Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

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Fabregas is right now the better player without a doubt. Hopefully Ander can turn this around during his contract. He is younger and could be here for a longer time for the same fee.
 
Possibly no announcement from #mufc tonight re Herrera. But you never know probably just when I sit down to watch France.
 
Shark said:
I'd be more worried than some of the midfielders in our first team squad than Nick Powell, who is still very young.
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true. Im just worried that young english players that have always got a chance at United slowly might be given less and less time to prove themselves because of what city psg madrid and chelsea are doing to the game. if we are going to compete with them in the market, i hope english talents dont fall by the wayside as a consequence. carrick and fletcher are no more first choice and shouldnt expect to be given their age and their performances lately, but young players at least should have hope of getting a few games. I dont see Zaha and Powell getting a look in if we buy foreign players to get back into the CL as soon as possible.
 
Shark said:
I'd be more worried than some of the midfielders in our first team squad than Nick Powell, who is still very young.
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They need to get over it. Good competition for places (which there has been in every other position), which is what they should expect at a top club. If they can't keep up, they can watch from the sidelines or leave.
 
Plugsy said:
There might not be a prohibition but practically you want anything that may impact on the share price to be given to the market at a time when they an digest it, not react immediately. As markets often react badly immediately, as they don't like change.
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As I said, it is customary to do things after the closing bell, but an announcement like the Herrera signing can be made at any time, whether the NYSE is open or closed. Significant material activity, like a change in senior management, needs to be announced immediately.

Berbaclass said:
Excuse me if I'm being stupid here but would it not be defined as an acquisition?
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No.
 
Impressed by his tackling stats. He had a similar number of tackles in the 12/13 season, 115 total tackles in 12/13, 103 in 13/14. Though balls and Key Passes look good. Whether LvG will allow him to take as many shots at United will remain to be seen.

But whoever was the numpty that said he'd be a squad player...

Carrick:
1st = 9
2nd = 5
3rd = 0

Herrera
1st = 10
2nd = 3
3rd = 3

Cleverley
1st = 1
2nd = 7
3rd = 9

Fellaini
1st = 3
2nd = 5
3rd = 7

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Infra-red said:
As I said, it is customary to do things after the closing bell, but an announcement like the Herrera signing can be made at any time, whether the NYSE is open or closed. Significant material activity, like a change in senior management, needs to be announced immediately.



No.
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The point I was making is that it impacts upon these announcements, whether by proscription or custom. @LonelyFire was suggesting it had nothing to do with it. But it clearly is a consideration to sync it with out of hours trading even if it's not specifically prohibited.
 
RedSky said:
Impressed by his tackling stats. He had a similar number of tackles in the 12/13 season, 115 total tackles in 12/13, 103 in 13/14. Though balls and Key Passes look good. Whether LvG will allow him to take as many shots at United will remain to be seen.

But whoever was the numpty that said he'd be a squad player...

Carrick:
1st = 9
2nd = 5
3rd = 0

Herrera
1st = 10
2nd = 3
3rd = 3

Cleverley
1st = 1
2nd = 7
3rd = 9

Fellaini
1st = 3
2nd = 5
3rd = 7

Herrera_comparison.jpg
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disposessed by opponent?
 
shivab said:
disposessed by opponent?
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Tackled by an opponent? Unless you're asking why it's so high, and I'd imagine because Ander actually takes players on, and plays a little higher up the field.
 
vi1lain said:
think it's more likely to impact Cleverley & Anderson than Powell
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Atleast those two are at the fringes. I dont think anyones place in the starting 11 is guarenteed - not carrick and not fletcher. but it doesnt seem he will even get a chance this season either. as someone suggested, probably needs to go on loan. only reason i brought it up is because i expected him to be in a herrera sort of mould, a no. 8.
 
I don't think there's much point in comparing stats with our midfielders last season. Honestly believe that a huge handful of midfielders would show our midfielders up in stats.
 
Kazi said:
I don't think there's much point in comparing stats with our midfielders last season. Honestly believe that a huge handful of midfielders would show our midfielders up in stats.
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If they weren't limited by the tactics and moyes, we would be seeing a different picture.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Tackled by an opponent? Unless you're asking why it's so high, and I'd imagine because Ander actually takes players on, and plays a little higher up the field.
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ah i see...i got confused why lost posession and dispossed were separate..but obv they should be..my bad..and i figured that would be the reason. he plays in a more advanced position. more of his passes must be forward as well, therefore a poorer passing % to a lot of other players hes being compared to.
 
Plugsy said:
The point I was making is that it impacts upon these announcements, whether by proscription or custom. @LonelyFire was suggesting it had nothing to do with it. But it clearly is a consideration to sync it with out of hours trading even if it's not specifically prohibited.
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When I said nothing to.do with it I meant we don't need too. People assume it stops us from announcing - it doesn't.
 
Plugsy said:
Ah okay. I'd be suspicious that such things are actually recorded
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Eh? Stats are taken from Whoscored, but I made them more accurate by taking the totals for each player, dividing them by their total minutes in their League and then multiplying by 90 to give an average stat per game.

The stats compare well to players like Vidal, Matuidi, Pjanic etc.
 
Orc said:
Agreed. Don't think Carrick is mobile and dynamic enough to be an everyday starter if we want to challenge for the title. If I'm a City or Chelsea supporter or manager and see a midfield with Mata, Januzaj, Carrick, Kagawa, and Herrera as well as a defensive unit including an 18 year old LB and CB's who have barley played together I'd be extremely confident.

Sides like that who have a ton of pace, technique, and power will run over that midfield.
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The thing I always like to ask united fans, we have heard many say on here, you do not need 11 world class players, which is true, but? do we want Valencia's youngs nani's fellaini's cleverly's starting in our first 11? or? do we want players who are not only better than what we have got, but are game changers for the team.

Because good to average players can only get you so far. That's like saying, we do not need a world class striker goalkeeper defender in our team, do we want to be the best and win a champions league or 2 in the future? Or do we want to be an also ran? Like arsenal. I want united to reach the heights of 94 99 08, not where we were between 2009 - 2013, where we did enough to compete and hope we win a few league titles, with very laboured football with average players. I want united going into big gamee looking to strike fear into our rivals, with the players we have got
 
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