André Onana | signed for United | On a flight to NYC

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He's going to be a very divisive player, this one

I don't watch Italian football, so I know nothing of this guy. But seeing this makes me not want him here. He'll come unstuck so fast trying that nonsense in the PL
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned here, at the end of the CL Final defeat to City, Onana was really putting in big energy to pick his teammates spirits back up - he looked liked a real leader in that moment and impressed me a lot, this was before any links to us. Maybe someone can find a video of this?
 
feck me what with the DDG news we will look daft now if we fail to get him...
 
Stats are problematic, especially for judging gk. Stats for DeGea this season are skewed because of three big defeats where the whole team underperformed. There is also the fact that we had the most clean sheets.

What made me change my mind about keeping DeGea is his mistakes in the Sevilla game especially and the second goal in the FA cup final. That combined with the blunder against Newcastle, and his lack of physical presence in the box has offset the points he saved for us this season. He folds under pressure which we cannot tolerate.

My opinion changed not because of stats but because of decisive moments where he let us down. It is also time to get a modern gk and get rid of his high wages.
Only stat affected by 3 big defeats is number of goals conceded. Which is not really a problem because nobody judges goalkeepers by that number anymore.

Funny thing is, the ONLY thing that De Gea was excellent at in the past is shot stopping, and now we have very good parameter to judge this attribute. You can look back to see he was unreal shot stopper a few years ago. But it also proves this is no longer the case.
Stats and eye test always tell the same story when it comes to extremes.
 
Someone tell me this isn’t just ETH signing more of his mates. Serie A stats from last season look underwhelming. What can you tell me that will give me a bit of confidence?

He had some of the best stats in the CL last season. Serie A stats are impacted by him getting back to match fitness after not playing regularly for 18 months. It's the reason he didn't start the season as their no.1 keeper.
 
I don't watch Italian football, so I know nothing of this guy. But seeing this makes me not want him here. He'll come unstuck so fast trying that nonsense in the PL
Yeah, especially since the PL is twice as fast and competitive as the CL is.
 
Biggest make or break for him will be how he responds to a big mistake, because he will make them. He's 27 so you'd hope he's coming into his prime and should have a supreme confidence in himself.

Something that encourages me about him how he reacted after the CL final loss. That part where he threw his gloves off and was speaking to Lautaro Martinez. Just reeked of someone with the right attitude.
 
Love those vids of him pissing about with the ball on his line.
He seems cool as feck and totally unphased. Polar opposite of flappy De Gea who looked terrified of the ball
 
He’ll command his area, and it will be a breath of fresh air :D.

As much as I enjoyed De Gea over the years, we’ve needed someone with that command.
 
I don't watch Italian football, so I know nothing of this guy. But seeing this makes me not want him here. He'll come unstuck so fast trying that nonsense in the PL
This is my chief concern - how he copes with the faster pace of the PL, and specifically with forwards who are better and quicker at pressing. I guess at least he’ll have a defender like Martinez nearby who stays alert and will make himself available for a pass. But with DDG going I’d really prefer to have *less* drama from the goalkeeper, rather than more.
 
I rate him and think he will do very well. Just hope he off the field problems are resolved and he is a model professional
 

We talk about ball playing keepers but will the OT crowd tolerate him?
Ederson for example gets away with blunder after blinder. The Etihad crowd appreciate that’s because of the type of keeper he is, these things will happen.
I’m not convinced our fan base will be and because it’s Man Utd, his mistakes will be highlighted more.
 
I really like Onana, and I was miffed when we didn't challenge Inter for him on a free - seemed like a no brainer for both Poch and EtH, but I do worry that he will take time to adapt to the PL - as most goalkeepers do. David is arguably the third best goalkeeper we've had, behind Edwin and Peter, that is a lot for Onana to live up to. The issues we had with that positon from Peter's time to Edwin is still fresh in my mind - it could be a bumpy ride.
Yeah I know but it's been time for a while now and DDG has been done for quite some time. Looking forward to seeing a brave keeper doing brave keeper shit for the next couple of years.
 
I don't watch Italian football, so I know nothing of this guy. But seeing this makes me not want him here. He'll come unstuck so fast trying that nonsense in the PL
What like he did against the best team in Europe in the Champions League final, where he basically made them stop even trying to press him after the first 15 minutes, as he kept embarrassing them and breaking their press.

There will be the odd blunder but he is a massive upgrade for the way we want to play football!
 
We talk about ball playing keepers but will the OT crowd tolerate him?
Ederson for example gets away with blunder after blinder. The Etihad crowd appreciate that’s because of the type of keeper he is, these things will happen.
I’m not convinced our fan base will be and because it’s Man Utd, his mistakes will be highlighted more.

We tolerated mistake after mistake from DDG for 5 years. I think from all PL clubs, we have the most mistake tolerant fanbase. I think Onana will be more than fine here.
 
He earned that right.

Not disagreeing. And at one degree, I m happy that in general we accept mistakes. I think this is one of the reasons we always have young, immature players in our team. Even though I think we have become too acceptable, which has lead to lowering our standards.
 
Love those vids of him pissing about with the ball on his line.
He seems cool as feck and totally unphased. Polar opposite of flappy De Gea who looked terrified of the ball
Ye but alls it takes is to lose concentration and he makes a mistake. Can see a lot of fans being shaky in the stadiums :lol:
 
We talk about ball playing keepers but will the OT crowd tolerate him?
Ederson for example gets away with blunder after blinder. The Etihad crowd appreciate that’s because of the type of keeper he is, these things will happen.
I’m not convinced our fan base will be and because it’s Man Utd, his mistakes will be highlighted more.

Gonna have to grow up, football has moved on from 1986-2013.
 
Only stat affected by 3 big defeats is number of goals conceded. Which is not really a problem because nobody judges goalkeepers by that number anymore.

Funny thing is, the ONLY thing that De Gea was excellent at in the past is shot stopping, and now we have very good parameter to judge this attribute. You can look back to see he was unreal shot stopper a few years ago. But it also proves this is no longer the case.
Stats and eye test always tell the same story when it comes to extremes.
Sounds like you are cherry picking which things to look at, stats and eye test often indicate very different things.

If you compare stats in different leagues or time periods for the same gk, you get huge discrepancies.

The eye test tells me he was a good shot stopper last season until the last two months where he made a couple of horrendous mistakes.

If he was a bad shot stopper he would not have gotten golden glove. With more than eight different cb pairings this season that would have been impossible.
 
We talk about ball playing keepers but will the OT crowd tolerate him?
Ederson for example gets away with blunder after blinder. The Etihad crowd appreciate that’s because of the type of keeper he is, these things will happen.
I’m not convinced our fan base will be and because it’s Man Utd, his mistakes will be highlighted more.

As long as we're winning, mistakes are easily forgiven. Now if we lose (or even draw), we tend to look for scapegoat(s). It's just the way it goes.
 
The way some people talk about the PL as the biggest, strongest, fastest league in the world, you'd think that peasants were being picked up and thrown into the Colloseum. The level of hyperbole is unreal.

It's not even the most pressing league in Europe, so let's not worry about Onana shitting his pants at PL teams pressing him.

It's not even the tallest league in Europe (Netherlands, a place he's thrived in is), so let's not worry about Onana suddenly finding himself contesting duels with Goliaths.

And even if the league is more intense, it's not to the degree that people tend to exaggerate.

Year after year after year, PL unproven foreign players routinely hit the ground running for their respective teams without any real period of adjustment.

They're professional athletes, not semi-professional electricians.
 
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