That's what United said about Herrera when they responded to all this. He was valued at 20 and wouldn't be a starter for 18 months.
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That's what United said about Herrera when they responded to all this. He was valued at 20 and wouldn't be a starter for 18 months.
And who exactly would keep him out of the team? Ando? Cleverley? the 40 year old player? Fellaini? Ander would have injected some serious creativity in our CM. No one can do that from our current pool of players at least not at the level of the likes of Ander.
But we paid £28m for Fellaini despite valueing him below his release clause.
Nothing the club has done here makes any sense at all.
Either you want the player or you don't. We seem to be the only club who don't understand the actually quite simple concept of buying things.
If I wanted a new television but it was £100 more than I wanted to pay, I'd either pay the extra £100 or go and get a different one. Perhaps I mght think about what I wanted to do for a short while. I wouldn't stand there all day waving my wallet at it in the hope the price would magically change, and then get kicked out by security at closing time.
If I did do this it wouldn't be the market's fault for valueing thngs differently to me. It'd be my fault for being a fecking time wasting moron.
TV's have price tags on them, players don't.
Come to Asia and haggle in a traditional market.
Now that Herrera knows we are interested he may pressure to leave. The club may start thinking about how to spend the 20 million. In the winter or next summer, we may see United get him and for less than his release clause.
Come to Asia and haggle in a traditional market.
Now that Herrera knows we are interested he may pressure to leave. The club may start thinking about how to spend the 20 million. In the winter or next summer, we may see United get him and for less than his release clause.
I suppose the way the club look at it we have a PS3 which is fine - there is a PS4 available but we don't fancy paying the full price
its silly in my view and if they see Herrera as someone who could really improve us they should just pay the money
if we do decide to buy him in January or next Summer I'd expect Bilbao to still expect the release fee
for those who watched him quite a bit, what kind of a midfielder he is?? who can you guys likened him with for a start?
Players with release clauses have a price tag on them. And it's common knowledge how Bilbao dig their heels in (because of their Basque policy making it harder for them to replace players they sell)
I think of him as similar, but nowhere near as good of course, to Fabregas. In that he's a CM but he can play behind the striker and make good runs. And at least at Spain under 21 level in the tournament in 2011 he looked a goal threat. In reality he's mostly the typical Spanish midfielder that people like to talk about. A good passer with good technique
so the Spanish Leon Brittan?
I can't say I really remembered him from our games with Bilbao - Ballague felt that 20 million was right for him - he said that he expected him to develop into a regular in the Spain team in two years time
Says you. I haggled the price of my TV down to 620 euros from 700.
It's great that our football club is willing to charge us around a tenner just for a burger, chips and drink, yet is terrified to spend top money for the top players.
He's about 6 foot and one of the goals he scored in that tournament was a header. Almost scored once or twice more with headers too. So its not Britton I think of. Being a good header of the ball is pretty much something all Bilbao players have in common. Was the same with Martinez
If we genuinely think he's worth substantially less than his release clause then it's probably time to look at other players. From what I've seen Bilbao don't tend to get dragged into negotiating very much.
I'm amazed that the club thought they could actually go to a club like Athletic and think they could pay far less than the players release clause. Are they genuinely clueless or something?
Are we going to go back in for Hererra in Jan? Mark Ogden is reporting that this morning...
If we get we'd get told the exact same thing, pay the release clause, or feck right off.
Bilbao players have price tags, and technically you can haggle for anything. The dfference is as far as I can see, other clubs seem to just decde whether they can afford and want a particular player or not, and the odd 2-3m doesn't make all that much difference to them. In the words of the Bayern President "we might discuss £5m over a player for five minutes, it's not important".
With United, they decide they want a player, but don't want to pay for them, so spend all summer fecking around not doing anything, and then end up ether not gettng the player or having to cave in late in the day and pay even more over than they would have needed to initially.. If Herrera is out of price range, fine, go and find someone else. United seem to live in this fantasy world where they can invent their own market value for players and expect the rest of the world to for some reason cave in to it. I can't recall this working in United's favour a sngle time, apart from maybe avoiding signing Samir Nasri.
Yeah, I sort of agree, though I think "fantasy world" is a bit strong. We just seem to feel really strongly about not overpaying for players. But the market has changed so much that it becomes unrealistic to expect to that many really good players when you want to spend very little (in relative terms) on them. I have no difficulty with us valuing Herrera at whatever we do and deciding that we won't pay more, but trying to negotiate with Bilbao, who have a limited number of players they can ever sign due to the Basque factor, just seems quite naive.
Shocking panic buy he would have been. It was clearly not planned and if it was, it would be even.more condemning of our transfer strategy.
Hope we do not go for him in january or next summer.
Hope we do not go for him in january or next summer.
The fact we are the only club on earth who thinks the current market value is akin to overpaying for players is exactly why we're living in a fantasy world.
I said this last year, but we're like a guy in a bakery refusing to buy any bread because we perceive it to be 5p too much. Everyone else just comes in and buys the bread, or doesn't buy it and tries somewhere else. But not us, no, we're Manchester United. The bread should be forced to lower itself to the price we have decided is acceptable, and we're willing to starve ourselves to death if it doesn't. Eventually there is only one, slightly crappy slice of bread left, so the bakery put the price up by another 10p because we've pissed them off by standng around all day not buying it...
The other problem is that we seem reluctant to identify a midfielder who isn't well known yet, ie playing for a small team or in a smaller league and bringing them in at a cheaper fee, but we don't seem to be realistic in what we're willing to pay for established players. Either need to take a chance on someone who could step up or need to spend a bit more for someone who's shown they can do it.
Let it go guys!
How many times have you watched him?
Kevin is yet to watch us, let alone Bilbao
Even if Kevin is going off Fifa, FM, Whoscored, Transfermarkt and others......that's an awful lot of scouts to write off, since none of them rated him as highly as United were willing to pay. Surely theres gotta be something in that.
Though I guess you could say the same about the Carrick price tag, which was also too much, but he's done his bit and much more. But any other team probably got him for less somehow, unless it was Madrid.
Though I guess you could say the same about the Carrick price tag, which was also too much, but he's done his bit and much more. But any other team probably got him for less somehow, unless it was Madrid.
I don't think anyone has said that he's worth +-£31m. I'm a known admirer of his and I don't think he's worth that, but if you take the situation as a whole - Bilboa's buying policy, our need/weakness in that area, plus the current market conditions - our valuation of him just isn't realistic.
£20-£25m is probably what his "footballing" ability is worth. But factoring in the other variables, I'd have said, to our team, he'd have been worth spending that money on. I'm sure he'd have become something special here.
Look what we ended up paying for Fellaini - after we started with a opening bid of £28m for both Fellaini and Baines.
If we want players, we have to pay for them. Just because we value a player at a certain price, it does not mean that his club are obliged to value him at the same price. We notoriously undervalue players we want to buy.
Have you never haggled for anything?
I'd love to sell stuff to some of you Caftards.
No point in haggling, really. Bilbao aren't going to sell for less than the release clause. Either pay it or move in.
It was a general point based on his crap TV analogy.
Well thats fine if you are as shit at haggling as United appear to be.
I have to question whether we actually had any true intention of getting him after reading this quote.
Either that or we are completely deluded when it comes to buying players in the transfer window.
United didn't think he was worth 30m. You know better. Just deal with it and move on.
Exactly. We valued him differently to Bilbao and they didn't want to negotiate and that's it. I also find it quite comical that despite most people not having seen much of Herrera last season he was all of a sudden the new Martinez and a "must buy no matter the price" player.
I think it's okay that we have our own evaluation of what we think a player is worth and not just pay what ever another club wants from us, we are not Real Madrid after all.
I've rubbished all the people saying 'smokescreen' and 'omg I'm so embarrassed' all summer too, but I just don't understand how we ever thought a £23m bid was going to be accepted. I can't see a situation where Moyes or Woodward or whoever is dealing with our transfers thought, this is an adequate bid to get the player from Athletic Club.
As if we'd want any of your shit, Nev.
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