Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

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Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but this says to me that the deal is almost done.

It ties in directly with whats been coming out in reports and articles lately. Herrera arrived in Manchester for a tour of the Carrington training ground after passing a medical in Spain. This has been reported by the clubs official photographer who we assume must know something or other. We've also had reports that the deal has hit a snag over paperwork or an "error" that the league is looking at. So basically Athletic's tweet today about rejecting Uniteds offer is pretty much confirming all the tweets and information we've heard:

Monday: Herrera submits €36m paperwork to the Spanish League
Tuesday: News breaks about him wanting to leave Bilbao and a deal is close
Wednesday: He arrives via private plane in London, then is moved onto Carrington for tour/photographs, presumably interviews too. News starts to filter through that the LFP have found errors in the paperwork and if all goes well, it'll be announced Friday
Thursday: Athletic Bilbao announce they rejected a bid of €36m for Herrera, but doesn't say when. We can only assume it's from Monday.


Now lets see here. Herrera apparently submits paperwork to the LFP on Monday which, if true, indicates that United have gone down the buyout clause route after having a bid rejected. There is no way on earth we'd bring a player over to England if we didn't have the present clubs permission. It just wouldn't happen, we'd be in so much trouble. Errors in the paperwork suggest getting around the tax issues, which is preventing us from closing the deal. Bilbao are most likely tweeting they rejected a bid so when the deal IS done they can say it wasn't our wish that he left and we did reject a bid, but we couldn't stop the clause from being activated... Or maybe i'm just being too optimistic about the whole thing?

Actually, that does sound like a sensible timeline.
 

Because they are not acting like a pub team on Twitter. The transfer is going through no matter what, there is nothing Bilbao can do to stop that - they are just being a massive pain in the ass for the sake of it. We have probably set the wheels in motion with the Spanish FA - which is why we have probably taken him to Carrington and Bilbao has feck all of a say in it.
 
Do you know who Bilbao are and their reputation for selling players :lol:

I think that it was a waste of time to make the bid, like I said it was nothing but a formality.

Yes i do, it doesn't take long at all to make a bid in an attempt to save yourself a lot of hassle and potentially quite a bit of money down the line and any business person worth his salt will do so.

Bilbao's reputation makes no difference whatsoever so you can shove your laughing smily up your arse ;)
 
How generous of you. The twitter is saying that we probably can't sign him so this is the last straw. If the facebook confirms it, then I am with you too.
Whatever, tuck yourself up in your megastore kit and furnishing set. I'm sorry I insulted poor Woody. :(
 
Yes i do, it doesn't take long at all to make a bid in an attempt to save yourself a lot of hassle and potentially quite a bit of money down the line and any business person worth his salt will do so.

Bilbao's reputation makes no difference whatsoever so you can shove your laughing smily up your arse ;)
You can see right now what they think of our attempt to make a bid for one of their players. They're laughing at us.
 


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What a classy bloke. Munich insults.
 

1) To put things in perspective, they have a Basque only policy. This means, even if they have money, it is very hard for them to find players of equal quality who are of Basque origin and who also want to join Bilbao.

How do they manage this with EU law, etc? Doesn't it fall foul of discrimination/restricted trade and stuff?
 
Unless im mistaken, its against the law to have a player fly to another club and do a medical etc etc without the permission from his team?

Athleti just saving face for the announcement from us later...
 
How do they manage this with EU law, etc? Doesn't fall foul of discrimination/restricted trade and stuff?
Always wondered that. People call Zenit a racist club, but the true racist club in Europe are them. But it happened for so long that it's considered a tradition.
 
well thier is becuase when laywers get involved in can take weeks and weeks, in which time the player could get injured, the deal could fall through.....

also the simple fact of been disrespectful, having a player who belongs to another club having a medical with us with no agreement in place, which makes the club look daft and unprofessional.
Why? I's exactly the opposite, it's stupid not to have medical, because the time constraints. United need to close the deal as soon as lawyers will give them green light, so all personal details and medical should already be in the bag. It's like that for any type of these deals.
 

Because the club have follow the rules, we have to do a medical, since Herrera gave the money and the document to the LFP monday. You can't do that without a medical.

And it's not a transfer, it's a contract breaking, United don't have to reach an agreement with Bilbao, the club tried to, failed and took the other road.
 
Now lets see here. Herrera apparently submits paperwork to the LFP on Monday which, if true, indicates that United have gone down the buyout clause route after having a bid rejected. There is no way on earth we'd bring a player over to England if we didn't have the present clubs permission. It just wouldn't happen, we'd be in so much trouble. Errors in the paperwork suggest getting around the tax issues, which is preventing us from closing the deal. Bilbao are most likely tweeting they rejected a bid so when the deal IS done they can say it wasn't our wish that he left and we did reject a bid, but we couldn't stop the clause from being activated... Or maybe i'm just being too optimistic about the whole thing?

I think you're right. I don't believe we would have gone back for Herrera without being prepared to go the release clause route. Nor do I believe that Herrera and his agent would have risked getting involved unless they were confident it would take place.
 
I put twitter notification of Man Utd's twitter on my phone last night, hoping I'd see a confirmation tweet. I see nothing except the "Valencia sent off.." I go on twitter only to find our bid has been rejected ffs :lol:
 
No. Bilbao don't negotiate. They aren't in a position to. What use is 36 million to them when they can't sign non-basque players?

exactly. Not sure why it's so hard to fathom?
 
Ill help you out, the answer was number 2, that was the more stupid choice and you wouldn't be a very good business person if you went for it.

I would have choose the first one too, but none of them are "stupid".
The first one is more interesting because it can spare you a lot of time but also allowed you to keep a good and respectful relationship with the other part.
 
I still think this will be done by tomorrow, hopefully :nervous:
 
You can see right now what they think of our attempt to make a bid for one of their players. They're laughing at us.

Who cares? They rejected it so it didn't work but if you didn't make the bid then you wouldn't be doing your job properly. The fact they are laughing is totally irrelevant to the business involved in conducting the transfer.
 
How do they manage this with EU law, etc? Doesn't it fall foul of discrimination/restricted trade and stuff?
How so? It's not like a normal company rejecting job applications based on provenience. It's a football club, they chose which players they want to represent them.
 
Indeed. It does seem a bit short sighted of Bilbao. All very well doing a bit of chest-thumping to prove to the world how incredibly hard it is to sign your players but they have to accept that at least some of their most talented footballers don't fancy ending their careers at the club.
Well I believe all this is just SOP in order for the club to show the fans they are fighting to keep players. The player and the club both probably already accept that with the buy out clause in place, he will eventually leave. Only a question of when. I doubt the players are unhappy about it. More likely, they know and accept what is going on as necessary politics for the club. All of them are of Basque origin and have Basque pride, after all.

Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but this says to me that the deal is almost done.

It ties in directly with whats been coming out in reports and articles lately. Herrera arrived in Manchester for a tour of the Carrington training ground after passing a medical in Spain. This has been reported by the clubs official photographer who we assume must know something or other. We've also had reports that the deal has hit a snag over paperwork or an "error" that the league is looking at. So basically Athletic's tweet today about rejecting Uniteds offer is pretty much confirming all the tweets and information we've heard:

Monday: Herrera submits €36m paperwork to the Spanish League
Tuesday: News breaks about him wanting to leave Bilbao and a deal is close
Wednesday: He arrives via private plane in London, then is moved onto Carrington for tour/photographs, presumably interviews too. News starts to filter through that the LFP have found errors in the paperwork and if all goes well, it'll be announced Friday
Thursday: Athletic Bilbao announce they rejected a bid of €36m for Herrera, but doesn't say when. We can only assume it's from Monday.

Now lets see here. Herrera apparently submits paperwork to the LFP on Monday which, if true, indicates that United have gone down the buyout clause route after having a bid rejected. There is no way on earth we'd bring a player over to England if we didn't have the present clubs permission. It just wouldn't happen, we'd be in so much trouble. Errors in the paperwork suggest getting around the tax issues, which is preventing us from closing the deal. Bilbao are most likely tweeting they rejected a bid so when the deal IS done they can say it wasn't our wish that he left and we did reject a bid, but we couldn't stop the clause from being activated... Or maybe i'm just being too optimistic about the whole thing?
I gotta agree with you. This sounds like a likely timeline. Now it's just a question of paperwork and taxes. I hope there are no glitches there.
 
Who cares? They rejected it so it didn't work but if you didn't make the bid then you wouldn't be doing your job properly. The fact they are laughing is totally irrelevant to the business involved in conducting the transfer.
They do not negotiate with teams. Their stance is pay the clause or nothing.
 
I'm one of those who never believes a deal is done until it has been officially announced, with a picture of the player holding up his new Man Utd jersey.

Having said that, if we have indeed went so far down the road with Herrera, AB's position now is just posturing. If we use Javi Martinez's transfer to FC Bayern as some sort of case study, release clause in Spain is treated as a player breaching his contract unilaterally. It is not an amount by which the club has no right to turn down. The player has to buy out his own contract (which co-incides with reports of Herrera submitting the money on his own). Once the contract has been bought out AB will no longer have any rights on the player.

tldr - AB can reject as much as they want, as long as Herrera buys out his contract as agreed with the minimum release clause, it means moot.
 
I would have choose the first one too, but none of them are "stupid".
The first one is more interesting because it can spare you a lot of time but also allowed you to keep a good and respectful relationship with the other part.

So, you go down the buy-out route and get the player, costing more money in taxes etc. Then the other party come out and say they would of just accepted the bid had you made it. Your telling me thats not dumb?
 
Why? The players they have are youth players or from other smaller Basque clubs. It's commendable if anything.
Those players would have realization somewhere else in this case. Imagine if you are a talented youngster that presumably yes you have been given chance to play in La Liga for Bilbao, but as soon as some other club come knocking you will know that they won't sell. It happened with Martinez now with Herrera and probably to Muniain.

Or either way the players will try to have a release clause as small as possible in order to get a chance to continue with their careers elsewhere...
 
How so? It's not like a normal company rejecting job applications based on provenience. It's a football club, they chose which players they want to represent them.

I'm not saying I agree with the EU, but the law applies whatever the business. It's discriminatory under EU law I would have thought.
 
Well this one got weird since I last checked in last night...

This has to be the first time a club has started trolling over a transfer. I'm really starting to feel for woody. He just can't catch a break!
 
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