I think Gervo's as bald as Rooney, those extensions start on the top of his bonce.
He's played his part in 3 PL titles. 1 Champions League and 2 League Cups in his time so far at United. Thats more trophies then the whole of your squad put together has won. So you can take your team thats costs less (well almost less) then one Anderson and I'll quite happily take all those trophies.
Deary me. Disaster ay?
Right, and I suppose Anderson was the mastermind behind all those medals? The point is, he's hardly progressed as well as the transfer fee you paid out for him suggested he might. It's all well and good making little cameos and getting medals at the end of it, off the back of other people's work, but has he really produced anything consistent other than a few performances here and there?
Changing him into a midfielder has been the undoing of him. If he doesn't put anything substantial together this season, it's pretty much the end of the road for him over here.
What did you think of Anderson's 90 minute central midfield performance today Pete?
Before Benitez joined Liverpool, the wages per season were 48.6 million per year.
When he left they were spending 89 million per year. United spent 92.
When he left they were spending 89 million per year. United spent 92.
No, I'm not unbiased. I'm biased in favour of my own club, much as you are. You take it to new levels though.
That said, what would I have against Anderson? I might be biased against United because they're our 'rivals'(at least have been recently) but I praise an awful lot of your players - in the last few months, Ferdinand, Vidic, Smalling and Hernandez especially. You just choose to ignore these posts and point to the ones where I criticise a United player. It's agenda posting at its very worst.
I pretty much think that's the opinion of 99% of people with a degree of sanity.
I'd give it 6. Difficult to tell how good it really was since City played Dzeko and Balotelli and dropped an unfit Yaya into CM next to de Jong.
I explained a few pages back why rivals seem to have a chip on their shoulder about Anderson.
Anyway, rather than being related to Anderson, it was more a general point about you repeatedly telling us how unbiased and neutral you are. Stop it. It's cringey.
Over 30 appearances now counts as a "little cameo" apparently. Anderson has made about 32 appearances a year on average at his time with the club, and he makes "little cameos". He's also had three big injuries in his time here, and obviously had to adapt. To put this into perspective, Cesc has played about 20 times more than him across 4 seasons.
Harsh.
Nah, I'd give Nani a 9, Rooney and Young 7s. De Gea a 4.
I'm unbiased and neutral when it comes to most individual players - there's only very few players I have a vendetta against, and none play for United right now. When players group together and become teams, then I'm biased.
And I didn't see that post, but it's probably one of your bizarrely bitter ones, despite the fact you, as a United fan, have got no reason to be bitter.
I agree with those. But I'd give Anderson an 8, he was very good and controlled the game. Our second best player.
TheHorse'sMouth just copied and pasted one of Al's posts from earlier, changed a few words, and gets the + 1 he wanted from his pal.
Aw, bless.
In other news, Fergie is insane.
I would love you to sign up to an opposition forum for a week. The results would be hilarious. Most people would think you're a wum, and would be astounded to realise you're not.
Anderson would get in the Arsenal side. There, I've said it.
No, you're not.
Just avoid looking like a dick by never claiming to be unbiased and neutral.
What post didn't you see?
It was one of yours, not mine.
The one where you explained why rival fans have a chip on their shoulder over Anderson?
Not really you bitter old fool. It's been quite obvious that Anderson has been anything but integral to the trophies you've won over the past few seasons. Yes he's had a few decent performances, but he's hardly pulled up trees since he moved here has he?
Like I said, this season is make-or-break regarding his United career. I could see Ferguson giving him a chance to cement his place..I don't think he's a natural midfielder by any stretch of the imagination, so could see this one ending in tears.
It's generally not our style to end games in tears. I have only seen that a few times in recent years...
You lot make it sound like he cost in excess of £30-£40m. I'd say that, even without taking into account how young he is and how badly he's suffered with injuries, that he's done enough to justify a fee of the £20m we supposedly bought him for. We are now living in an age whereby Andy Carroll is worth £35m, and one in which Joleon Lescott goes for £24m. These were obviously ridiculous signings, but it puts it all into perspective when we talk with regards to players justifying fees. At this moment, he's easily a £20m player.
In light of that, and given that he played a large part in helping us to the double in his first season (we would've been shafted had he not filled in brilliantly for the injured Scholes), I'd say he's justified his fee, and there's obviously still so much more room for improvement. He was excellent last season when he was fit, and he looks to have continued that into this season if today's game is anything to go by. He's probably the best incisive passer we have in terms of playing the killer ball, one of the strongest players in the team, a really good dribbler, he's got good pace and is pretty much unbeatable one-on-one...etc.
He's already a really good player when he's on form, it's just a shame his career has been so badly hampered by injuries.
I have zero desire to sign up to an opposition forum. It takes a whole different level of obsession and pigheadedness to do so.
I only wum people who deserve it. The kind folk of an Arsenal or Liverpool forum keeping themselves to themselves don't really deserve it do they?
eh? He's schooled many of the best CM's in the country. He certainly isn't a number 10, he's perfectly suited to being an all round midfielder.
You've shown recent promise as a WUM particularly in the cricket thread but you've got a lot to learn.
The thing is though, Anderson was signed when £20m was a lot of money. Indeed, if you look at what you get for that range of fee today, it doesn't seem as excessive.
There is room for improvement in someone so young, but it's really got to come soon. There have been signs of talent recently, so maybe he'll kick on. If he doesn't though, then it really will have been a disastrous signing. And I don't think the word disastrous is too strong.
Define integral. 38 appearances in each of his first two seasons is pretty integral. This wasn't some Djimi Traore situation, where a player has made a few cameo appearances in a cup run of about 7 games, and got a medal.
Since then his career has been interrupted by injury but he does seem to be getting over that now. And he's put in some great performances in midfield, case in point today, which I'm guessing you didn't watch, much like it seems you haven't watched much of United if you think Anderson's only been a cameo player since he arrived.
I have no words. Can we have a few more disastrous signings please?
United haven't made many to be honest. Testament to your manager.
Can the Arsenal fans really not remember Anderson getting us to a Champions league final by absolutely tearing their prissy little midfielders a new one in the semi alongside Carrick and Fletcher? That was a disastrous showing.
We were dire in that game. I've said for a long time that even this forum underrates Carrick's contribution.
Games. Plural. And you were dire in large part because our disastrous signing fecked you up.
Are you saying we weren't dire? Because I can assure you, it was very much a bit of both that game - we were very bad, you were very good.
Sigh. You told us you had a full hard-on over that but in fact it was a tactical blunder that left us 2 v3 in CM in an away Cl game. In fact Fletcher and Anderson did very little with their numerical advantage which is why you didn't put the tie to bed there and then.
True, but the way people are talking about him now, you'd think he'd been performing like an £8m player. This is not so. In my opinion, he was better than Hargreaves in his first season who, despite being injured for a lot of it, was considered a reasonably successful signing at the time by most people despite what happened after. Their fees were similar.
It wouldn't even be close to disastrous. Disastrous is a term used for the likes of Shevchenko. It's also a term to be applied to Kaka's performances in context of the amount of money that Madrid spent on him. Anderson has had more good games for us than the majority of rival fans in this thread are giving him credit for.
There have been signs of talent throughout his career with us, and much more. He's schooled some excellent midfielders, held his own against top quality players, and had some brilliant games against other teams in the Premiership. He's been ridiculously hampered by injury, but it's a tribute to his talent and mentality that he's still going strong. Not many players have had to suffer the stop-start career that Anderson has suffered since leaving Brazil, not to mention the fact that he has had to adapt to the English league whilst suffering so badly in this aspect.
I'm not pointing fingers here because a lot of our own fans do the same, but I think a lot of people are still judging him against what they thought he would become - the new Ronaldinho; a player he was never likely to become as soon as we saw him play a few games for United.
Nah, it's just your immediate reaction to a brilliant Anderson performance is to look for a caveat, rather than just admit that yes, it was a very fecking good performance.
Storey did it when he was asked about that game. And he did it again after the City match today.
Put it this way, I predict a few more 'dire opponents' for Anderson this season.
We were 2 vs 3 today.
Shite argument.
The only reason we didn't put the tie to bed was poor finishing in the first leg.
We put it to bed fairly quickly in the 2nd leg though.
4-1 aggregate.
Just looking back at some of the match reports in the media. All universally praise Anderson as having a "very good game" and "played exceptionally". As the saying goes, he shat on Fabregas.
Nah, I look forward to the N'Gog is miles better than Gibson thread in the next few weeks.