Andrea Belotti

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Has Miguel Delaney ever got anything right? Genuine question

Belotti seems a talent, but I'm not sure why so many people on here want more than one of Silva, Belotti, Griezmann etc. It'll only hinder Rashford and Martial.
 
Delaney doesnt have access to woodward the way ducker, ogden and herbert have. Thus hes just guessing or reporting on what agents pass him which is often nonsense.

I dont think belotti is on our list and if he is he isnt our first choice option for the position. Belotti is an excellent finisher but lacks pace. Isnt the biggest either. Not sure about his hold up play havent seen enough. Tbh if we are in the market for a second choice striker fox in the box type, (which i dont think we are) i would prefer gabbadini. Belotti isnt worth more than 40 euros.
 
I remember Miguel Delany as being on Philip de brun levels of inaccurate.
 
Raoul said:
You can't fault journos for passing along what they have heard from their sources. All of them do it.
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If you put your name on it, you're responsible for it. If he doesn't want to be judged for his sources, get some better sources. That's his job.
 
MadMike said:
I'm not convinced by Belotti yet. He does show some great attributes, don't get me wrong. But he's 23 and it's the first season where he's done well as a goalscorer, although admittedly he did play as a winger before as well.

I'd want to see him maintain this form over at least two seasons, before considering spunking silly money on him. All the other strikers we've been talking about, from Lacazette to Griezmann to Lukaku etc, have been producing the goods for at least 3-4 years in a row.

Torino would love for someone to "bite" and spend an exorbitant fee for him this summer. There's no guarantee he'll have another season like this and if he doesn't his value will plummet.
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He scored 12 in Serie B as a 20 year old and scored 12 last year so this is not completely out of nowhere. And 23 is not really old to break out as a striker. Since finishing is the most difficult skill to master sometimes it takes time. Diego Costa did not break out as a goal scorer until he was 25.
 
#07 said:
Ravanelli was very much world class, not as good as he was a Juve but he still scored a lot for Boro. That Boro team with him and Juninho was amazing.

Zola was also world class. His misfortune was being part of a generation of Italy #10s that included Baggio, Del Piero, Totti etc. Great player though.

I can't judge Belotti, not seen him play. He sounds like the 'killer' Jose has been looking for though. How long has he been scoring at the current rate? Is this a one season wonder thing or something deeper?
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And Emerson, what a fantastic trio of players. Always wondered why Juninho never got snapped up by a bigger team, wonderful player. Shame Robbo didn't get that team to work as a unit, everyone seemed to be focused on scoring and not so much on defending. Rav was a machine for them, one of the few Italians who was a success here.
 
His style and appearance reminds me more of Chewy Suarez than anyone else tbh.

Been watching Seria A a lot this year, especially Lazio (Sergej Milanković-Savić, Dušan Bašta, Filip Đorđević) and Torino (Adem Ljajić, Siniša Mihajlović) and can tell you that this Belotti lad is a real talent.

Aggressive, pacey, good finisher with both feet, very strong and good in the air for his size. That all being said he benefits greatly from Mihajlović's very attacking system, but he can't score a penalty for the life of him.
 
#07 said:
Ravanelli was very much world class, not as good as he was a Juve but he still scored a lot for Boro. That Boro team with him and Juninho was amazing.

Zola was also world class. His misfortune was being part of a generation of Italy #10s that included Baggio, Del Piero, Totti etc. Great player though.

I can't judge Belotti, not seen him play. He sounds like the 'killer' Jose has been looking for though. How long has he been scoring at the current rate? Is this a one season wonder thing or something deeper?
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Ravanelli wasn't WC at all. He was looked down by Juventus fans as being alot of work rate and little substance. In matter of fact, Lippi put him on transfer which allowed him to sign the technically superior Boksic. Vialli was one of the best strikers in his generation but at the time he moved to the EPL he was old. Zola was the best of the lot and I concede that in some ways he can be considered as WC. However he was still inferior to the players playing at no 10 in his era (Baggio, Del Piero and Totti)

I have very mixed feelings about Belotti. He's a small Serie A club player which might be a bit of a hit and miss if he leaves the Serie A or join a different league. It wouldn't be too much of a risk if we were spending little on him. However, Arsenal placed a 40m-60m offer last January and it was turned down. That's alot of money for a striker who has never played in the EPL and he had never played for a top club
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Has Miguel Delaney ever got anything right? Genuine question

Belotti seems a talent, but I'm not sure why so many people on here want more than one of Silva, Belotti, Griezmann etc. It'll only hinder Rashford and Martial.
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Rashford and Martial would destroy Serie A too; signing Griezmann makes sense, because he's a versatile, world-class player, but l don't think Belotti is worth while.

It'd be better to replace Zlatan's physicality with Mandzukic, or even Andy Carroll as a plan B from the bench, and let the wonderkids (because that's what Rashford and Martial are) develop naturally .
 
devilish said:
Ravanelli wasn't WC at all. He was looked down by Juventus fans as being alot of work rate and little substance. In matter of fact, Lippi put him on transfer which allowed him to sign the technically superior Boksic. Vialli was one of the best strikers in his generation but at the time he moved to the EPL he was old. Zola was the best of the lot and I concede that in some ways he can be considered as WC. However he was still inferior to the players playing at no 10 in his era (Baggio, Del Piero and Totti)

I have very mixed feelings about Belotti. He's a small Serie A club player which might be a bit of a hit and miss if he leaves the Serie A or join a different league. It wouldn't be too much of a risk if we were spending little on him. However, Arsenal placed a 40m-60m offer last January and it was turned down. That's alot of money for a striker who has never played in the EPL and he had never played for a top club
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I think that's unduly harsh on old silver hair. I always rated Ravanelli. That generation of Italian strikers with Signori, Vialli and the like. Was Boksic a better footballer? Maybe. Not a better goalscorer though. From memory he didn't last very long at Juve for that reason (could be wrong though, ain't checked the stats. I remember Boksic having a couple of seasons in the sun then being dumped for Inzaghi cos Juve wanted goals, and Boksic weren't no Davor Suker). Think you're being very harsh on Ravanelli. In a generation of really good centre forwards like Jean Pierre-Papin he was one of the best in the business. Maybe not Romario but easily one of the best Italy had to offer.

As mentioned before, I can't speak to Belotti's worth cos I haven't watched him play.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Delaney is a hack. Belotti's style of play is extremely interesting though. Not many with his power and aggression. I think he has the most headed goals in all leagues too, so physically he is well-made for the PL.
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For those who remember that far back - Belotti reminds me a lot of a more skilled version of David Hirst.
 
Belotti is 23 so young and ready to hit his prime, he's scored 27 in 33 games this season. Anyone saying he isn't good enough quite simply is making me scratch my head.

Griezmann just makes sense.

Do it Jose, unleash the Woody!
 
I've watched the video of all his goals this season and I've got to say based on that stupid celebration he keeps doing I don't want him. We already have the dab we don't need more.
 
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RMD83 said:
I've watched the video of all his goals this season and I've got to say based on that stupid celebration he keeps doing I don't want him. We already have the dab we don't need more.
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Quite right!

And while we're about it, don't sign anyone with a stupid haircut,fancy boots and tattoos
 
RMD83 said:
I've watched the video of all his goals this season and I've got to say based on that stupid celebration he keeps doing I don't want him. We already have the dab we don't need more.
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Fear the Rooster!!!! :D

Belotti is quite talented even if he plays like a bull in a china warehouse. But the kind of prices Urbano is coming up with, he is either going senile at 60 or is high from sniffing baking flour.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He scored 12 in Serie B as a 20 year old and scored 12 last year so this is not completely out of nowhere. And 23 is not really old to break out as a striker. Since finishing is the most difficult skill to master sometimes it takes time. Diego Costa did not break out as a goal scorer until he was 25.
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12 goals in Serie B as a 20yo is nothing amazing, mate. Other 20yos did that at top tier level at the same age.

He scored 6 goals in his first year in Serie A at 21yo , 12 in his second at 22yo. These are decent stats but nothing overly impressive. He's done extremely well this season only, but the prices being quoted are for a player that's been doing that year in year out and that's not the case with him. In the current market I'd say he might be worth £30m maybe even £35m. But for prices above that, you might as well go for a player that has a more proven pedigree and consistency.

Like I said, if he stays at Torino for another year and, considering the quality of the surrounding team, only manages 15 goals for the season (which is still very very respectable) his price will plummet compared to the prices being quoted now. Torino don't want to take that risk. They want to sell now when his stock is very high. Urbano is looking for an idiot that will bid £50m (€60m+) for him and he'll bite the bidder's hand off with it.
 
He looks impressive. Strong and physical but also no slouch and has a decent touch. The age thing doesn't bother me sure didn't Drogba only have his breakthrough season at 24 for Marseille? I've only seen a 6 minute compilation video but I'm sold make him our Drogba Woody :drool:
 
Belotti is yet another forward player that came through Palermo. They've had some really decent ones in recent years: Dybala, Belotti, Cavani, Pastore and Vazquez. They clearly have an eye for good young players, especially from South America.
 
AP88 said:
Rashford and Martial would destroy Serie A too; signing Griezmann makes sense, because he's a versatile, world-class player, but l don't think Belotti is worth while.

It'd be better to replace Zlatan's physicality with Mandzukic, or even Andy Carroll as a plan B from the bench, and let the wonderkids (because that's what Rashford and Martial are) develop naturally .
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Mandzukic and Andy fecking Carroll (lol) are not better options than Belotti. You've clearly never seen him play if you don't think he's physical.
 
If we sign this guy and Griezmann, they will drive oppo fans nuts with their stupid goal celebrations, so I'm all for it.
 
GrandJury said:
Belotti is 23 so young and ready to hit his prime, he's scored 27 in 33 games this season. Anyone saying he isn't good enough quite simply is making me scratch my head.
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He scored 25 goals 30 league matches. That's good and impressive. But doesn't mean that he is "good enough" necessarily.

Mauro Icardi (24 years) scored 24 goals in Serie A. Why not sign him?

Timo Werner (21 years) scored 17 goals in 28 league matches in the Bundesliga - which is the more difficult league to score I would say. Why not sign him?

Lacazette (25 years) scored 24 goals in 27 league matches - and he has shown that he is not a one-season-wonder. Why not sign him?

Nicolai Jørgensen (26 years) has scored 21 goals in the dutch league and 11 assists.

My point is: Looking at statistics and watching youtube, Europe is full of upcoming superstars. But only a few perform at the highest level when they move to a club like Man Utd (more pressure, more attention,...). Maybe Belotti would, maybe not.
 
VorZakone said:
How many Italian strikers have fared well in the PL?
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There just havent been that many since the Serie A used to be the best when Italy had some absolute world class forwards. Del Piero, Totti, Rossi and even Inzaghi would have scored loads of goals in England. Some of the lesser rated Italian attackers during that time (Zola, di Canio) came to England and did fine.

Absolute shit Italian players like Borini or Balotelli (mental case) failed.
 
#07 said:
I think that's unduly harsh on old silver hair. I always rated Ravanelli. That generation of Italian strikers with Signori, Vialli and the like. Was Boksic a better footballer? Maybe. Not a better goalscorer though. From memory he didn't last very long at Juve for that reason (could be wrong though, ain't checked the stats. I remember Boksic having a couple of seasons in the sun then being dumped for Inzaghi cos Juve wanted goals, and Boksic weren't no Davor Suker). Think you're being very harsh on Ravanelli. In a generation of really good centre forwards like Jean Pierre-Papin he was one of the best in the business. Maybe not Romario but easily one of the best Italy had to offer.

As mentioned before, I can't speak to Belotti's worth cos I haven't watched him play.
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Ravanelli was a professional in and out of the pitch. He was very down to earth, with a decent eye to goal + he was extremely hardworking. As someone who was born and bred in the Italian school of football, he understood tactics very well and while other Italian strikers would stick to their role, Ravanelli's down to earth nature and workrate allowed him to drop deep and cover for those pockets of space left by an inexperienced Del Piero and an ageing Vialli. That proved instrumental in Juventus 1995-1996 superb season.

After that season, Juventus allowed Vialli to leave. With Vialli out of the team, Juventus felt that there was no need of a grafter such as Ravanelli. The white feather was cruelly shipped off to Middlesbrough against his wishes.

As said before Ravanelli wasn't WC. I believe he agree with that himself. Having said that, I do believe that it was a big mistake selling him and I would haved loved if United bought him up instead. Ravanelli would have been a Mark Hughes v2 for Cantona and a perfect partner/cover for Ole and Coley. At 28 he had more fuel in the tank then Teddy whom I believe to be a more intelligent player than Ravanelli but less effective.
 
So Belotti, Griezmann and Bernardo Silva...Hmm Its a bad sign of muppetitis that I'd still want Mbappe on top of those 3 :lol:
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Has Miguel Delaney ever got anything right? Genuine question

Belotti seems a talent, but I'm not sure why so many people on here want more than one of Silva, Belotti, Griezmann etc. It'll only hinder Rashford and Martial.
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Because Rashford and Martial are still very young and very raw, they aren't reliable goalscorers who can carry the attack and we need more than just 3 players upfront anyway.
 
I hope we don't sign him, could very well be a one season wonder that will completley fall flat when he makes the move to the PL.

Much rather have Lukaku who is more proven than this guy and has been a consistent goalscorer over his career unlike Belotti who only started scoring a decent amount for the first season ever in his career.
 
I dont want him if its the prices being touted tbh. If hes anything more than 36millionish imo we should pass on him, especially if we get Griezmann. 40 mill would be okay also, but I dont think we NEED him.


I agree he looks great and a great fit for the Pl though.
 
Reynoldo said:
So Belotti, Griezmann and Bernardo Silva...Hmm Its a bad sign of muppetitis that I'd still want Mbappe on top of those 3 :lol:
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Don't think it will happen, as i see it, griezmann is first choice with silva as backup with belotti most likely being considered as ibra replacement. Though i personally would prefer mbappe to belotti but can't see that happening unless one of martial or rashford is sold.
 
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