Oliver folded under the pressure tonight and should probably be hidden away for a while, but that doesn't really excuse Herrera's stupidity.
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Pretty much this. The idea poor little Ander has been picked on by the meany ref and nasty diving Chelsea players is a bit daft. This has been coming ever since... Well, ever since he last got sent off. Him, Baily and Rojo all have the slightly headless tendency to look like they're only one poor decision away from a sending off at any given moment. Needs to smarten up a bit.
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I thought he was reckless and let the team down. After the first yellow, which on fairness was harsh, he gave the ref an absolute bollocking. Then 3 seconds after Smalling and Jones are warned for persistent fouls on Hazard he proceeds to take him down. Just stupid, yes the ref could and probably should have given him a warning but I'm more annoyed at Herrera than Oliver. He shouldn't be giving the ref this decision to make so early in a vital game.
In every match he looks like he's going to get a yellow card, whether that be for a stupid tackle or for mouthing off to the ref which he has taken to an awful lot this season. Don't want him becoming our Xhaka and ending up as just a hindrance.
This used to be contact sport. Laughable sending off and those were his only fouls in the game. For the second yellow he hardly touched Hazard. Don't care about the timing, plain and simple, he shouldn't pay the price of Jones previous 2 fouls on Hazard.
Only thing that I really blame him and is getting on my tits is his constant moaning at the refferes every feckin time he fouls someone or gets a yellow. He was yelling, screaming and ironically smiling after the first one in the 20th minute. I would understand him if it was now and then, but he does it every game. Won't help him during the game, nor in the future. It just adds to his already not so good reputation.
Only thing that I really blame him and is getting on my tits is his constant moaning at the refferes every feckin time he fouls someone or gets a yellow. He was yelling, screaming and ironically smiling after the first one in the 20th minute. I would understand him if it was now and then, but he does it every game. Won't help him during the game, nor in the future. It just adds to his already not so good reputation.
Don't get me wrong, two absolute jokes of decisions, but he is the kind of player stupid enough to keep putting the referee in a position to make them.
This is like 2+2=5.
Herrera doesn't get sent off for us very often precisely because he's clever enough to tread water when he's on a yellow.
The second yellow card he received today was never a foul. Its actually debatable whether or not he touches Hazard. Hazard just sees the leg coming and buys the foul from the referee. If Herrera thought Michael Oliver was going to lose all sense he probably would've just run Hazard down the line. It was a nothing tackle.
Wait, our next two league games?! For fecks sakes
Shouldn't have been sent off, but was silly of him to foul straight after the ref had a word with Smalling about the fouls.
Everybody is so adamant that the first is a yellow, but seriously, whilst it might be a foul, wheres he meant to go? He basically just stood still. And the pundits are all saying, he didnt try to get out the way...
Second was silly, but again, never a yellow card. Inconsistency by the ref especially as we saw worse challenges let off.
It wasnt an intentional foul though, was it? Again, people are saying he cant foul cos Smalling / Jones got a talking to, but its not a hack or anything. So the players are just meant to stop trying to tackle Hazard?
Second was silly, but again, never a yellow card. Inconsistency by the ref especially as we saw worse challenges let off.
It wasnt an intentional foul though, was it? Again, people are saying he cant foul cos Smalling / Jones got a talking to, but its not a hack or anything. So the players are just meant to stop trying to tackle Hazard?
Not sure if serious? That was his second red card of the season and we've 11 league games left (well, 9 for him)
Yeah, attacking players get a lot of protection nowadays. Were we just meant to stand back and admire Hazard's brilliance tonight? It's ridiculous.
It was stupid. Simple as that! Lazy too. Get around your man if you want to try and tackle him. Don't just hang out a leg. He was asking for trouble, especially given the situation.
Whats funny is, that his two red cards this season have included:
1) Him slipping over
2) Him standing still.
1) Him slipping over
2) Him standing still.
First an blatant yellow, second blatant stupidity. No sympathy for him. We could really have done without that tonight.
And I can understand if this bothers him greatly, a lot of "strong" players can get away with murder the whole first half of a game week after week, but Ander usually gets caught out a couple of times and gets booked. Like he needed to kill someone once to make the refs think in the future "yeah he's fouling but at least is not a criminal foul, rather not disturb him with a yellow"
Oliver is a twat but Herrera has to be smarter than that because it was such a pointless tackle.
Herrera wins the ball often and presses well but the role he occupies relies not only on aggression but on intelligence and I feel he lacks it for that particular position.
Herrera wins the ball often and presses well but the role he occupies relies not only on aggression but on intelligence and I feel he lacks it for that particular position.
Is two red cards a lot? Especially as he got the first for slipping.
He's been at United since 2014. He has made a truck load of tackles in that time. How many times has he received red cards?
People are acting like he stamped on Gareth Southgate. He got sent off for two, very borderline yellows. Most of the time when he's on a yellow Herrera is clever enough to do just enough to escape a second yellow. The second yellow he received today was softer than old cheese, he shouldn't have been sent off for it either.
To read some on here you'd think Ander Herrera tackled like Vinny Jones or Neil Ruddock.
I've watched both incidents repeatedly.
The first, in my opinion, is not even a foul. Hazard runs into him, then falls to the ground.
The second is a late and unnecessary challenge, which given his previous yellow and the talk Oliver had with the captain 1" before, he should have been smart enough to not go into. It was definitely a foul and potentially a yellow, if you take everything else into account.
So yeah, I do partly blame him for getting sent off. Though that first was not a yellow.
The first, in my opinion, is not even a foul. Hazard runs into him, then falls to the ground.
The second is a late and unnecessary challenge, which given his previous yellow and the talk Oliver had with the captain 1" before, he should have been smart enough to not go into. It was definitely a foul and potentially a yellow, if you take everything else into account.
So yeah, I do partly blame him for getting sent off. Though that first was not a yellow.
Needs to get smarter with his tackling and with his fouls. He makes it too easy for refs to penalise him.
That is his game, high pressing and good reading of the game but always on a border of a foul. It annoys the hell out of the opposition, nobody likes to play against him and that's why I love him. He is also a big game player and I am not in a group of people who thinks that his position needs an upgrade.
He tries to obstruct opposition play in any possible way and while doing it he also gets away with lots of things. But he moans all the time whether he is right (like today) or wrong. And either way, it doesn't help him. It can only backfire on him.
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I've mentioned before but he often gives away numerous niggling fouls - it was a matter of time before he saw red. He's got to be smarter in these situations - for starters there was absolutely no need to get touch-tight let alone stick a leg out in that area of the pitch.
The first is never a yellow card, but once you're on a yellow card, you don't give the referee any reason to make a decision, the challenge on Hazard was stupid, he was near the half way line, silly. He does have that tendency to be rash, could have received a red card in the EFL cup final too, he's an experienced player, he should be doing better in such situations, so, it's disappointing.
this exactly! Herrera is great at not getting caught but it's ironic (although not undeserved) that the times he has been sent off were both poor decisions from the ref.
I don't think anyone hand on heart thinks he is better than Kante but he is a good player. Problem for him is his reputation is now growing as a sneaky dirty player so am concerned he will have to really curb his pressing game as he gives away a lot of niggly fouls.
I read somewhere that persistent fouling by a team on a player can be cautioned (similar to Herrera on Hazard today after the warning), but the sources were things like referee advice forums from USA. I didn't know if that's a cultural interpretation of the rules or if it is something that happens here too. Anyone know? Judging from the comments most people would seem to say 'no' but I'm more really asking anyone that's knowledgeable about the finer details of the rules?
Extremely stupid actions from one of our best players.
Feel sorry for Herrera. The team were doing such a good tactical job and the ref ruined everything by a stupid decision. If I didn't hear wrong - Oliver sent off players in two previous FA-Cup's - Arsenal and one more team (can't remember because of the frustration) - seems like the ref likes the attention.
Was too eager today and gave the referee a decision to make. I think he didn't help himself after the first yellow when he gave Oliver a piece of his mind, he was a marked man at that point and I feared the worse.
Is the second not a professional foul? Hazard has got away from him and he's not really going for the ball. Personally it's those tackles I think should be carded, with more leniency to the mistimed ones.
First one wasn't a foul. He just stood still. What was he supposed to do, move out of the way and lay out a red carpet for the little princess?
Second one is not a yellow, not in a million years. Unless you're a brain dead coward and your name is Oliver.
Second one is not a yellow, not in a million years. Unless you're a brain dead coward and your name is Oliver.
I think both were fouls, neither a yellow card. Clearly the team was instructed to shut Hazard down. Oliver didn't like it. What Oliver wants Oliver gets as the game revolves around him. I wish referee's were more like robots and less like adults with the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old.
It wasn't the smartest move to foul, but it is hard to play aggressive against the top players. The margin for error is zero. I'd say 25% Herrera's fault an 75% Oliver's. In the end it was Pogba's terrible defending that actually cost us the game with the Kante goal. After the red card we had 9 players giving their all defensively, and then Pogba.
I think the first yellow card was very soft. Thought the referee would keep that in mind.
The second yellow card was fair play. Persistent fouling of the same player, referee warning the captain and informing him of action if the patterned fouling continues. That's fair game.
I don't think his first yellow card was a particularly cynical foul -- he's not a silly player, if he was hoping to foul/infringe on Hazard, he isn't stupid enough to do it a few yards outside the box. He held his shoulder out to protect himself as anyone would if someone's about to run into them. Oliver botched that call.
The second yellow card was fair play. Persistent fouling of the same player, referee warning the captain and informing him of action if the patterned fouling continues. That's fair game.
I don't think his first yellow card was a particularly cynical foul -- he's not a silly player, if he was hoping to foul/infringe on Hazard, he isn't stupid enough to do it a few yards outside the box. He held his shoulder out to protect himself as anyone would if someone's about to run into them. Oliver botched that call.
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Agree with this, for the most part.
I feel for him, Hazard is going to go down 9/10 times looking for the most of the contact. Will be a big loss in the league while he is absent.
Spot on.
Still love the man, he has passion and a clear love for this club, something we re crying out for in our players of late.
Could stay for his whole career and become a legend, hope he does.
Could stay for his whole career and become a legend, hope he does.
I felt the same way. His efforts are laudable, but he needs to calm down. He needs to continue going hard, but retain his equilibrium. In fairness though, the agility and ball control of Hazard was driving everyone mad.
This was my sentiment exactly. Once you're on one, you play it safe. Herrera clearly saw the ref talk to smalling. Smalling (who I thought otherwise had a great game) should have voiced it out. But when on one, reel it back. Stupid and strange. But anyone saying the first was a foul at all- please.
He's had an excellent season but he was stupid to go in so rash when on a yellow, right in front of that prick of a ref. There's absolutely no way a Chelsea player would have seen red last night for two identical fouls, but such is life. He needs to calm the feck down sometimes. I love his tenacity, drive and hunger but he can often be reckless with his tackling. Given that he was already on a yellow, it was utter insanity to commit that foul right under Oliver's nose, considering Jones had just been bollocked for the exact same thing literally a second earlier.
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Still can't understand what he was meant to do for his first yellow. Get out of the way so that Hazard can run towards the goal? Herrera didn't even change his direction or swung his elbow, he just stood there and Hazard collided with him.
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