Andre Onana made another mistake. Ohnono.

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In my opinion he has a bit of credit in the bank with his performances this season and everyone can have a bad day so let us just see if he can put it behind him.
 
Yeah his form since the disastrous start and the CL run last season has mostly been good.

It was terrible timing to make a mistake like that, but he doesn’t strike me as a huge problem as of right now.

But, if like last season it starts a chain of inexcusable errors, then there is an issue.

In his defence, he needs to start playing without Lisandro in front of him asap, as he’s the biggest defensive liability in the Premier League who isn’t named Wout Faes. He won my heart in the first six months but I don’t think it would be unfair to suggest on form, he’s one of the worst CBs in top level football right now. There’s something every game, and it’s going to cost Onana more clean sheets.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Yeah his form since the disastrous start and the CL run last season has mostly been good.

It was terrible timing to make a mistake like that, but he doesn’t strike me as a huge problem as of right now.

But, if like last season it starts a chain of inexcusable errors, then there is an issue.

In his defence, he needs to start playing without Lisandro in front of him asap, as he’s the biggest defensive liability in the Premier League who isn’t named Wout Faes. He won my heart in the first six months but I don’t think it would be unfair to suggest on form, he’s one of the worst CBs in top level football right now. There’s something every game, and it’s going to cost Onana more clean sheets.
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Exactly. IMO, Martinez was at fault for the 1st and 3rd goals. He has not been the same player after the long term injury.
 
Have to think that everyone throwing Onana under the bus are just Bruno Fernandes's multiple forum accounts trying to deflect away from his part in the goal.

Onana has been good this season, but I guess with such fickle fans and the media loving to stick the boot in on United this reaction is to be expected. We'll see premier league keepers making much worse mistakes this season without all the "HOWLER" headlines on sky sports.

Let's just hope he's back focused for the next game.
 
Lentwood said:
Onana has been our best player this season, he made a mistake for the goal (as did Bruno and the CBs), but he has credit in the bank in my opinion
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Yeah, he has been our most consistent player this season, and the best GK in the PL the last 3/4ths of a year. Narratives and short term memories in combinations are the stuff of eternity, unfortunately.
 
It's official. We've become Everton.

Pickford is Everton's best player and he isn't a really good goalkeeper. Same case with us. That's how much we've fallen when we come to regard a goalkeeper as the best player in the team.
 
BulgarianDevil91 said:
I wouldn't even call that a mistake on his part. You can see the setup of the body of MGW, he's clearly shooting it to Onana's right. It's only because of his poor shot that the ball goes the other way and more centrally of the goal.
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It's absolutely a mistake on his part. There's something wrong with either his technique or decision making that allowed that slight deflection to catch him out. It's not like it went into the corner, the shot was still a saveable distance from his body
 
RedinIndia said:
It's official. We've become Everton.

Pickford is Everton's best player and he isn't a really good goalkeeper. Same case with us. That's how much we've fallen when we come to regard a goalkeeper as the best player in the team.
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De Gea was player of the year for a couple of seasons too if I remember correctly.
 
I would have probably had more symphathies with Onana with the MGW goal error had he not been relatively error free in the past. He's always going to be doing atleast 7-8 mistakes a season. Those mistakes don't include him failing to stop moderately tough chances better keepers would stop. It's just plain errors.

I don't see his ball playing skills being great either. And ball playing skills are secondary for a keeper, the most important have to do with shot stopping.
 
Moriarty said:
De Gea was player of the year for a couple of seasons too if I remember correctly.
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He really saved our collective arses for an extended period of time. But it's very rare that the best player for a football club over the course of the entire season has to be a keeper. Sure the keepers are necessities and good keepers are absolute commodities. But apart from us and Everton, which other premier league team can claim so. For entire seasons

I'd venture a guess that the reason why De Gea or Onana for that matter see so much of the ball are because our team in terms of tactics or manpower, are lacking. We expose our keepers to way too much danger and then applaud the keepers instead of thinking of ways to stop exposing our goal so easily.
 
Onana's been great this season. One poor game doesn't really change that. I was critical of him last season but he's the least of our problems right now.
 
RedinIndia said:
I would have probably had more symphathies with Onana with the MGW goal error had he not been relatively error free in the past. He's always going to be doing atleast 7-8 mistakes a season. Those mistakes don't include him failing to stop moderately tough chances better keepers would stop. It's just plain errors.

I don't see his ball playing skills being great either. And ball playing skills are secondary for a keeper, the most important have to do with shot stopping.
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Not correct in any way.
 
RedinIndia said:
He really saved our collective arses for an extended period of time. But it's very rare that the best player for a football club over the course of the entire season has to be a keeper. Sure the keepers are necessities and good keepers are absolute commodities. But apart from us and Everton, which other premier league team can claim so. For entire seasons

I'd venture a guess that the reason why De Gea or Onana for that matter see so much of the ball are because our team in terms of tactics or manpower, are lacking. We expose our keepers to way too much danger and then applaud the keepers instead of thinking of ways to stop exposing our goal so easily.
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Most Liverpool fans would name Allison as one of their top players, even in their best years. It's a weird argument.
 
NLunited said:
He was straight behind the shot actually. There was a deflection.
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I didn't see any deflection, although the shot did a slight curve. It still went through the middle and it was a shocking mistake for a professional goalkeeper. He was crap, people need to stop making excuses for him and just move one. He had a bad game but everyone needs to get over it and not stress about it.
 
Acheron said:
I didn't see any deflection, although the shot did a slight curve. It still went through the middle and it was a shocking mistake for a professional goalkeeper. He was crap, people need to stop making excuses for him and just move one. He had a bad game but everyone needs to get over it and not stress about it.
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It was more then a slight curve. The shot was going straight at him at first.

All the goals were team errors btw.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Most Liverpool fans would name Allison as one of their top players, even in their best years. It's a weird argument.
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"One of" is fine, it becomes a problem when he turns "the one". That's a fair point he made.
 
Judas said:
Nah you can dress it up any way you like Onana should be saving that 10 times out of 10.

Still think he's been alright this season.
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Not dressing anything in any way. The posture of MGW suggests a shot for which Onana prepared accordingly. The fact that he mishits it causes the ball to go in.
 
BulgarianDevil91 said:
Not dressing anything in any way. The posture of MGW suggests a shot for which Onana prepared accordingly. The fact that he mishits it causes the ball to go in.
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I do agree with this even if some of the blame has to be on Onana, but Gibbs-White has almost accidentally knuckle-balled it and it's ending it changing direction slightly halfway through and pulled to Onana's left when he's clearly shaped to try and put it in the other corner.
 
I can't believe there are people making excuses for Onana's mistake on Saturday!

The shot went slap bang in the middle of the goal. We could have had a bag on cement on the goal line and it would have saved it.

The problem is that Onana has a habit of going down too early, almost trying to guess where the shot is going to go, and he then can't change direction or react. This is exactly what happened on Saturday.
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
Fickle fans again. Remember that double save from a few games ago?

And now 1 mistake and we should replace him.

Jesus.
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The goalkeeper can’t be shaky. All the good work will go undone if you make mistakes like that. We lost the game because of that
 
For me even when he's playing well (And he has been this season) he just doesn't inspire confidence. I'm just not surprised by the mistake he made at the weekend. He's one of those keepers that seems to make saves look more difficult than they are. To be fair, last year I thought we needed to change him as soon as possible, but he's done enough this season for that not to be a priority. Personally though I'm very unconvinced that he's a long term solution.
 
Basically he's Fred. Lovely guy, big personality, occasionally sublime, occasional howler. He's inconsistent. While it's true we haven't set up with him to play the really high line, it's also true that some of the basic skills in goalkeeping he seems to be a bit rough in (like positioning on free kicks, diving for low shots). He's not in the top 5 of players we need to upgrade, so hopefully he returns to this season's form.
 
Someone famous said it best. Its easy to be a striker. You can have a stinker for 90 mins and score a goal and you be a hero. But being a keeper is way harder, you can have 90 mins of world class performance and one mistake you get demonized. Onana is ok. At least this season.
 
He's been decent to be fair, no way terrible. Just thought that he will be better on the ball than what he has shown so far
 
BulgarianDevil91 said:
Not dressing anything in any way. The posture of MGW suggests a shot for which Onana prepared accordingly. The fact that he mishits it causes the ball to go in.
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How the heck do you absolve blame due to a shot being mishit? He was aiming for the top corner, so I jumped there - how was I to know he was about to hit it in the middle of the goal? Strange argument.

He should save that 100/100 times - no deflection, no excuse.

That being said, one mistake does not define his season. Onana has been very good this season overall.
 
Judas said:
De Gea was making equally as horrific howlers from shots from distance towards the end here.
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And not only that. The moment I realized de Gea has to go was against (I believe) Bern. He was waiting on the edge of the box, Bern played a long ball and their striker was running at him. Everything that he needed to do was just standing where he was and waiting to pick up the ball, the striker had no chance to get to that first. Instead he retreated back to his goal and Bern's striker got a 1v1 situation and scored. I couldn't stand watching him having so little confidence in his ability to control his box (and lack of that ability) and while he did make up for that with excellent shot stopping for some seasons the moment that stopped being excellent he was just a waste of money for the club.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have hard feelings towards him as a person, I think he cared and gave his best, but it really was time to move on from him.
 
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