be doing much worse.
2. Bruno's delivery are beyond disgraceful.
3. Our players are fannies and don't contest in the air.
4. Onana is one of the least commanding goalkeepers I've seen when defending set-pieces(especially corners).
2. Bruno's delivery are beyond disgraceful.
3. Our players are fannies and don't contest in the air.
4. Onana is one of the least commanding goalkeepers I've seen when defending set-pieces(especially corners).
What I will say is I saw some very good corners from Amad last time. Hope we can capitalize on that.
Crystal Palace. They left 3 players high up the field. Though it didn't seem to help much as Arsenal scored from a corner and also hit the bar from another one.
Nah, that's just you choosing to make your own narrative. Kind of weird to be honest.
What?