Andre Onana made another mistake. Ohnono.

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Rossa said:
Of course you anticipate, but you never commit early on a 22 yard shot. It’s a huge gamble that turned into a massive mistake, without any excuses. It happens.
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My understanding of the situation is he just dove the proper way to where a proper shot would've gone, as would have any other keeper for that matter. The mishit happens and it goes wrong. Simple, but people are in incredible denial.
 
Onana has some good qualities, but I highly doubt these blunders will ever go away. He's not the first thing that needs replacing, but he will if we expect to return to the top 4 consistently or heaven forbid actually challenge for the league.
 
NLunited said:
Every gk does and deflections make gk look stupid all the time. Maybe he could have done better, I don‘t know I‘m not a gk trainer.

Considering he saved us so many times this season, jumping on this is piss poor supporting.
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There was no deflection though!
 
BulgarianDevil91 said:
My understanding of the situation is he just dove the proper way to where a proper shot would've gone, as would have any other keeper for that matter. The mishit happens and it goes wrong. Simple, but people are in incredible denial.
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We have to strongly disagree on that one. I think you will find most goalie pundits and experts would agree that you are indeed wrong.
 
NLunited said:
He plants himself behind the possible trajectory of the shot, probably a bit further to the left based on body language of Gibbs.

Without the direction change he stops that shot, that much is clear.
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It's actually quite hard to hit a ball straight, it will usually either move right or left. If you fade it (like with a golf ball) as the speed of the shot drops off the spin makes it move more. Basic.
 
The worry is always when one mistake leads to more like we're seeing with him right now. Keepers, especially in high pressure clubs, need to be able to move on quickly. He was really poor tonight even excluding the goal.
 
MF1138 said:
The worry is always when one mistake leads to more like we're seeing with him right now. Keepers, especially in high pressure clubs, need to be able to move on quickly. He was really poor tonight even excluding the goal.
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It’s one thing to have confidence players like Rashford and Antony in the squad but it seems Onana is a confidence keeper, and when he takes a knock it’s followed quickly by a handful more. At the level we aspire to that is never going to work. Our goalkeeper needs a strong mentality and not let blunder affect him.
 
We bought him for 50m because he is supposed to be good with his feet. So far I see nothing special about his distribution. Money down the drain.

To make matter worse, he is not good at shot stopping and prone to blunders.
 
Out of all the options available, he had to pick one that was going to put the team under most pressure. Harry Maguire of goalkeepers with zero game intelligence.
 
Poborsky's hair said:
Not monitoring the league very closely but how many howlers did Ederson or Allison had this season? Obviously they play for high possession teams which allow low quality of chances most of the time, so the statistics could be skewed, but I just wonder. We are still tier down from the two well oiled teams, with defence and midfield and overal new style of play settling in, so we could see the statistics to go in his favour over the next couple of seasons.
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Ederson has been very poor this season. Quite a lot of mistakes done by him this season. He's always been an average keeper who's been found out now that teams are playing through city's Rodri less midfield and taking more shots on goal.

Alisson has been injured for quite a stretch but he's not done any mistakes this season.

The main keepers to compare Onana with are Kelleher & Raya. Cleansheets aren't the only metric to compare keepers by and both of the two are levels above Onana. In all areas of the game be it distribution, shot stopping , technique.
 
The quality of chances matter too. A lot of the times , the saves made by the other keepers are routine ones which you expect most keepers to make.

Onana makes the routine ones look into worldies. Something that Pickford does as well. That shows a basic lack of positioning. He's a liability when there are shots fired low because his positioning is off as is his reaction to getting either of his hands or legs to the ball. He's decent when he doesn't have to stretch down but then most keepers at this level are. As far as his distribution goes , for a supposed ball playing keeper , it's highly suspect. It's not the level of Nick Pope bad. But it's not a substantial improvement wherein we could justify getting De Gea off of the team. Not when the other aspects of his goalkeeping are strictly average.
 
RedinIndia said:
Ederson has been very poor this season. Quite a lot of mistakes done by him this season. He's always been an average keeper who's been found out now that teams are playing through city's Rodri less midfield and taking more shots on goal.

Alisson has been injured for quite a stretch but he's not done any mistakes this season.

The main keepers to compare Onana with are Kelleher & Raya. Cleansheets aren't the only metric to compare keepers by and both of the two are levels above Onana. In all areas of the game be it distribution, shot stopping , technique.
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Yeah, I kind of agree about Onana being below Kelleher and Raya. I feel about GK situation the same way I did about our right back situation in the summer. Dalot and Wan Bissaka I thought were perfectly serviceable but not great options, but we need to fix so many areas in the team that with limited funds this is not the first position I would target. But seeing Mazraoui play really put into stark contrast how much we'd been lacking in these areas and how big the gap can be between perfectly serviceable and genuinely good. And if we upgrade on Onana with the keeper equivalent of Mazraoui, I bet we'd notice the same.

The problem is finding the keeper equivalent of Mazraoui because Onana's ability on the ball and on crosses is definitely better than De Gea - and he was supposed to show us how much we'd been lacking in those areas the way Mazraoui has - but he's not really been an upgrade in the same way overall. But not sure who's a really good option out there? Maignon and Diogo Costa seemed to be highly rated around the time we got Onana but neither have really kicked on, and both have made big mistakes in European games themselves (including against us in Costa's case). Not sure who we can get who'd be a guarantee.
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
Maignon and Diogo Costa seemed to be highly rated around the time we got Onana but neither have really kicked on, and both have made big mistakes in European games themselves (including against us in Costa's case). Not sure who we can get who'd be a guarantee.
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Might be high time we looked around the league. All good going in for established names but other teams(who aren't Liverpool/Arsenal have keepers who are better than the established big name Onana.

Aston Villa , Everton, Spurs , Brighton, Brentford, Chelsea (debatable) , Bournemouth, Ipswich

All teams with better keepers than us.

If anything, shows that keepers are available. We need to look around teams who have a similar playing style as to how Amorim likes and then get in a keeper who's well versed in that. Martinez from Villa , might not be a bad shout. He's quite a character and might be someone who doesn't let a mistake define the following three games. Kepa is there in Bournemouth and his brainfades aside(which I think he's grown out of) , he's quite a good keeper and an improvement on Onana.

Easiest option would be to ditch Bayindir. If he's not competing with Onana for the #1 spot , he's not good enough to be a #2 keeper for a side wanting to be top 4 on a regular basis. Get in Kepa on a free. Let Onana and Kepa compete with equal game time the coming season and move the one who's performance is worse all the time looking for a long term #1.

Liverpool are willing to let Kelleher go the coming season because they figure that their incoming guy is better. That shows their level of future planning. Their #3 right now is highly rated too and did play well in the league Cup against Brighton. Also shows there's good value for homegrown keepers in the market. And those can be trained.
 
We spent 50m to replace an error prone keeper with another. This one is arguably worse in just about every aspect. Crazy
 
RedinIndia said:
Might be high time we looked around the league. All good going in for established names but other teams(who aren't Liverpool/Arsenal have keepers who are better than the established big name Onana.

Aston Villa , Everton, Spurs , Brighton, Brentford, Chelsea (debatable) , Bournemouth, Ipswich

All teams with better keepers than us.
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You cannot be serious.
 
I've said this over and over again, we need a better keeper to progress. We have enough problems than to have a GK that doesn't inspire confidence. Great guy, great character but we need a more dependable GK.
 
I would say these mistakes happen with keepers who want to play out from the back, in truth we've not had that many mistakes like the one we saw last night. If it was just the odd pass going wrong it wouldn't be so bad, but when his actual technical ability just as a goalkeeper is questionable and leading to plenty of goals being condeding, it's a frustrating position to be in.
 
devilsadvoca8 said:
I've said this over and over again, we need a better keeper to progress. We have enough problems than to have a GK that doesn't inspire confidence. Great guy, great character but we need a more dependable GK.
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So who were you asking for when it was obvious Big Dave was a gonner?
 
Bondi77 said:
So who were you asking for when it was obvious Big Dave was a gonner?
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Funny enough I wanted us to get a dependable older keeper like Yann Sommer and give Kovar rotation opportunities rather than splash on the fancy, Onana, Costa and Maignan.
 
christinaa said:
He's costing us too many games and points!
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He didn't cost us either yesterday. Another terrible mistake and his kicking went to shit after as well. He's clearly a big confidence player which isn't ideal for a keeper. I'll wait till the end of the season before a definitive judgement. He's been great this season apart from the past couple games.
 
devilsadvoca8 said:
Funny enough I wanted us to get a dependable older keeper like Yann Sommer and give Kovar rotation opportunities rather than splash on the fancy, Onana, Costa and Maignan.
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Seriously!
In all honesty mate you must have realized that we were going to sign a big name GK after De gea and on the back of his Chmps league form with Inter and paying him a third of the wage of Big Dave it was a sensible move and that is not even taking the ETH connection into account.
I saw his bloopers reel and it was one of the best out there and I had big concerns and thought we would be better off with Hendo but he had burnt his bridges by then.
We are stuck with him now but it looks like he is more Grobbelaar than any other GK from the past and that does have it's ups as well as it's downs.
 
His highs and lows are quite far apart. Usually GKs don't operate that way.
 
It may be the last thing we solve but we will eventually replace him, I'm certain of that. We just need someone that the defence trusts and does the basics at 8/10 level at the very least.
 
he’s good enough for our level. he’s not good enough for the level we should aspire to.
 
Desert Eagle said:
He didn't cost us either yesterday. Another terrible mistake and his kicking went to shit after as well. He's clearly a big confidence player which isn't ideal for a keeper. I'll wait till the end of the season before a definitive judgement. He's been great this season apart from the past couple games.
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Goalkeepers are not allowed to make those silly mistakes - more than any other player on the field of play.
 
I’m just sad for him. He was having a great season and now in just 2 games he lost all credibility. I hope he is back to his best again.
 
feels like Barthez at the moment, good keeper but prone to mistakes. Not surprised if they went to find another keeper, with less ball playing abilities.
 
I'm really tired of this bloke. If DDG was "past it", this guy is a "never was". You can bring stats all you want, he might make 20 saves a game, ultimately if we go down 3:2 because of his mistakes it doesn't matter.

Should be benched. This is ridiculous.
 
He just does not have the ability to remain confident when something goes wrong. He rather collapses totally and every pass or move becomes dodgy
 
Last 3 goals he conceded demonstrate some serious mental damage. There is no rational explanation. One off I can understand but 3 in two matches!!
 
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