they're definitely taking the piss. talking about how they're trending in Manchester, adding Liverpool people as twitter favourites. If that's not pisstaking then what is?
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
- Thread starter pocco
- Start date
- Status
Why you acting so hysterical then if you understand that an attempt of negotiation had to be tried?
ah cock, not Ballague. Deals off lads.
High end tax rate in Spain is 44%
How ever Basque players have tax relief...
I don't know what the complete figure is, how ever if we go through the legal buy out method the eventually cost can be several million more than the 36 million fee due to taxes.
Aren't they treating him as a product now. It's all a game to them. Surely he should just feck them over and do this, no?
Not really that complicated, is it? By increasing the effective price of the player they decrease the chance of it being bought. There's also the elusive (and probably not that important to them) issue of more tax income to their region.
Making it has hard as possible for an unwanted deal to proceed is pretty self-explanatory. Even if they are aware that they won't be able to prevent the transfer it's logical that they will make it as hard as possible to the buyer. It also makes less likely that buying clubs want to go through this hassle very often, thus limiting the appeal of their players.
I assumed it would go into the state purse?
Moyes out!
This close. This fecking close.
Someone take a mental note never to buy anyone off Bilbao again.
Someone take a mental note never to buy anyone off Bilbao again.
With a stunts like these I think players that sign for Bilbao will have second thoughts signing a contract for more than 3 years...
Well, there is no negotiating. Pay the release clause or feck off. lol.
1) To put things in perspective, they have a Basque only policy. This means, even if they have money, it is very hard for them to find players of equal quality who are of Basque origin and who also want to join Bilbao.
2) If they really wanted to keep Herrera, the buy out clause would have been much higher, rather than an achievable 36M Euros.
3) They have an SOP of buy out clause or don't bother.
4) They need to appease their fans by showing that they are fighting to keep their player. If the players leave, no one will criticize the club. Politics.
So they're difficult to deal with, yes. But hard to blame them for what they're doing.
I thought it was basically, Moyes wanted more time to personally scout the player. It was Woodward who decided ad hoc to go all in for Herrera at the last minute. A strategy which obviously failed spectacularly. Not sure how much of that is true, I guess.
But I don't blame Woodward for the current fiasco though. The deal isn't dead yet and everything that is happening seems to be pointing toward a SOP for going through the buy out clause. Nothing to panic here so far. Just hope they don't screw up the taxes part.
Athletic, like a lot of Spanish clubs, have Government affiliations don't they?
Not the Bosman ruling, that's for out of contract player. It's the Webster ruling that allows a player to buy himself out after three years that can be relevant.
In reality the top clubs have agreed among themselves not to use Webster transfers and if CAS were brought in to arbitrate on the fee (as they would be) it would probably use the Liga release clause fee as a guideline.
Summer of 2016.
Why? The players they have are youth players or from other smaller Basque clubs. It's commendable if anything.
United is not the unprofessional club here.
Yep - i hope a bunch of their players reject a new contract in light of how difficult it is to leave that dump.
How generous of you. The twitter is saying that we probably can't sign him so this is the last straw. If the facebook confirms it, then I am with you too.
Indeed. It does seem a bit short sighted of Bilbao. All very well doing a bit of chest-thumping to prove to the world how incredibly hard it is to sign your players but they have to accept that at least some of their most talented footballers don't fancy ending their careers at the club.
You have to ask with all this twitter nonsense from bilbao, why now? why today? have they been given some news about the situation they don't like? if it was in response to the media why didn't they do this yesterday? why did the wait?
I'm being serious.Come on
I think Herrera should be a last player we ever bought from them.
Its ridiculous, landing on the Moon is easier than making deals with them.
Its ridiculous, landing on the Moon is easier than making deals with them.
None of them are stupid options,
He is doing it, that's why they are doing all that, because there is enough time to complete the deal and they can't do anything about it, except being a pain in the ass.
well it not really, bibao have a very limited amount of players they can bring in becuase they only sign players from thier region.
so they do everything they can to hold on to thier best layers as long as possible, dragging thier feet dosnt just mean they might keep one of thier best player, but it puts offer other big clubs coming to trying to sign thier players in the future.
they obviously are hoping that clubs will think it isnt worth dealing with them, and leave them alone.
Wherever it goes through (I have no idea), it's still more money to the region, even if an indirect diluted fraction. That was a point in jest though, seriously doubt that would be a factor either way. Obviously they just want to make the deal less likely.
Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but this says to me that the deal is almost done.
It ties in directly with whats been coming out in reports and articles lately. Herrera arrived in Manchester for a tour of the Carrington training ground after passing a medical in Spain. This has been reported by the clubs official photographer who we assume must know something or other. We've also had reports that the deal has hit a snag over paperwork or an "error" that the league is looking at. So basically Athletic's tweet today about rejecting Uniteds offer is pretty much confirming all the tweets and information we've heard:
Monday: Herrera submits €36m paperwork to the Spanish League
Tuesday: News breaks about him wanting to leave Bilbao and a deal is close
Wednesday: He arrives via private plane in London, then is moved onto Carrington for tour/photographs, presumably interviews too. News starts to filter through that the LFP have found errors in the paperwork and if all goes well, it'll be announced Friday
Thursday: Athletic Bilbao announce they rejected a bid of €36m for Herrera, but doesn't say when. We can only assume it's from Monday.
Now lets see here. Herrera apparently submits paperwork to the LFP on Monday which, if true, indicates that United have gone down the buyout clause route after having a bid rejected. There is no way on earth we'd bring a player over to England if we didn't have the present clubs permission. It just wouldn't happen, we'd be in so much trouble. Errors in the paperwork suggest getting around the tax issues, which is preventing us from closing the deal. Bilbao are most likely tweeting they rejected a bid so when the deal IS done they can say it wasn't our wish that he left and we did reject a bid, but we couldn't stop the clause from being activated... Or maybe i'm just being too optimistic about the whole thing?
It ties in directly with whats been coming out in reports and articles lately. Herrera arrived in Manchester for a tour of the Carrington training ground after passing a medical in Spain. This has been reported by the clubs official photographer who we assume must know something or other. We've also had reports that the deal has hit a snag over paperwork or an "error" that the league is looking at. So basically Athletic's tweet today about rejecting Uniteds offer is pretty much confirming all the tweets and information we've heard:
Monday: Herrera submits €36m paperwork to the Spanish League
Tuesday: News breaks about him wanting to leave Bilbao and a deal is close
Wednesday: He arrives via private plane in London, then is moved onto Carrington for tour/photographs, presumably interviews too. News starts to filter through that the LFP have found errors in the paperwork and if all goes well, it'll be announced Friday
Thursday: Athletic Bilbao announce they rejected a bid of €36m for Herrera, but doesn't say when. We can only assume it's from Monday.
Now lets see here. Herrera apparently submits paperwork to the LFP on Monday which, if true, indicates that United have gone down the buyout clause route after having a bid rejected. There is no way on earth we'd bring a player over to England if we didn't have the present clubs permission. It just wouldn't happen, we'd be in so much trouble. Errors in the paperwork suggest getting around the tax issues, which is preventing us from closing the deal. Bilbao are most likely tweeting they rejected a bid so when the deal IS done they can say it wasn't our wish that he left and we did reject a bid, but we couldn't stop the clause from being activated... Or maybe i'm just being too optimistic about the whole thing?
why?
Probably because the deal is now so close. Politics.
Good question.
I would speculate that they're leaving the shit-stirring as late as possible to try and drag thihngs on as close as possible to the July 1st price hike. But then why today and not tomorrow?
Its so freaking funny . Atletico wumming us
. Atletico wumming usIt's hardly professional though is it. And clubs moan about players on Twitter....
The bid was purely symbolic, not necessary.
They're pretty much making fun or our attempted bid right now.
Bayern didn't pay income tax on the Martinez transfer and someone said only one club has had to pay the income tax on a tranfer in last 10 years.I think it is extremely unlikely we will have pay the tax.
Madrid?Its so freaking funny
Is there a minimum age you have to be to use it? 28 or so (may be mistaken).
Anyway, clubs doesn't ever use Bosman ruling. Similar to player swapping the clubs, it never happens in practice.
Yeah, he'll be 26/27 at that time, so it's quite important for him to get the move right now...
Funny, but unprofessional in the extreme from whoever is running that Bilbao twitter handle.
- Status