Benitez'd just buy 50-odd shite Spaniards if he had City's cash. Would be a godsend if they decided to employ him.
Reina, Torres, Arbeloa, Alonso, he tried to buy Silva and Villa, both would have come if he'd been backed, so perhaps not quite right that statement is it?
I'm telling you, Rafa with City's dosh would make them a force to reckon with in world football IMO.
I would love to see him try and man-manage some of the players at City, a disaster waiting to happen.
He'd feck the hoolies off, that Balotelli's arse wouldn't touch the ground!
That 'school of thought' only emanates from RAWK to be fair.
Rafa is a good coach and tactician. However, I'd like to see him try and man manage the absolute mental house that is the City dressing room. He's crap at it.
EDIT : Didn't see "Ain't got a Kalou's" post.
Thought Anderson did well today. If he can keep up a similar level of performance & consistency, then he'll more than justify his large transfer fee. Tom Cleverley also impressed when he came on. I'd feck the Dutch moneygrabber right off if I were Fergie, & continue to develop this young lad.
Don't think we learned too much today. United are still going to be the team to beat. & despite the amount of wealth at their disposal, City are more than capable of underachieving under Mancini.
Don't think we learned too much today. United are still going to be the team to beat. & despite the amount of wealth at their disposal, City are more than capable of underachieving under Mancini.
Inter didn't have money, but why did Rafa perform so poorly as Inter's coach. He had the same side as the Mourinho's from last season.
I'll cut him some slack because (a) Dzeko wasn't closed down at all and (b) the ball swerved wickedly at the last moment (c) he's 20 and still yong and lernin.
That school of thought is amongst Liverpool fans. I seriously doubt Rafa is in the running for the City job, they're not that mental. His reputation is in tatters after ruining Liverpool and Inter. He'll be unemployed for a while. I almost feel sorry for him these days. Twat though he was, no one likes to see a man washed up, unemployed without any offers and without any clear direction of where to go next.
City's big problem under Mancini is his negativity. The last man to solve that is Rafa. He's the last man to give money to as well.
A good post from redman 
That particular disaster has been happening ever since Mancini started spending the Arab's cash.
A lot of reasons, the main one being Inter were a club who had spent bundles and simply had to cut their deficit,a bit like Italy in general, you could say the same about Leonardo when he took over too, but the bottom line.. He shouldn't have taken the job, his heart wasn't in it, his family were unhapy and he had just come out of a civil war.
Rafa's record is actually outstanding but people (including plenty od scousers) simply choose to remeber the last two years.
You know what I mean (should've said Spanish speakers to be more precise). For every Reina, you've a Josemi, and for every Alonso, you've got a Nunez.
A Gonzalez, a Paletta, a Pellegrino, a Riera.... It doesn't matter who he tried to buy; his record really wasn't great at all.
The prospect of Benitez with a blank chequebook is not that frightening. I would be absolutely ecstatic if he became City manager, and that's not even taking into account his experience with Inter.
A good post from redman
Why the
?I've always acknowledged United's good players, football, & management. I just like to challenge retarded & bias opinions. Especially when it comes to my beloved Liverpool
Krafty for the record as well as the 2800th time, Liverpool were ruined by Hicks and Gillette, stop having sly digs you horrible dirty German bastard. And yes I DO know you're not really a German.
He will be back soon, on that I have no doubt, his kids are scousers, his wife is a pillar of the Wirral society and I don't think they'll leave England again. It's just a matter of where he goes, I thought he may take the Blackburn job but that's an even bigger madhouse than we were under Hicks and Gillett.
Why the
I've always acknowledged United's good players, football, & management. I just like to challenge retarded & bias opinions. Especially when it comes to my beloved Liverpool
It's a fecking hard road though ain't it mate?
Gonzales, Pellegrino and Paletta cost £1.75m between them. Riera was a good signing but a cnut of a man who beat a youngster up on the training ground and as result became a pariah. As for spanish speakers, that's good I can throw Masch in there too! With the obvious exceptions of Robbie Keane and Morientes, Rafa generally spent very well when he spent big.
Spastics. Anderson was excellent today. Playing as a CM. For 90 mins.
Why the
I've always acknowledged United's good players, football, & management. I just like to challenge retarded & bias opinions. Especially when it comes to my beloved Liverpool
Alright alright
Rafa was the catalyst though. You can't deny he had a huge hand in your on-field shiteness.
I think Rafa would be tremendous at a club like Blackburn.
Let's be brutally honest here. His biggest successes at Liverpool, such as the CL, were from playing as the small team. Set up to be hard to beat, tight, compact, everyone behind the ball, fighting for every ball. Liverpool got some great results in big European games playing this way. Where he fell down was when Liverpool had to be the 'big' team and take the game to weaker opponents. This is why, in all but one year, you were terrible in the league.
I'm sure he will be back, but the fact he was looked over for the Villa job is a little ominous. I think he needs a little while longer out so people forget his last few years.
He was average against a City who did the expansive thing and dropped a blatently unfit Yaya into CM. Cleverly looked far better when he came on which gives you an idea of the degree of difficulty.
To be fair, storey usually says our players played shite when they've actually done alright.
So if he's saying average, you know Anderson's had an accomplished game.
They were all still a bit shite in the grand scheme of things, despite that, though I thought Gonzalez and Paletta alone went for about £3m between them (still cheap, mind). As far as big money signings, you've Aquilani and all, who wasn't a particularly good signing in hindsight.
Moving outside of Spanish speakers, his record is still littered with Voronins, Dossenas, Degans, Zendens, Sissokos, Letos....
Saying all that, we have yet to see Benitez at a club that can both a) attract the top players consistently, and b) afford to put forward the necessary cash to make this a reality. However, I'll stick by my original view that it would be delightful to see Benitez at City.
To get an idea of the success of his record in the transfer market, you need look no further than what he achieved at Liverpool (or what he did not), and how much he spent in the process.You'd also need one hell of a manager to deal with a team consisting of the likes of Balotelli, Tevez (if he stays) and the countless other tosspots they're likely to sign in the future. Benitez is not that man, in my opinion.
Krafty, what makes you think he was looked over for the Villa job?
I doubt it was his lack of ability that cost him a shot at the Villa job. Maybe he's a little too headstrong & ambitious for the likes of Randy Lerner. I'm sure even you wouldn't put Alex McLeish ahead of Benitez in the managerial talent charts.
I heard it on the interwebs, therefore it's true.
Be interesting to see where he goes next.
The Sky Sports gigs and turning up at random places round Liverpool for photos with builders must be starting to grate.
They were all still a bit shite in the grand scheme of things, despite that, though I thought Gonzalez and Paletta alone went for about £3m between them (still cheap, mind). As far as big money signings, you've Aquilani and all, who wasn't a particularly good signing in hindsight.
Moving outside of Spanish speakers, his record is still littered with Voronins, Dossenas, Degans, Zendens, Sissokos, Letos....
Saying all that, we have yet to see Benitez at a club that can both a) attract the top players consistently, and b) afford to put forward the necessary cash to make this a reality. However, I'll stick by my original view that it would be delightful to see Benitez at City.
You'd also need one hell of a manager to deal with a team consisting of the likes of Balotelli, Tevez (if he stays) and the countless other tosspots they're likely to sign in the future. Benitez is not that man, in my opinion.
Do you actually know how much his net spend was during his 6 years in charge ? - £11.5 million a season - With the exception of his final year (for which he was duly sacked) he achieved CL football in the first 5 years. The money gained from just qualifying would have been more than enough to have covered any net spend on transfers. Then there's the little fact that he won it 2005, & then came close to doing it again 2 years later.
It's a complete myth that Rafa wasted millions. He might have bought & sold a lot of players. But his overall spending was chicken feed in comparison to what City have spent over the past couple of years.......Let's not forget the great job he did in revamping the youth system. Kelly, Spearing, Robinson, & Flanagan, are all products of Rafa's regime. & don't think for one minute that they'll be the last.
Benitez had/has his faults. But he pisses from a great height on Mancini.
I'm not talking about net spend. I'm talking about how much he spent, and how much he won. Nothing more than that. United operate, it would seem, on a net spend of feck all, but we still spend a feck load in comparison to the vast majority of other clubs (and win in the process).
If he's spent a lot (which he did), and not won anything, there's either something wrong with him as a manger, or something wrong with his transfer policy. Given that you lot seem to rate him as a decent manager, I'd say that means that he's not all that in the transfer market.
You talk about his revamping of the youth system, but it's not exactly La Masia!
Your net spending was actually quite high compared to basically every club that wasn't owned by an oligarch or sheik.
It's a myth that Rafa wasn't backed. He was backed heavily. He just had to sell to buy sometimes, like every other normal club around.
United have spent much much less net, and achieved much greater outcomes.
Look at a list of Rafa's signings in its entirety. There's very few outright successes on there and a long long list of players who didn't quite make it or were outright failures. And even some of the ones he did get right, like Alonso, were forced out in an effort to replace them with inferior models (Barry).
He was a lunatic in the transfer market.
That whole Barry situation was hilarious. Probably one of the worst cases of man-management I can think of in recent years.
Gareth Barry...
Gareth Barry...
That whole Barry situation was hilarious. Probably one of the worst cases of man-management I can think of in recent years.
Gareth Barry...
The master plan was to play Barry wide left, and he'd link up with Robbie Keane who'd play to the left of Torres up front, in a 4-4-2. This came from Rafa's mouth himself when he was trying to justify why Keane didn't work out, it's not bullshit.
Bear in mind this was his plan in the summer before 08/09. Basically, if he'd got his way (i.e. been 'backed' as the Liverpool fans like to say), Liverpool's slide would have accelerated at a much greater rate.
Facht.
He's played his part in 3 PL titles. 1 Champions League and 2 League Cups in his time so far at United. Thats more trophies then the whole of your squad put together has won. So you can take your team thats costs less (well almost less) then one Anderson and I'll quite happily take all those trophies.
Deary me. Disaster ay?
The argument of 'he was in a title winning team' doesn't really hold up to any scrutiny. United have had various players down the years who won medals who didn't really deserve them. Djimi Traore at Liverpool is probably the starkest example of this.
In my view, which is hardly biased on this, Anderson has not come close to justifying his supposed value yet. The emphasis is on the word 'yet' though. If he gives you five years of wonderful play, my opinion will reverse. The reason for which I suggested that SAF might want to cut his losses on him is because I don't see that he has a lot of application, and he still has quite a few flaws in his game.
His dreads put your new signing to shame.
I literally tried to avoid a close-up picture of him for about three weeks after he signed. It's appalling.
You're completely biased.
You should give up the whole "I'm unbiased and neutral" bullshit. I've seen you say it a few times.
It's pretty weak because you're not, and it's not for you to pronounce yourself as so.
Still at least they have hair Al, at least they have hair...