Andre Onana made another mistake. Ohnono.

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We can't keep him long term, he will ultimately cost us too many points and knock out ties.
 
He has to be replaced in the summer... once again I'd go all in for Martinez (try to get Duran at same time?)
 
He came for few crosses at start of the game and not convinced on them, then he starts holding onto the ball to long. I know he holds it for the team to press and work around it . He holds it to long, after that error they hardly passed it back to him.
 
Hughie77 said:
He came for few crosses at start of the game and not convinced on them, then he starts holding onto the ball to long. I know he holds it for the team to press and work around it . He holds it to long, after that error they hardly passed it back to him.
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This. We signed him for his distribution but he is as error prone as any keeper we’ve had and what’s the point if his distribution is actually crap. Hangs onto the ball unti everybody is marked. I know movement in front of him isn’t great but he frequently ignores a decent ball out and ends up rolling it out to the edge of the area and round we go again
 
Denis' cuff said:
This. We signed him for his distribution but he is as error prone as any keeper we’ve had and what’s the point if his distribution is actually crap. Hangs onto the ball unti everybody is marked. I know movement in front of him isn’t great but he frequently ignores a decent ball out and ends up rolling it out to the edge of the area and round we go again
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I've said before here that I find his lack of fundamentals worrying. Sometimes the way he positions his body or uses his hands are very irregular. Add to that his shaky confidence.
Again, not a bad keeper but not an elite one either. Like someone wrote above, not the level we aspire to.
 
The guy is gonna chuck one in in the derby. Absolutely criminal from the club to not have a decent backup for him.
 
Bar the goal, not sure why he suddenly decided he wanted to just do a shit impression of superman for the first 15 minutes of the game.
 
He single handedly eliminated us from CL last season. He was not any better in the PL last season too. Basically, last season we were worried for any shot at him because any shot have a decent chance to beat him.

Under SAF, he would have been dropped/sold.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Under SAF, he would have been dropped/sold.
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Clearly the bar is no longer that high for any player, not just Onana. Nowadays if you have an ok-ish game, no mistakes, you have fans calling it a good game.
Onana can do whatever he wants because his backup is Bayindir, who no one really rates/rated and no one knows why he was signed up as backup.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
This is complete nonsence
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Not at all. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but not nonsense. The team played like shit, but had the talent to get out of the group with few goals here and there. Onana changed all that and ensured that the team had a mountain to climb.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Not at all. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but not nonsense. The team played like shit, but had the talent to get out of the group with few goals here and there. Onana changed all that and ensured that the team had a mountain to climb.
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To claim Onana got us knocked out single handed is utter nonsence
 
He’s probably fine for where we were last year and where still are now, conceding loads of shots and many good opportunities because he will pull off many unlikely saves and the odd brain dead mistake will quickly be forgotten. He won’t work at a top class team because they typically don’t concede that many good quality shots and will mostly need you to not just concede goals out of nowhere, which he can’t help doing.
 
He was signed because his “distribution is good”. All I’ve seen is his distribution is risky and does nothing for the team’s play.
 
fps said:
He was signed because his “distribution is good”. All I’ve seen is his distribution is risky and does nothing for the team’s play.
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He does do the occasional quick effective kick out, but I'm really not sure he does it better than half the other keepers in the division. He seems to freeze sometimes when the ball is at his feet, especially when his centre backs are being pressed, and struggles to just make that snap decision a keeper needs to be able to make (when there isn't a safe pass available) and just smash it upfield. He might have got away with the pass to De Ligt if he'd played it first time, but he paused, maybe panicked slightly, and then played quite a slow moving ball, as the Plzen attacker had got a head of steam up and was sprinting in. In fairness, that is probably something you can be trained out of.
 
statpadder said:
We spent 50m to replace an error prone keeper with another. This one is arguably worse in just about every aspect. Crazy
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De Gea wasn’t error prone. He made a few of course but it wasn’t a regular predictable thing like it is with Andre. If his confidence is knocked then you can bet on it going wrong again. The TOTD pod acknowledged that today - he’s a player who is harsh on himself and takes a long time to get over a poor performance. That knocks on into subsequent matches.
DDG was still able to pick himself up and dust himself off and be awesome when called upon after a mistake. To call him error prone is inaccurate.
 
Plant0x84 said:
De Gea wasn’t error prone. He made a few of course but it wasn’t a regular predictable thing like it is with Andre. If his confidence is knocked then you can bet on it going wrong again. The TOTD pod acknowledged that today - he’s a player who is harsh on himself and takes a long time to get over a poor performance. That knocks on into subsequent matches.
DDG was still able to pick himself up and dust himself off and be awesome when called upon after a mistake. To call him error prone is inaccurate.
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Towards the end of his time with us though, he was getting really bad and needed to be replaced. The way we went about it was bad though.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
Towards the end of his time with us though, he was getting really bad and needed to be replaced. The way we went about it was bad though.
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He just wasn’t. He’s had 12 months away from football and is looking mighty once more at Fiorentina.
The way ETH handled it was appalling though, I agree there.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He just wasn’t. He’s had 12 months away from football and is looking mighty once more at Fiorentina.
The way ETH handled it was appalling though, I agree there.
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He was. And before you quote the Golden Glove, his shot prevention stats were below average. And he threw games for us like the Sevilla QF and the City FA Cup final.
 
De Gea was average for us since the 2018 World Cup. I think people struggle to distinguish between 2013-2018 De Gea and 2018-2023 De Gea.

They are two completely different players.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
De Gea was average for us since the 2018 World Cup. I think people struggle to distinguish between 2013-2018 De Gea and 2018-2023 De Gea.

They are two completely different players.
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He was still making WC saves and winning us points as opposed to making WC mistakes and costing us points.
Maybe the time to replace him had come, but the way it was handled was a disgrace and Onana wasn’t the right replacement.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He was still making WC saves and winning us points as opposed to making WC mistakes and costing us points.
Maybe the time to replace him had come, but the way it was handled was a disgrace and Onana wasn’t the right replacement.
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Your first sentence is pure fiction. He cost us plenty of points with bad mistakes in his last few seasons.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Your first sentence is pure fiction. He cost us plenty of points with bad mistakes in his last few seasons.
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Lies. The narrative is set against David, but this thread isn’t even about him. The point is that Onana isn’t the answer. He wasn’t the right choice under ten Hag, and he isn’t the right choice under Amorim.
 
Stadjer said:
Agree but somehow that is how people like to see it. Onana played a large role in getting knocked out but he sure had some help from the rest of the team to ensure that we got knocked out.
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People try to put undeserved blame on Andre but the truth is there was a lot more blame for our Champions League exit than just a couple of goalkeeping errors, it wasnt Andre's fault that Casemiro threw himself in to the back pf a Galatasaray player and got sent off or that Rashford stamped on an opposition player in Copenhagen and got sent off when we were well on top in the game and would have won, it wasnt Andre's fault that Bruno gave away 2 stupid free kicks to Galatasaray which they scored from, and it wasnt Andre's fault that none of his teammates put in a decent shift at home against FC Bayern's 2nd string.
 
Rossa said:
Have you played as a goalie? Literally, on a 20+ yard shot, you would never dive early. Firstly, the striker may very well use the good old fake shot, which will leave you stranded in a corner - you would never see top goalies do that. The striker could also use a decoy outside shot, which happens quite frequently, and thirdly, the striker may simply not strike it as cleanly as he wanted, and thus the direction is off from what he intended. As you said, he went for power, which normally reduces accuracy. Going early could leave you completely stranded. Therefore, that's why you don't look silly gambling on a penalty kick, but you get criticised for going early behind the wall on a free kick outside the box. You anticipate, but you don't move early. It's a massive mistake, and Onana would agree whole heartedly for sure.
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He was behind the ball for the first part of its trajectory, it was a freak shot. How often do you see gk get caught out by bumps or deflections?

I‘m much more bothered by the mistake against Plizen.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
This is complete nonsence
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You are entitled to your opinion. But to many, that was exactly what happened last season. Blow after blow to the team at critical moments in the CL. It was enough to killed off whatever hope we have to qualify. Called it what you like. Without those comical mistakes from him we would have qualified to knock out stage.
 
It's the same bollocks we were seeing with De Gea. One highlight reeel worthy save is enough to keep some people happy for a while, despite numerous gaffs.

A keeper needs to be consistent and the team need to feel they can rely on him. You don't get that with Onana
 
No one at the club now was responsible for signing him so I'm sure if he keeps messing up he'll be replaced quickly. No sentiment will be shown.
 
TMDaines said:
You cannot be serious.
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I think it's high time we take note that our recruitment has been woefully below average.

Teams below ours are getting better players at half or less than half what we dole out.

And again I point to us becoming Everton. Signing overpriced dross and then trying to do mental gymnastics to convince ourselves that they were good hires.
 
Don't want us becoming the second team in Manchester.

We probably are well in our way. In future , my kid would probably refer to man city as the main Manchester team.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
To claim Onana got us knocked out single handed is utter nonsence
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Ok - perhaps a bit of hyperbole to say singlehandedly, but I get the poster's sentiment. If we had a semi-competent keeper instead of whatever Onana was in those games, we would have qualified.

He was responsible for costing us points where we scored goals but he kept inexplicably letting in cheap goals and just couldn't make routine saves to keep our leads intact.
 
RedinIndia said:
Don't want us becoming the second team in Manchester.

We probably are well in our way. In future , my kid would probably refer to man city as the main Manchester team.
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It's a bit harsh on Onana to put all of that on him
 
Andre was horrible in last 2 games (expected Bayindir to start in Plzeň).
But so far, he was good this season.
Still don't think we got proper goalie after David
 
Bright_Eyes said:
It's a bit harsh on Onana to put all of that on him
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I've got three posts to reply in a day on the main forum. I'll choose to reply to this and reply to the other post tomorrow. This is the last post on this day for me

It's not just on Onana. We've been paying way too much for bang average guys. This is our recruitment to blame. Be it Onana , Antony , Mount , Casemiro , Eriksen and those are only the recent hires. I'm not even including the likes of de Ligt who I think the jury is still out on.

Can't we face the reality, feck off the dead weight including the homegrown guy in Rashford and then move on forward.
 
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