André Onana | signed for United | On a flight to NYC

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Just watched a video of some highlights on YT. I can't lie, Dave in goal gives me panic attacks all the time, but the shit this guy is doing is going to make me even worse :lol:

I expect the video you saw was the one I saw, and it was from his younger days.
 
Obviously you know what the conversation was about. There's Saka and there's Osimhen.

I don't actually know what this is supposed to mean and I didn't follow the conversation. I simply asked a question.
 
I don't actually know what this is supposed to mean and I didn't follow the conversation. I simply asked a question.
The discussion was about how we are yet to have a big African star at united.
 
The discussion was about how we are yet to have a big African star at united.

Okay but the list that he gave isn't one that has african stars which is why I wondered about the criteria. Evra is african and a star but if the critteria only includes internationals for African teams then he is eliminated.

But I'll let you guys have your conversation.
 

Okay but the list that he gave isn't one that has african stars which is why I wondered about the criteria. Evra is african and a star but if the critteria only includes internationals for African teams then he is eliminated.

But I'll let you guys have your conversation.
Evra is partly African, partly French. Different from someone who moved to Europe due to football like my example Osimhen.
 
It's not a bad fee at all. To me 50 million euros for a top ballplaying keeper that's probably in the top 5 or 10 in his position in the world is a lot more of a deal than 50 million pound sterling on a midfielder that'd be lucky to make a top 30. Generally you do get way better deals on the continent.
 
Why are the add ons always 5m..? Why not go 45m with 15m add ons with varying likelihood?
 
There is a thread asking how Barthez would be seen in this current era of goalkeeping
We are about to find out


main worry is something like last season happens and we lose varane + martinez so we see lindeloff + maguire and onana. That build up play from the back would be god awful
hopefully maguire gets sold but I have a feeling hes going to stick around
 
Oyeayea!

This one excites me.

In fact… it’s the only transfer Utd are in for this window that actually truly excites me.

Mount I’ve come around to and am pleased he’s come to Utd, but doesn’t excite in the slightest.

Hoijlund doesn’t excite me in the slightest when I think we should be at least putting in bids for Kane.

It’s weird having a keeper as the most exciting transfer in the window, but whatever. Glazers gonna Glaze.
 
Oyeayea!

This one excites me.

In fact… it’s the only transfer Utd are in for this window that actually truly excites me.

Mount I’ve come around to and am pleased he’s come to Utd, but doesn’t excite in the slightest.

Hoijlund doesn’t excite me in the slightest when I think we should be at least putting in bids for Kane.

It’s weird having a keeper as the most exciting transfer in the window, but whatever. Glazers gonna Glaze.
I agree for the most part, but I'd say Hojlund is worth at least a semi.

An out and out striker with pace that isn't 49 years of age. We haven't had that in a good while.
 
Something like that.

Truthfully, he will help our build up play a lot which will boost chance creation. It is not going to turn us into title contenders: for that we need a top striker and better performances from Antony/Sancho. Assuming Rashford will keep his form and Mount will do great.

I appreciate the sincere reply. Better passing out of the back is inherently a good thing but there's really no correlation between better passing out of the back and good chance creation, but it certainly doesn't hurt. And there is absolutely is no correlation between better passing out of the back and good chance conversion.

Where we fell apart this year -- apart from the Brentford, City and Liverpool debacles 17 goals conceded in those three matches, but while we're on the subject: 27 goals conceded in the other 35 PL matches, which is more than decent -- was our finishing. We were god fukking awful with our finishing outside of Rashford. In the few games Martial was physically able to play, his finishing was awful; Sancho could only manage 6 goals; Antony only 4 goals. Let's forget about Martial: Sancho and Antony were in no way starved for service because we could never move the ball out of our own final third. They were just horrifying on goal. How many times did we see Antony shape for his left foot over and over and refuse to use his right foot? Too many. None of that had anything to do with De Gea and if neither Sancho or Antony pull themselves together there's nothing Onana's improved passing out of the back can do about that.

Let's take a match that probably reflects the general frustration we endured this season: Palace 1, United 1 on January 18. The official xg was 0.5 for Palace, 2.1 for United. United had 60% possession. United had a passing accuracy of 81%. United had 15 shots on goal, 4 on target. I can't find any heat maps for the game, but I remember it well enough to know that we dominated possession, created more good chances, had no particular problems moving the ball out of the back, and that we "should have" won the game. But we lost the game on a stoppage time free kick by Michael Olise, which I would argue could not have been stopped by Onana, or even Obama.

It's actually worth checking out again one of the top free kicks of this last season:



A reasonable response to the goal by Olise is that no one is expecting Onana to save every shot, certainly not a free kick that may go down as the top free kick of last season and probably the greatest goal Olise will ever score in his professional career. No doubt about that. But we should never have been in that position in the first place, demanding that De Gea keep a clean sheet by saving an unsaveable shot on goal, lest failure to do meant dropped points. We were clinging to a 0-1 lead in a match where we dominated the opponent and should have them but failed to do so because of poor finishing, not an inability to pass the ball out of the back.

Most opponents in the PL this last season sat back on us, knowing we would crap out pants at the first sight on goal, which in fact happened all the fukking time. They would hit us on counters and take their chances on direct free kicks and corner kicks. Top teams like City and Arsenal took the game to us, pressing high and creating problems, and a keeper like Onana will help us beat presses, but we still have a weakness at RB that opponents can exploit (the few clubs which did press us invited the ball to the right side) and when Casemiro was out due to various suspensions we were incredibly vulnerable in midfield as well. And of course going Route One to Antony and Sancho is pretty useful (EDIT: useless) as Antony is easily defended in breakaway situations and Sancho for whatever reason is useless in 1v1 situations. I trust Rashford and Garnacho with outstanding Route One balls, but I really hope we're not bringing in Onana for the purpose of becoming a Route One club. Presumably not, so it's all about improving our buildup play and if that's the case then we really need to have a conversation about the weakest link on the back line: right fullback. And, we're only one muscle injury away from having to resort to Maguire or Lindelof, not exactly exemplars of buildup play. And we need cover for Casemiro. And we need to do something about Sancho and Antony, who significantly underperformed last season against the most modest of expectations. And we need to bring in a striker who is ready right now for the PL, not 2-3 years from now.
 
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Isn't the Costa v Onana thing sort of redundant when ETH seems to prefer Onana?

Pretty obvious the manager is still driving a lot of transfer decisions. So it's rather a moot point to suggest that we should play hard ball over 50 million euros to then go and pay over 50 million euros for Costa who is second, third or whatever choice he is.
 
Going to be strange seeing somebody else in goal for us instead of Dave.

Hope we get this one done soon. It's a major shift for us.
 
I agree for the most part, but I'd say Hojlund is worth at least a semi.

An out and out striker with pace that isn't 49 years of age. We haven't had that in a good while.

Yeah, true.

I should say that Onana really excites me a lot.

Hoijlund I’m just not that sold on. I think he’s a project. If we were getting him AND a ready to rock CF it’d excite me more.

Essentially though, the Glazers have ruined what should be a really exciting window for Utd and they’ve (imo) sullied what the manager they put in place has done.

They’re really disgracing themselves with this after 20 years of ownership. They’ve shown a tangible resentment for the club imo.

I really feel for ETH. And I’ve been very critical of some of his past signings like Antony and Wout, but he’s being hung out to dry and no one in the media is really backing him up.
 
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