Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

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Rozay said:
I made a thread on the topic (of the ethics of Bilbao's player recruitment policy) in the football forum a while back actually, but most people seemed to be of the view that I was talking rubbish and there was nothing wrong with it.
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There's nothing unethical about it. It's probably illegal, which doesn't make it unethical either.

The extension of free movement to club football and condemning any sort of discrimination when hiring football players is a bit ridiculous if you ask me. Bottom line is any club signs the players their managers wish to sign and there's very often discrimination involved in that. Bilbao just make it official.

Having Basque players is an integral part of their history. World's gone mental if that is unethical. Should they be accused of ageism as well for focusing on youth products?
 
antohan said:
There's nothing unethical about it. It's probably illegal, which doesn't make it unethical either.

The extension of free movement to club football and condemning any sort of discrimination when hiring football players is a bit ridiculous if you ask me. Bottom line is any club signs the players their managers wish to sign and there's very often discrimination involved in that. Bilbao just make it official.

Having Basque players is an integral part of their history. World's gone mental if that is unethical. Should they be accused of ageism as well for focusing on youth products?
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Exactly. Next step is people complaining that football clubs are based around people aged 18-40 neglecting kid below 18 and people over 40. The obsession with being politically correct is staggering.
 
Rozay said:
I made a thread on the topic (of the ethics of Bilbao's player recruitment policy) in the football forum a while back actually, but most people seemed to be of the view that I was talking rubbish and there was nothing wrong with it.
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You should draw some parallels to Chivas Guadalajara and Chivas USA. The one in Mexico for years refused to sign anyone but Mexicans as public policy until they signed a Mexican-American born in the US, only because his parents were both Mexican.

Chivas USA is another story all together, being that they are in the US and not Mexico and still discriminate. Interesting read below.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/2600?cc=5901
 
B20 said:
Moyes obviously doesn't do release clause buyouts....
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He should have read the Thiago thread for clarification of them. It was re- explained on every page. Poor from Moyes. Fergie used to read the Caf.
 
forevrared said:
You should draw some parallels to Chivas Guadalajara and Chivas USA. The one in Mexico for years refused to sign anyone but Mexicans as public policy until they signed a Mexican-American born in the US, only because his parents were both Mexican.

Chivas USA is another story all together, being that they are in the US and not Mexico and still discriminate. Interesting read below.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/2600?cc=5901
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Aren't they practically the Chivas Guadalajara reserves anyway?
 
Sandikan said:
Our team shape looks pretty settled now.

Where would people see Herrera actually fitting in?

As a 3 with Fellaini and Carrick, or as a 2 with Carrick, with Fellaini playing the squad player role?
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sorry but that shoulnd't be a problem at all. Carrick is 32 and Fellaini is just Fellaini. Getting Herrera will either mean 3 years to bed in or he will walk into the team meaning hes better than Fellaini.
 
Sunny Jim said:
sorry but that shoulnd't be a problem at all. Carrick is 32 and Fellaini is just Fellaini. Getting Herrera will either mean 3 years to bed in or he will walk into the team meaning hes better than Fellaini.
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Yep, the only way signing Fellaini is bad for us is if it stops us signing a better player (of which there are quite a few). We should be trying to get as much competition as we can in cm. For example, look at the competion in our defence (where Evans isn't getting a game) or our strikers (Hernandez on the bench). We can definitely sign one more cm, maybe two if we get rid of the dead weight that is Anderson.
 
sullydnl said:
Yep, the only way signing Fellaini is bad for us is if it stops us signing a better player (of which there are quite a few). We should be trying to get as much competition as we can in cm. For example, look at the competion in our defence (where Evans isn't getting a game) or our strikers (Hernandez on the bench). We can definitely sign one more cm, maybe two if we get rid of the dead weight that is Anderson.
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yep, coulnd't agree more.
 
Earthquake said:
Just thinking about it, don't they have a bunch of Americans in their squad?
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Wiki says that there are 4 players contracted that aren't American. 4 Mexicans on loan as well.

They're not a separate club like Red Bulls New York and Salzburg. Chivas USA was founded by the owner of Chivas as an expansion to the MLS. The Red Bull teams are purchased by a guy who then changes their names. There are a bunch of them. Red Bull is famous because of great marketing and the clubs with the name are just another step in that campaign. The Chivas USA and the Red Bull Clubs share the theme of expanding a brand and have the same "owner" but the two Chivas clubs are much more closely connected. As close as two teams in different nations can be.

But that's enough of thread derailing.
 
It's not a Mexican/American thing as much as a loose 'Latinos Only' policy. I count 4 of the 19 Americans on their first team roster that aren't Latino.

The article I posted earlier details the ownership instructing coaches to look into the family background of youth players before signing them in order to 'get back to their Mexican roots' or something along those lines. But yes, probably a discussion for another thread.
 
Does anyone follow him regularly? Can he be a Fabregas/Ozil type playmaker?

I can really see Moyes grabbing him in January. The current trend of managers out there is to buy a zillion midfielders.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Does anyone follow him regularly? Can he be a Fabregas/Ozil type playmaker?

I can really see Moyes grabbing him in January. The current trend of managers out there is to buy a zillion midfielders.
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A.K.A Spurs Chelsea and Arsenal. They're all being super greedy with their midfielders right now.
 
You could make a song for Ander Herrera from that Bruno Mars song 'Locked out of Heaven' ... that's all I have.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Does anyone follow him regularly? Can he be a Fabregas/Ozil type playmaker?

I can really see Moyes grabbing him in January. The current trend of managers out there is to buy a zillion midfielders.
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Not really. More a Fabregas-lite who can be more effective as part of a defensive unit, which would be a good fit if we want better playmaking from midfield. He is not some sort of second coming who will turn us around overnight, but I struggle to come up with someone of similar characteristics and potential who would be available and is keen on a move here.

Unless our scouts can come up with a better alternative I reckon we should bite the bullet and pay the currently somewhat over-the-odds release clause.

Red Shorts said:
A.K.A Spurs Chelsea and Arsenal. They're all being super greedy with their midfielders right now.
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I sense a hint of jealousy there ;)
 
For that price though...surely we could push a Modric bid at that level. Alonso will be just coming back, probably reducing his playing time etc?
 
Herrara didn't really have very many assists last year in La Liga....Very few goals too.....Maybe they were using him more as a deeper playmaker as he had a higher tackle rate than Yaya Toure last season
 
So, he'd be like a more aggressive, talented version of Carrick?
 
He played as a CM last season, but usually he's been an AM behind the striker like he's playing this season again. He can create openings and he can score goals, he needs to be more consistant. He's a much worse Fabregas with a bit of height
 
Ekeke said:
He played as a CM last season, but usually he's been an AM behind the striker like he's playing this season again. He can create openings and he can score goals, he needs to be more consistant. He's a much worse Fabregas with a bit of height
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How much worse? Anyone sign now surely need to at least have the potential to be better than anything we have at the moment? We don't need more okay/decent players in the squad.
 
sullydnl said:
How much worse? Anyone sign now surely need to at least have the potential to be better than anything we have at the moment? We don't need more okay/decent players in the squad.
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Well obviously a lot worse because Fabregas is the best or one of the best in his position. Ander has talent and is miles better than the likes of Anderson. He's better than Cleverley, not as good as Kagawa was in the hole for Dortmund
 
Ekeke said:
Well obviously a lot worse because Fabregas is the best or one of the best in his position. Ander has talent and is miles better than the likes of Anderson. He's better than Cleverley, not as good as Kagawa was in the hole for Dortmund
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If I remember right Brwned said he could be better than Carrick and FCBarca said he was around Arteta's level. Between the three of ye it sounds like Herrera would be a good fit for us but wouldn't make a dramatic difference on his own. Also sounds like he's a bit overpriced.
 
sullydnl said:
If I remember right Brwned said he could be better than Carrick and FCBarca said he was around Arteta's level. Between the three of ye it sounds like Herrera would be a good fit for us but wouldn't make a dramatic difference on his own. Also sounds like he's a bit overpriced.
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Ander has potential but he's definitely not better than Carrick right now, isnt that what you were asking about?
 
Ringo 07 said:
Herrara didn't really have very many assists last year in La Liga....Very few goals too.....Maybe they were using him more as a deeper playmaker as he had a higher tackle rate than Yaya Toure last season
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We've been through this before. He is the sort that assists the assister. Scholes performed various roles over his career, but the Scholes version we are looking for and need (dictating from deep) also had very few assists. It's not goals we are looking for either but a platform for a frontline which has goals in it, if only we can make it work fluidly. On the other hand he would be more adept at pressing, tackling and other defensive duties than Scholes was, which also is what we should look for in a Carrick partner.

I'm not a fan of hyperbole when it comes to targets though. Rather than compare with a world class player and say "he could be like him" I prefer looking at what he already does better than a more "normal" player. In that sense -and I know it's an underwhelming comparison which will be met with derision- he is an improved Arteta. That's a player Moyes got a lot out of, yet one he also sold for a fraction of Herrera's release clause so I can see why he baulks and thinks he is more a 20-25M player. He is right.

Bottomline is, our midfield is crying out for a player in that mould, he is available, he is willing, has room for development and could be a key player for a decade. I don't give a toss about dishing out 5-10M over fair valuation all that considered.
 
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