Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

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All the major outlets in Spain and England have said this is a done deal. What can be more concrete?

The only thing left is us completing the deal. You seem to be under the impression that all the outlets are rehashing each other's news inspite of various posters correcting you.
 
I reckon he'll be criticised a fair bit in the beginning from those who haven't seen much of him because they'll be expecting the typical diminutive Spanish playmaker, but he should fit into van Gaal's system very, very well. He should win people over quickly with his attitude and energy anyway.
I'd probably agree with this. He's a different player to Carrick, but like Carrick he's quite unspectacular and might go unnoticed at times whilst still enabling us to play better. I definitely think our fans will enjoy his mobility, energy and the fact that he isn't afraid to get forward when necessary and play the risky pass. I think he will give us more balance overall and having watched pretty much every game he played in this season I'm quite excited but I also hope expectations aren't too high to begin with.
 
Hang on, I haven't criticized anyone for anything? Is this like 'admitting I'm wrong' for saying that several outlets are reporting off the original article? Thus nothing more concrete yet?

Anyway, he'll be a fantastic signing - hope we get something a bit more concrete today!
Its a moot point though because until its on manutd.com that is all you get. So if you're posting in the transfer forum, the most you will ever get, varying degrees of speculation. When it becomes concrete and confirmed it'll be moved to the football forum.
 
If Ander really paid to come to us it shows his good character as well as what a poor character Woodward is. Sad to see the days are gone where we act properly. Herrera must already feel not 100% wanted here.
 

This was suggested last year as well. It is part of the reason I felt so sorry for the lad when the deal didn't go through as it seemed like he really wanted the move and we baulked at increasing the offer by £4m.
 
I'm excited not just because I think he's a decent player, but also because he sounds like a nice guy. They're important to have in a team, and great for morale.

I do think that United need another midfielder, and one of the world class variety, if we want to get back to the level we were at before. But I wouldn't mind if Herrera was our only signing in midfield this summer and van Gaal focuses on other areas now, like our defense. Let's not go for the full overhaul in one go. Let's go for one player at a time, see if they settle in, and then build on that in January/next summer.
 
All the major outlets in Spain and England have said this is a done deal. What can be more concrete?

The only thing left is us completing the deal. You seem to be under the impression that all the outlets are rehashing each other's news inspite of various posters correcting you.
the only thing i would say on this, is when martinez move to bayern happened, it was reported deal was done, but it then took 2 months of legal wrangling and another 10 mil on top of the buyout clause to make it go through, because bilbao are that difficult to deal with.

i hope this isnt the case as i really want us to sign herrera, and all the signs point to it going through, but you just never know with bilbao.
 
If Ander really paid to come to us it shows his good character as well as what a poor character Woodward is. Sad to see the days are gone where we act properly. Herrera must already feel not 100% wanted here.
Fabregas wavered money to help move from arsenal to Barcelona.
 
If Ander really paid to come to us it shows his good character as well as what a poor character Woodward is. Sad to see the days are gone where we act properly. Herrera must already feel not 100% wanted here.

A lot of players do this when their asking price is quite high. He won't feel unwanted in any way - we're paying €34 million for him already!
 
If Ander really paid to come to us it shows his good character as well as what a poor character Woodward is. Sad to see the days are gone where we act properly. Herrera must already feel not 100% wanted here.

:lol:
 
Weren't they saying he's only going to be on €3m/yr? He's giving up more than a year's wages?

If I was a betting man, I'd say that the money he's "paying back" is going to be over the length of his contract, not right away.
 
If I was a betting man, I'd say that the money he's "paying back" is going to be over the length of his contract, not right away.

That's what I assumed as well, but even so, that would be 25% of the money he'd make over the course of his contract.
 
That's what I assumed as well, but even so, that would be 25% of the money he'd make over the course of his contract.

You're right, it does sounds like a lot. Maybe it's image rights/sponsorships or bonuses that are being reduced to cover the costs instead?
 
A bit of discrepancy in the Spanish press as to whether he will be presented today or tomorrow.
The caf might break if this drags on much longer!
 
Friday?!?!

Oh feck off this is worse than Van Gaal's unveiling. My cock is out, don't keep me hanging.
 
Friday! But that's days away - how will we cope? How long will this thread get?

Sounds like Shaw's coming straight to Manchester then :devil:

On the "paying to come" thing. Last summer we had the same rumour. United were willing to offer a fee + add-ons deal to Athletic (with bonuses for things like appearances, cups we win, if he becomes a full international etc). When Athletic wouldn't deal, Ander is supposed to have said he wanted United to give Athletic the cash and he'd take the gamble on being worth the bonuses.
 
So Herrera paying part of the fee using his own money owed on his contract. Something like 4 mil according EL Correo.

why he has to pay from his own pocket? is it because we doesn't want to pay the full amount of his release clause or something else?

anyway that shows what a great character he is and he really want to play for Manchester United.
 
why he has to pay from his own pocket? is it because we doesn't want to pay the full amount of his release clause or something else?

anyway that shows what a great character he is and he really want to play for Manchester United.
Or if true what a shower of cheap cnuts we are
 
why he has to pay from his own pocket? is it because we doesn't want to pay the full amount of his release clause or something else?

anyway that shows what a great character he is and he really want to play for Manchester United.

Mostly to avoid tax issues if the whole amount is paid.
 
If Ander really paid to come to us it shows his good character as well as what a poor character Woodward is. Sad to see the days are gone where we act properly. Herrera must already feel not 100% wanted here.

Do you even know the context behind this?
 
Or if true what a shower of cheap cnuts we are
was thinking that at first but to be fair if we only pay 24 million pounds that is still a big transfer move for an uncapped but talented spanish midfielder. still, if we really want him then we should not make him pay for himself.

Mostly to avoid tax issues if the whole amount is paid.
oh, that's why. thanks for the info.
 
Just to be tedious on the release clause thing. There is only one case of a Spanish club (or player) having to pay tax on the deal. It is very difficult to get clear case law on the subject because the actual forced release clause mechanism is almost never used - as it can be troublesome for both the buyer and the seller.

The reason there is ambiguity is because the law itself is ambiguous. I'll leave this in Spanish because the specific interpretation of the words is critical.
El art.2.2 del Libro V dice: “La inscripción de un jugador profesional a favor de una Sociedad Anónima Deportiva o Club será cancelada por la rescisión unilateral del contrato por parte del jugador profesional. En este caso, y si estuviera previsto tal desestimiento con cláusula indemnizatoria en el contrato que dio lugar a la inscripción, se procederá a su cancelación, previo depósito en la LNFP del importe previsto en la indemnización”.

What that appears to say (and why you need specialist lawyers) is that a player can unilaterally cancel his contract. However, it then says that when his old club receives the prescribed compensation his registration can be transferred to his new club. It does not say explicitly that the player must hand over the money himself. Because of this vagueness, lawyers can step in and earn a healthy fee at this point, and then the buying club can hand over the cash on the player's behalf, without the player ever possessing it himself.

The Spanish LFP agreed during the Bayern/Martinez case that the clause should be interpreted as a release clause as described by FIFA.
If a professional is required to pay compensation, the professional and his new club shall be jointly and severally liable for its payment. The amount may be stipulated in the contract or agreed between the parties.

Which again is interpreted as meaning the club can pay the money without the player touching it.

Any lawyers/tax advisors on the board will know this is the contract law equivalent of a minefield for the club/player and a goldmine for the lawyers. As I say, actual case law (as in cases that have gone into tax arbitration or into court) is basically non-existent. So any club using it will be very wary and will probably put an insurance policy in place if the amounts involved are large.

Here endeth the ramble.
 
All this nonsense about us letting him pay out the remainder of his clause being unfair etc, isn't that what Javi Martinez did to move to Bayern? Something they do to avoid taxes or some such. @jojojo probably knows.
 
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